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They aren't.
Seperate space times they are.
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Question about dragon ball universe size
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Seperate space times they are.
Nullflowerblush
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That you can just fly through?
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Dimensional travel 
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The bane of immeas and inf speedDimensional travel
Vietthai96
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it is Dimensional Travel and Time Travel
Nullflowerblush
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So, it isn't viable for a speed rating, then?
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That doesn’t give them infinite speed. They need to use another axis to do that.
Vietthai96
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i just listing feats bro
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You incorrectly answered a question. I just corrected you bro.
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Travelling between separated space times via pure speed was never accepted as immeasurable or infinite speed. But immeasurable speed standards is eh.
Vietthai96
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wait, why immeasurable speed here, it was not the question of this thread???
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Null brough up the possibility of immeasurable thanks to angels feats.
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Can somebody explain all of the current arguments for why you think that the Dragon Ball universe is infinite in size in an easy to understand manner please? I can ask some staff members to help evaluate it afterwards.
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What do you mean? Gas is explicitly slower than Instant Transmission going by the latest chapter.
speedster352
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Isn’t that because he is not experienced with it?
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Can I get a TL;DR?
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The raw translations from the daizenshuu are the correct ones. The traditional translations we usually see are rather dated (it’s the same translation that said the solar system is a galactic nebula).
The raws say that stars/galaxies are endlessly expanding but the entire space of the living universe as a whole is infinite.
Also, as a side note, Beerus’s planet is farther distance than the Kaioshin realm and afterlife, which are outside the universe.
speedster352
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What does that stand for?
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Um, ok...?.
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Finite travel speed but infinite combat speed. Like whis.
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Over 6 statements saying so....
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But isn’t their flight speed directly proportional to their combat speed and reactions? That’s the conclusion we came to when someone tried to downgrade the verse by separating flight from combat (which is bad because they’re literally always flying during combat).
Generally it wouldn’t make sense for their flight to be infinitely slower than their punches, kicks, and ki blasts for some reason.
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Not happening chief, movement speed and combat speed go hand in hand as per the above CRT. Level of ki mastery and the amount of ki you have directly correlates to how hard you can hit and how fast you can move around, combat-wise and movement wise.
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No. Combat speed scales to their flight speed. But flight speed does not scale to combat speed. Best example of this is namek saga where it took many FTL fighters a long time to travel the circumference of namek. Another good example is whis who's fastest ever speed he flew is calculated at 500 quadrillion c, but SSG Goku is casually 196 quadrillion C combat speed surpassing whis the next arc.
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How do the characters ever tag each other in midair in this case if their flight is like molasses compared to their combat speeds?
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Plot convenience much? Fights would be over instantly if they were flying at FTL speeds non stop. They were actively trying to keep a low profile in Namek the whole ******* time. This is just straight up a dumb argument to not scale flight speed to their combat speed. DB characters also have a history of keeping up with each others' ki blasts in the flight department too, and can even do combat with each other mid-flight if the Tournament of Power is anything to go by. What, you wanna downgrade Piccolo's movement speed from Relativistic to some other unknown feat because his moon beam was an attack and not a movement-based thing?
This is straight up like saying why people outspeeding bullets on their own two legs can't cover dozen-long km distance journeys within a few seconds (Which happens a lot in video games where people casually outpace bullets but aren't shown travelling cross-country distances in seconds). In b4 someone brings up Snake Way.
You do realize that all of this turns to infinite if the whole "infinite universe" thing is accepted, right? Whis won't have a 500 quadrillion C movement speed feat anymore and neither will SSG Goku's speed be 196 quadrillion C, it all jumps to infinite. Unless you wanna suggest less than FTL movement speed with Infinite combat speed and reactions, which is beyond ******* ludicrous.
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GodlyCharmander
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Instant Transmition is not actually instant. It takes time between disappearing and reappearing. Outpacing IT just means you move faster than this little timeframe between the two things.
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GodlyCharmander
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GodlyCharmander
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Lmao.
But for real, there is multiple examples of Goku going pop, something happening in-between, then Goku reappearing.
Outpacing IT is nothing, really, lmao
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I personally disagree with infinite speed, especially when they completely lack any consistency . I believe whis travelling the universe is a PIS.
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The Tournament of Power but 0 seconds pass before they’re fighting at Infinite speed
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Vietthai96
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To be fair, every infinite and immeasurable speed user lack consistency, even FTL to MFTL speed character suffering the same thing
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Flight speed in DB is an L and never consistent.
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