Question about dragon ball universe size

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Bulma only mentioned being on the edge of the universe in the manga, a visual was not given

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Note Im saying this as Im speed reading through the entire manga (started about 20 to 30 minutes ago, am on U6 tourny)

 

[Orange]

Don't draw them at all /J

......
Good option.
I disagree with infinite sized Us/j

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

I only agree grudgingly on manga atm

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

first successful buff in a while?

Thanks to me.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

GT Buffs when?

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Aren’t the end points of Universes 6 and 7 visibly shown :V

Nah bro DBS is galaxy level since the universes are shown to only contain a galaxy.

 

[Orange]

I agree on both...or to be more precise, on all versions of DB.
The only two counter arguments are "It was stated to have an edge/center". And infinities can have edges and centers, so it doesn't work. And "We see it as finite" artist choice, unless someone here wants to say that the animators should draw infinite sized universes.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Don't draw them at all /J

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

There’s also Sorbet calculating the Frieza Force would be able to conquer 70% of the universe

 

[Orange]

There’s also Sorbet calculating the Frieza Force would be able to conquer 70% of the universe

Infinite speed ships

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

There’s also Sorbet calculating the Frieza Force would be able to conquer 70% of the universe

2 saying that the stars are infinitely expanding (3-A) and 2 calling space infinite (High 3-A)

Don't play dumb Mav

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

There’s also Sorbet calculating the Frieza Force would be able to conquer 70% of the universe

Heh, jokes aside, we consider the moon cell to be infinite despite sefar taking off with 90% of it's data. (And ignore two statements that just say that moon cell isn't infinite)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Heh, jokes aside, we consider the moon cell to be infinite despite sefar taking off with 90% of it's data. (And ignore two statements that just say that moon cell isn't infinite)

I don’t know what a Moon Cell is This is a Whataboutism

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

A moon cell? Perfect cell fused with a Moon?

 

[Vietthai96]

Moon Cells is belong to fate verse. Also fate have High 3-A earth's "surface"

 

[KLOL506]

Moon Cells is belong to fate verse. Also fate have High 3-A earth's "surface"

1-C you mean

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Yeah guys, a piece of cloth covering the earth's surface is high 3-A.
Regardless, this isn't a fate discussion thread.

 

[Vietthai96]

1-C you mean

Well earth surface mean its texture and layer, the outer layer is where human live, stated to be infinite in size.
1-C is from the Moon, the core of the Moon held Moon Cells, which is a supercomputer which some how even larger than Earth

 

[KLOL506]

Well earth surface mean its texture and layer, the outer layer is where human live, stated to be infinite in size.
1-C is from the Moon, the core of the Moon held Moon Cells, which is a supercomputer which some how even larger than Earth

Anyway, derailing now.

 

[Antvasima]

I found them.






As you can see there are 4 total statements. 2 saying that the stars are infinitely expanding (3-A) and 2 calling space infinite (High 3-A)

@AKM sama @Confluctor @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @SamanPatou @DemonGodMitchAubin @UchihaSlayer96 @Theglassman12 @LordGriffin1000 @Starter_Pack @Therefir @KLOL506 @Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer

What do you think about this? It seems to make sense to me.

 

[Elizhaa]

Honestly, I wouldn't be against High 3-A if those statements can be accepted as valid secondary sources, given that Daizenshuu's statements have been accepted on a case by case basis before.

 

[Antvasima]

It isn't just High 3-A statistics that may follow from this, it is mainly about infinite speed for certain characters.

 

[Orange]

Honestly, I wouldn't be against High 3-A if those statements can be accepted as valid secondary sources, given that Daizenshuu's statements have been accepted on a case by case basis before.

Quick question, would koyama's statements be accepted as valid ones?[for toie and non canon db]
And we generally do accept daizenshu [such as statements that supports higher ki= higher stats, ki control, and we even use one of it to support/validate vegeta' planet level rating]

 

[Orange]

It isn't just High 3-A statistics that may follow from this, it is mainly about infinite speed for certain characters.

Tbh, infinite speed should be dealt on it's own [since it's rather an eh topic]. We should mainly focus on the size and AP since they are not that controversial.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Tbh, infinite speed should be dealt on it's own [since it's rather an eh topic]. We should mainly focus on the size and AP since they are not that controversial.

I agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Orange]

So who will be responsible on making the thread? I can make one if no one is against that, unless someone is already on planing on it.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

So who will be responsible on making the thread? I can make one if no one is against that, unless someone is already on planing on it.

I was confident in taking my chances with infinitely big universe, but damn, infinite speed is a whole another can of worms. Unless we ignore all that later anti feats that show finite speeds i doubt it would come to pass.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

@AKM sama @Confluctor @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @SamanPatou @DemonGodMitchAubin @UchihaSlayer96 @Theglassman12 @LordGriffin1000 @Starter_Pack @Therefir @KLOL506 @Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer

What do you think about this? It seems to make sense to me.

I share similar thoughts to Elizhaa. If the statements are considered canon (which I believe they are), then this should be fine. The statements themselves seem rather direct to me.

 

[Orange]

I was confident in taking my chances with infinitely big universe, but damn, infinite speed is a whole another can of worms. Unless we ignore all that later anti feats that show finite speeds i doubt it would come to pass.

I agree , infinite speed deserves it's own thread and what not.

 

[Vietthai96]

The first thing we need is the cosmology itself and possibly a blog for it, if the infinite universe get accepted then we can talk all about speed later

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872806540162265139/885787770902159360/image0.png

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https://preview.redd.it/6p8wwuc9ql8...bp&s=e5b1265074012fa7b6f6b2e07453d1ef81c1a012

"A land of heavens that transcends dimensions"

"A supernatural realm ruled by the gods. Higher then the sky, it is a dimensionally transcedental heavenly country that cannot be percieved from human realm. From this land gods look down upon the entire world."

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111288220/7651657-6122831992-76515.png

It is truly another reality that isn't connected to ours except on the most metaphysical level.

It is an entirely seperate universe that encompasses another level of reality

Outerversal dragon ball lessgo.

 

[KLOL506]

I am of the same mindset as Elizhaa.

As for speed, I'm of the opinion that Beerus downscaling from Whis's universe-traversing feat would still be Infinite, since infinity divided is still infinity.

But Damage has a thread planned for Dragon Ball speed as a whole, so best to wait for that before we continue with infinite speed. For now, we should focus merely on the size.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Quick question, would koyama's statements be accepted as valid ones?[for toie and non canon db]
And we generally do accept daizenshu [such as statements that supports higher ki= higher stats, ki control, and we even use one of it to support/validate vegeta' planet level rating]

Don't take koyama, the broly wanker's, word seriously.

 

[Damage3245]

But Damage has a thread planned for Dragon Ball speed as a whole, so best to wait for that before we continue with infinite speed. For now, we should focus merely on the size.

I have two in mind for that, but one of those is no longer necessary since the shockwaves CRT was rejected for the DBS manga.

My other speed CRT likely won't affect this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

High Universal range, and High 3-A AP for SSG scaling I honestly do not mind. And traveling from King Kai's planet to Earth is simply Massively FTL+; but I actually realized traveling to other universes is via dimensional travel and not really a speed feat. And I already made comments saying I don't think High 3-A destruction feats are assumed Infinite attack speed for reasons why Low 2-C destruction feats aren't' Immeasurable attack speed feats.

But I'm also positive AKM Sama is most likely against all this; especially since one of the scans justifying High 3-A stuff is referencing the infamous "4 Galaxies as opposed to 4 quadrants" shenanigans.

 

[KLOL506]

but I actually realized traveling to other universes is via dimensional travel and not really a speed feat.

Something something people still take issue with 2-C Dragon Ball

And I already made comments saying I don't think High 3-A destruction feats are assumed Infinite attack speed for reasons why Low 2-C destruction feats aren't' Immeasurable attack speed feats.

Usually that'd be the case if there is no indication of dodging the attack or reacting to it. But that's different in the anime because Beerus visibly reacts to the Expansion Ball thingy which is far swifter than the shockwaves themselves.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

especially since one of the scans justifying High 3-A stuff is referencing the infamous "4 Galaxies as opposed to 4 quadrants" shenanigans.

This is actually incorrect. It wasn’t the source that was the problem, but the person who translated it. The original kanji (銀河 | Ginga) doesn’t differentiate "galaxy" and "galaxies". So in actuality it was originally written as "North, East, South, and West Galaxies".

The raws of daizanshuu 4 even call them directions as opposed to galaxy.

 

[KLOL506]

This is actually incorrect. It wasn’t the source that was the problem, but the person who translated it. The original kanji (銀河 | Ginga) doesn’t differentiate "galaxy" and "galaxies". So in actuality it was originally written as "North, East, South, and West Galaxies".

The raws of daizanshuu 4 even call them directions as opposed to galaxy.

Damn, so the whole 4 Galaxies thing was just a bunch of bullshit?