Possible Julius Revision (Black Clover)

[FluffyCreatureZ]

There's not a single statement about it being a defensive version of it. That would've made no sense anyway considering Reinforcement Magic can be used non-offensively such as speed increase

Meanwhile...

That directly proves that mana skin is an amp on top of reinforcement magic. What now? We gonna claim that the f***ing wizard king can't use reinforcement magic?

 

[Alsotime]

There's not a single statement about it being a defensive version of it. That would've made no sense anyway considering Reinforcement Magic can be used non-offensively such as speed increase

Meanwhile...

I stand corrected

That directly proves that mana skin is an amp on top of reinforcement magic.

No it doesn’t, it just proves that mana skin is a type of reinforcement magic.

We gonna claim that the f***ing wizard king can't use reinforcement magic

It’s not that he can’t because he obviously has mana zone which is just an extended mana skin, it’s just that he doesn’t have any actually feats with it increasing his physicals enough for it to warrant him keeping his tier, the way his magic works specifically doesn’t actually work with a normal ap rating kind of like langris

 

[Epsilon_R]

It’s not that he can’t because he obviously has mana zone which is just an extended mana skin, it’s just that he doesn’t have any actually feats with it increasing his physicals enough for it to warrant him keeping his tier, the way his magic works specifically doesn’t actually work with a normal ap rating kind of like langris

There's no need for him have feats. Characters physically weaker than him use Reinforcement Magic. Julius also has more Magic Power and better control which means his Reinforcement Magic will automatically give a better increase than them, as well as better Reinforcement as a whole via Mana Zone. He obviously scales above them

 

[Epsilon_R]

I stand corrected

No it doesn’t, it just proves that mana skin is a type of reinforcement magic.

There's literally a character saying it's a polished and perfected version of Reinforcement Magic, yet you're still saying that?

In fact, this argument is pointless as it doesn't change the fact that Mana Zone>>Mana Skin>>Reinforcement Magic

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Can and has Julius used any AP based attack spells

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Can and has Julius used any AP based attack spells

No His magic negates durability, but a null type magic blast should have the same potency as his durability.

 

[Alsotime]

Can and has Julius used any AP based attack spells

Time Magic doesn’t have ap

 

[CloverDragon03]

Can and has Julius used any AP based attack spells

Any mage can shoot bullets of magic

 

[WrongIdea21]

Physical strength is often independent of magic power, why does it need to be physical strength for you? He said his power, that's pretty clear-cut.

Because Julius never shown tanked any single attack, and people here try to argue he have physical strength that equal or stronger than the captains wich is burden of proof. Like i said before being stronger in magic depend what type magic that he use, julius used Time magic which is have no AP, he's Fast, Skilled on combat with Manga Zone better than other but its doesn't mean he had durability above the captains.

Can and has Julius used any AP based attack spells

He never shown any Magic spell, he only used his time magic every single time.

Any mage can shoot bullets of magic

But he never shown to do that.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Because Julius never shown tanked any single attack, and people here try to argue he have physical strength that equal or stronger than the captains wich is burden of proof. Like i said before being stronger in magic depend what type magic that he use, julius used Time magic which is have no AP, he's Fast, Skilled on combat with Manga Zone better than other but its doesn't mean he had durability above the captains.


He never shown any Magic spell, he only used his time magic every single time.

But he never shown to do that.

Bruh, what you're saying is basically no different than saying "julius was never shown destroying a banana with time magic, therefore he can't destroy a banana with time magic". That's what power scaling exist for, or else everyone would be dependant of their own feats. Just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he can't do it, in this case, all these are feats that are done with a universal power system which julius is a master of basically everything in it, so it's easily assumed that he can do any of those things.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Bruh, what you're saying is basically no different than saying "julius was never shown destroying a banana with time magic, therefore he can't destroy a banana with time magic". That's what power scaling exist for, or else everyone would be dependant of their own feats. Just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he can't do it, in this case, all these are feats that are done with a universal power system which julius is a master of basically everything in it, so it's easily assumed that he can do any of those things

If he does why he doesn't have those magic bullet ability on his Profile? I've never seen that on the manga panel, y'all burden of proof it's the problem here.

 

[CloverDragon03]

But he never shown to do that.

Are you going to claim that the Wizard King can’t do something that any basic mage can’t do though?

 

[WrongIdea21]

Are you going to claim that the Wizard King can’t do something that any basic mage can’t do though?

Never shown on screen, we don't know how powerfull the basic magic that he can use, if you said that basic magic would hurt Patri that was exactly headcanon without a single evidence, why that magic basic doesn't written on his profile then? Because he never shown do that, isn't?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Has Julius used a single AP based attack that wasn't reliant on Time Hax?

 

[Nierre]

I don't believe so, nope.

 

[Mageman460]

Has Julius used a single AP based attack that wasn't reliant on Time Hax?

Yeah, at the end of chapter 143. He uses what appears to be a magic attack to obliterate Patry's attack

 

[WrongIdea21]

Has Julius used a single AP based attack that wasn't reliant on Time Hax?

Never was.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

If Julius has never used an AP based attack ever, then his AP should just be Unknown

Even if he should be able to use AP based attacks, if he never has, then we shouldn’t give him a solid tiering when it comes to AP

He is a primarily Hax based fighter

 

[Epsilon_R]

If Julius has never used an AP based attack ever, then his AP should just be Unknown

Even if he should be able to use AP based attacks, if he never has, then we shouldn’t give him a solid tiering when it comes to AP

He is a primarily Hax based fighter

Or you can just scale him to most captains since the manga puts him being physically as strong as them..

Unless you guys want to tell me Julius can't throw a punch

 

[WrongIdea21]

Or you can just scale him to most captains since the manga puts him being physically as strong as them..

He stronger than most captains doesn't make his AP scale to them. He Hax base fighter, simple. Doesn't have any AP doesn't implying you weaker than others.

Unless you guys want to tell me Julius can't throw a punch

he can, but where?

 

[WrongIdea21]

Since 3 of Staff members already accepted to remove his Rating to Unknown Rating, we should aply the change, and Close this.
It's useless to waste time on repeated arguments, if in the future someone can prove Julius had non hax magic attack, just make a CRT again.

 

[TrueKingOfHeroes]

I totally agree with this

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Or you can just scale him to most captains since the manga puts him being physically as strong as them..

Unless you guys want to tell me Julius can't throw a punch

Has he ever thrown a punch?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Never shown on screen, we don't know how powerfull the basic magic that he can use, if you said that basic magic would hurt Patri that was exactly headcanon without a single evidence, why that magic basic doesn't written on his profile then? Because he never shown do that, isn't?

There is no reason he wouldn't be able to, and we have evidence that standard magic bullets scale to the user's magic power. The Dark Disciple Sivoir is an example of this, as his regular magic bullets were doing a lot of damage to Post-Timeskip Leopold.

 

[WrongIdea21]

There is no reason he wouldn't be able to, and we have evidence that standard magic bullets scale to the user's magic power. The Dark Disciple Sivoir is an example of this, as his regular magic bullets were doing a lot of damage to Post-Timeskip Leopold.

Julius Doesn't. Why he should to used any base magic if his Time magic just too way Powerfull? If his magic power is so strong why then he never seen to used that, Even if it's just to show off to other people on screen?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

My stance is that if we never see Julius use AP based magic attacks or enhanced punches, and I mean never, then we can't reliably give his AP a rating

But that can be changed easily by someone saying he has one of those feats

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

My stance is that if we never see Julius use AP based magic attacks or enhanced punches, and I mean never, then we can't reliably give his AP a rating

But that can be changed easily by someone saying he has one of those feats

All mages can use magic blasts that don't have a element, julius never used doesn't mean he can't. But his AP is kind of redundant since he never needs to use it. Durability though is different.

 

[CloverDragon03]

All mages can use magic blasts that don't have a element, julius never used doesn't mean he can't. But his AP is kind of redundant since he never needs to use it. Durability though is different.

Even if he's never needed to use it, it doesn't change the fact that he can, and there's also the fact that Julius' sheer magic power was enough to make an Unsealed Patry nervous.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Even if he's never needed to use it, it doesn't change the fact that he can, and there's also the fact that Julius' sheer magic power was enough to make an Unsealed Patry nervous.

Yeah so julius should get both durability and AP, it's just his AP is redundant because his magic type is hax not AP.

 

[CloverDragon03]

It may be, but we have enough to give him an AP rating. Hence why I disagree with the OP

 

[Epsilon_R]

To make everyone happy

"Unknown, possibly 6-C"?

 

[CloverDragon03]

To make everyone happy

"Unknown, possibly 6-C"?

I'm fine with this as a compromise. However, this is just for AP. His durability should stay as it is.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm fine with this as a compromise. However, this is just for AP. His durability should stay as it is.

Oh his Durability is fine, my issue is that he doesn't have a single AP feat, it's like how people gave a tier to Susanoo Kakashi, despite the dude having 0 AP feats

 

[CloverDragon03]

Oh his Durability is fine, my issue is that he doesn't have a single AP feat, it's like how people gave a tier to Susanoo Kakashi, despite the dude having 0 AP feats

The thing I said about his magic power though makes me lean toward Epsilon's suggestion though.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

To make everyone happy

"Unknown, possibly 6-C"?

This is fine for AP.

 

[Epsilon_R]

This is fine for AP.

Yeah if anything, Dura should stay as it is

When are gonna make a BC match tho

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yeah if anything, Dura should stay as it is

When are gonna make a BC match tho

I'm thinking of a BC match right now.

 

[Mageman460]

My stance is that if we never see Julius use AP based magic attacks or enhanced punches, and I mean never, then we can't reliably give his AP a rating

But that can be changed easily by someone saying he has one of those feats

Yeah, at the end of chapter 143. He uses what appears to be a magic attack to obliterate Patry's attack

 

[WrongIdea21]

To make everyone happy

"Unknown, possibly 6-C"?

Why there any Possibly 6-C rating? Its doesn't makes any sense.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Why there any Possibly 6-C rating? Its doesn't makes any sense.

It's for AP because julius never uses AP.