in all context it suggests a very large, but not explicitly infinite, number of galaxies.
oh cool, so you actually have no idea what I or anyone else is even debating here.
It is shown in the anime that they are on the edge of a galaxy when the radar shows and in the anime we saw Goku using teleportation to visualize where Beerus and Whis were, we see him leaving this galaxy
Lol, it's already a mess
least controversial DB CRT be like:
Yes and? Jaco saying there are that many galaxies doesn't mean Bulma is not aware of it. Bulma asks for Jaco a way to go there which jaco gets angry because of it. there being unthinkable/outrageous amount of galaxy just makes the distance being insanely huge either way. Bulma knows the distance is huge and knows they are in the edge.
He uses tondemonai in the anime as well.
Could you tag the members who agreed? Maybe they thought this would only be for the manga, like you thought.
she doesn't actually know its true scope, otherwise Jaco, a literal galactic patrolman who flies on an MFTL+ ship all the time, wouldn't flip out like this at her statement. Jaco states there's an unthinkable amount of galaxies, that further implies that Bulma not only can't be talking about the entire universe but also the fact that she does NOT know its true scope either. there are 3 distinct statements supporting this idea, one from the guidebooks and 2 from the actual source material.
This is because it is shown that the earth is in the edge of the galaxy and we saw Goku leaving that same galaxy with teleportation, in fact, this same one galaxy is shown in the middle of the Universe and not at the edge of it.
It hasn't occurred to you that the Galaxy that the Earth is a part of could be on the edge of the Universe? Also, again you're literally ignoring the words on the page. Why do you think Bulma says "I'm asking about the Universe, not the Galaxy!"
Bulma doesn't even know what she's talking about, we saw the radar showing her on the edge of a galaxy, that alone refutes any opinion she has.
for the sake of whatever god you pray to Luffy, please stop.....
Mftl+ yet It takes Jaco at least 50 minutes to reach to earth while being in the same galaxy. Jaco talks about how vast the galaxy is and that there are outrageous amount of them. Jaco talks about reaching the center of the universe like "insanely far, huge. it doesn't imply or anything like "Bulma isn't talking about the entire universe", Bulma does know the distance being extremely huge. which Bulma(anime) also responds with "I'm not saying we'll go with your ship, I'm asking you to bring me to the galactic patrol, someone might know how to go".
But this point is clearly related to my crt, the earth is not on the edge of the Universe, but on the edge of a galaxy.
outrageous/unthinkable, yeah, which comes after the fact that he calls Bulma's statement ridiculous, implying that she doesn't know the universe's true scope.
no, no. what implication is there that Bulma is talking about the entire universe here? seriously, what statement do you have that supports this assertion? Because i have at least 3 statements that disagree with this, whether implicitly or explicitly. the fact that Jaco tells her she has no idea how huge the universe is, and the fact that she doesn't even disagree with that, pretty much cements the fact that she is not only not a reliable source on the scope of the universe, but also implicitly suggests that she can ONLY be talking about her own limited understanding of the scope the universe at best.
not here she doesn't, as I said before, there are 3 good reasons to believe she doesnt, and no good reason to believe that she does. the only "argument" here is that Bulma is smart so therefore she must be right, when not only is that not always true, we pretty much have a statement in the source material that all but confirms that she's wrong here. there is NOTHING to argue here, unless your goal is to just stonewall and make the CRT 20 pages
but wait, didn't you argue them being the center? now they're on the edge?
Bulma doesn't say or imply it's so easy to go to the center, asks him if he knows there is a way. which Jaco replies with no one would know how to travel distances that far. no kind of implications that Bulma believes the universe is so small or anything.
Bulma literally says things like "not the center of the galaxy but the entire universe", why would she talk about a different type of universe.
Yeah.
My argument is against this part of the blog in the OP:
okay this is just silly. Bulma can NOT be talking about the whole macrocosm. she doesn't even know anything about the Afterlife or the Kaioshin realm or their scope.
which is no contradiction as I said.
She doesn't have to be referring to the Afterlife or the Kaioshin realm; just the world of the living where they're at. Since that's where the Super Dragon Balls are expected to be.
why'd you state universe 7 then? and besides, as I said many times, she doesn't know about the scope of the LW either. she's simply not a reliable source here, there are 3 statements that point to this conclusion, and none point to yours.
I was referring to the actual Universe part when I said Universe 7; the bit with the stars and planets and stuff. Apologies for any confusion.
Your reasoning for her to not know about it doesn't make sense (in case of jaco, didn't see the one from guidebook.). Jaco says nothing that implies it. Jaco's anger is based on how she expects someone to cross those extremely huge distances (which even jaco implies finite distances and galaxies.).
I don’t think they’re so stupid as to overlook a point that even a child wouldn’t fail to recognize. Most characters who are given infinite speed based on such arguments are extremely dubious anyway, and many obtain their rating by crossing dimensions
