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They aren't.so are they spatially connected or not?
Seperate space times they are.
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They aren't.so are they spatially connected or not?
The bane of immeas and inf speedDimensional travel
it is Dimensional Travel and Time TravelThe bane of immeas and inf speed
That doesn’t give them infinite speed. They need to use another axis to do that.Whis and to an extend Vados literally fly to other universe, they also can fly to Zeno palace with obviously outside of 12 universes
i just listing feats broThat doesn’t give them infinite speed. They need to use another axis to do that.
Travelling between separated space times via pure speed was never accepted as immeasurable or infinite speed. But immeasurable speed standards is eh.So, it isn't viable for a speed rating, then?
Null brough up the possibility of immeasurable thanks to angels feats.wait, why immeasurable speed here, it was not the question of this thread???
What do you mean? Gas is explicitly slower than Instant Transmission going by the latest chapter.That's not a contradiction. You can take time to travel an infinite distance, it's still considered infinite speed. And that's not true lmao, granolah and gas have multiple feats of outpacing instant transmission. If anything, infinite speed is terrifyingly consistent.
Isn’t that because he is not experienced with it?What do you mean? Gas is explicitly slower than Instant Transmission going by the latest chapter.
The raw translations from the daizenshuu are the correct ones. The traditional translations we usually see are rather dated (it’s the same translation that said the solar system is a galactic nebula).Can somebody explain all of the current arguments for why you think that the Dragon Ball universe is infinite in size in an easy to understand manner please? I can ask some staff members to help evaluate it afterwards.
What does that stand for?Can I get a TL;DR?
Um, ok...?.I think it'll be better to make a better, more organized CRT with all the proofs there instead of scrambled in the thread itself.
Finite travel speed but infinite combat speed. Like whis.What do you mean? Gas is explicitly slower than Instant Transmission going by the latest chapter.
Over 6 statements saying so....Can somebody explain all of the current arguments for why you think that the Dragon Ball universe is infinite in size in an easy to understand manner please? I can ask some staff members to help evaluate it afterwards.
But isn’t their flight speed directly proportional to their combat speed and reactions? That’s the conclusion we came to when someone tried to downgrade the verse by separating flight from combat (which is bad because they’re literally always flying during combat).Finite travel speed but infinite combat speed. Like whis.
Not happening chief, movement speed and combat speed go hand in hand as per the above CRT. Level of ki mastery and the amount of ki you have directly correlates to how hard you can hit and how fast you can move around, combat-wise and movement wise.Finite travel speed but infinite combat speed. Like whis.
No. Combat speed scales to their flight speed. But flight speed does not scale to combat speed. Best example of this is namek saga where it took many FTL fighters a long time to travel the circumference of namek. Another good example is whis who's fastest ever speed he flew is calculated at 500 quadrillion c, but SSG Goku is casually 196 quadrillion C combat speed surpassing whis the next arc.But isn’t their flight speed directly proportional to their combat speed and reactions? That’s the conclusion we came to when someone tried to downgrade the verse by separating flight from combat (which is bad because they’re literally always flying during combat).
Plot convenience much? Fights would be over instantly if they were flying at FTL speeds non stop. They were actively trying to keep a low profile in Namek the whole ******* time. This is just straight up a dumb argument to not scale flight speed to their combat speed. DB characters also have a history of keeping up with each others' ki blasts in the flight department too, and can even do combat with each other mid-flight if the Tournament of Power is anything to go by. What, you wanna downgrade Piccolo's movement speed from Relativistic to some other unknown feat because his moon beam was an attack and not a movement-based thing?No. Combat speed scales to their flight speed. But flight speed does not scale to combat speed. Best example of this is namek saga where it took many FTL fighters a long time to travel the circumference of namek.
You do realize that all of this turns to infinite if the whole "infinite universe" thing is accepted, right? Whis won't have a 500 quadrillion C movement speed feat anymore and neither will SSG Goku's speed be 196 quadrillion C, it all jumps to infinite. Unless you wanna suggest less than FTL movement speed with Infinite combat speed and reactions, which is beyond ******* ludicrous.Another good example is whis who's fastest ever speed he flew is calculated at 500 quadrillion c, but SSG Goku is casually 196 quadrillion C combat speed surpassing whis the next arc.
Instant Transmition is not actually instant. It takes time between disappearing and reappearing. Outpacing IT just means you move faster than this little timeframe between the two things.That's not a contradiction. You can take time to travel an infinite distance, it's still considered infinite speed. And that's not true lmao, granolah and gas have multiple feats of outpacing instant transmission. If anything, infinite speed is terrifyingly consistent.
Instant Transmition is not actually instant. It takes time between disappearing and reappearing. Outpacing IT just means you move faster than this little timeframe between the two things.
"Whis is holding back".They probably are since beerus' planet is implied to be in a different dimension. Or you know, whis is holding back.
Yeah the proof is the numerous statements of it being infinite. It would look much more better in a CRT format but I'm too lazy to start one.
Lmao.Time to calculate the speed of Instant Transmission then UwU, oh wait, that'd be infinite too if this size CRT gets a go
This is giving me war flashbacks of combat vs flight speed.How do the characters ever tag each other in midair in this case if their flight is like molasses compared to their combat speeds?
To be fair, every infinite and immeasurable speed user lack consistency, even FTL to MFTL speed character suffering the same thingI personally disagree with infinite speed, especially when they completely lack any consistency . I believe whis travelling the universe is a PIS.
The Tournament of Power but 0 seconds pass before they’re fighting at Infinite speed
Nah they're actually moving at 89 m/s at most. I did the calc myself using cinematic timing.
Flight speed in DB is an L and never consistent.But isn’t their flight speed directly proportional to their combat speed and reactions? That’s the conclusion we came to when someone tried to downgrade the verse by separating flight from combat (which is bad because they’re literally always flying during combat).