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With the number of times it has been trolled of, i say yes.
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Question about dragon ball universe size
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Yes. It was all just a slight mistranslation. It was translated by the same dude who mistranslated a notorious quote. When it said “a solar system within a galactic nebula” he translated it to “the solar system is a galactic nebula”. I also don’t ever recall him translating the Frieza and Guru section of the daizenshuu.
This was the whole reason I seeked out the original daizenshuu raws.
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HOT ******* DAMN.
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Holy ******* namek. Did we just make a historical breakthrough?
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Always has been.
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points a death beam
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2022 will be a great year for DB
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Tier 0 dragon ball when toei?
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Please no more derailment.
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I'm pretty sure that the anime feat [goku vs beerus] uses the ball explosion/light, rather than shockwaves. We will just gave to replace the mftl+ to infinite speed [if the universe is accepted as infinite].
And I am pretty sure whis can across between universes in stated time frame, thus making "dimensional travel" debunk....fall flat.
And I am pretty sure whis can across between universes in stated time frame, thus making "dimensional travel" debunk....fall flat.
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I would have thought our standards for infinite speed would be a bit higher for that.
Isn't it weird that for the entire rest of the series, the characters aren't travelling / fighting at infinite speed?
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I don't quite understand what are you saying, are you saying it's wierd that other characters don't fight at infinite speed?
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tbf, half of the infinite speed verse on our wiki never actually demonstrated the suppose infinite speed very good in term of visual. Even Immeasurable speed character also suffering the same problem, so i don't see the problem
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That's a problem for Infinite/Immeasurable speed as a whole, it breaks the narrative and the plot every time you try to depict it in a reasonable manner in any story. Not the verse's fault.
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Timeframe doesn't mean jackshit if you don't know the distance.
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Doesn't that just mean it's a bigger problem for half of the verses than no problem at all?
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I mean we do? We just calculate the size of the universes. [Which either will be mftl or infinite.] And aren't DB Us close to each other or something?
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The only time it doesn't destroy any sense of narrative is if it's extremely limited
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Oke, so if we see this as a problem, then should we remove infinite speed from all verse that not actually depict infinite speed visually???
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Can we save all of this for the speed thread please?
]. Now, imagine all the fights looking like that....no one would watch or read or even play it.
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Completely agree with Zamasu. Let's first discuss the cosmology. After that we can get into speed
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Sorry for derialing but... the visual dipiction of infinite or immeasurable speed does not at all affect the validity of the rating. That is as much of a fallacy as the area of effect fallacy.
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Meee
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Nvm.
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What?
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didn't whis ""dodge"" Gogeta's IT tho?
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I could work on a blog, btw.
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I agree with this.
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As GodlyCharmander said, IT is a joke and is not nearly as impressive as some people make it out to be.
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Not really, no. Unless you wanna make a CRT about Infinite/Immeasurable speed standards as a whole that is, I seriously doubt you'll find most of the verses with said ratings actually portraying Infinite/Immeasurable speed at a consistent basis simply because it breaks the plot at every whim.
Anyway, that's enough derailment. Let's get back to the topic at hand.
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But then you already know the distance, if it's infinite tho, timeframe goes to shit, infinity divided by infinity is still infinity.
We're not supposed to do cosmology stuff in this thread, just the size of the universe.
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Well, of we accept the universes as infinite, then whis would have to infinite speed, one were beerus scales to [the supressed one, I could be wrong] and the other only angels and up scales to.
While gods and below would scale to whis supressed feat or goku vs beerus feat, unless I'm wrong.
And I just forgot I was drailing, sorry.
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Everyone here pretty much agrees with infinite sized universes, we have Elizha, Uchiha slayer, DDM, Confluctor [I could be wrong] KLOL506, and you I think [I could be wrong]. And plus the support of the majority supporters of the verse
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Just to get this out, we are not about to follow some fan translation over Herms. I believe Herms had already clarified on the whole 4 galaxies thing and it was rather vague. According to him the raws in the manga can be translated as either "4 galaxies" or "4 areas/sections". Them being "directions" was never once confirmed by Herms. He has himself said that the statement above can be safely ignored because various other parts of Daizenshuu and other guidebooks and whatnot all outright say there are only 4 galaxies.
There is also a line in the daizenshuu that says "there is a ruling Kami for each galaxy", which suggests only 4 galaxies. But if we go with the "area" interpretation, it could make sense. But then even the old Broly movie says that Broly destroyed the South Galaxy and shows only 1 galaxy getting destroyed.
All these sources have been quite vague and contradictory in the past. Instead of cherry-picking one interpretation and trying to "explain" the vagueness in ways that seem far-fetched, it was decided to rule out these daizenshuu statements.
Moreover, there have been several statements in the daizenshuu where the space is called "endlessly expansive" or "infinitely expansive", which suggests it is like our own universe that keeps growing and not absolutely infinite in size. So there is discrepancy in those statements too.
The only concrete set of statements come from DBS where Jaco says that the universe contains a crazy/countless number of galaxies, and Bulma says that the universe has an edge and center, which also suggests it is like ours.
I think that should sufficiently answer the question.
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