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Its still something he can do
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But that's not something normally done in the story. Especially since it's only an event and there's no reason to scale them based on optional events
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Optional events are fully canon. Not gonna compare to other franchises rn but Silver and Giovanni’s relationship was only confirmed via event.
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Even if they are (which is false since the event is temporary meaning it's not a part of the standard story. It's not like doing an optional side quest), Ethan/Lyra still won't scale to Arceus via this event.
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Aight imma stop you right there. This is purely semantics rn because I don’t care about Ethan scaling to Arceus but temporary access 100% does not mean it’s non-canon and I have no idea where you got that from.
Like my man, you’re really arguing that something in the game—something in the files of the base game—is non-canon. Heck, our files even mention the Sinjoh Ruins event for Arceus, as well as the Darkrai event and the Shaymin event. The literal best you can say is that the Hall of Origin event is non-canon, which had legit merit, but then BDSP happened.
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I think we should ignore Gilad Hyperstar, he hasn't even finished reading the OP
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I ask what precedent are we working with regard to other RPGs and their random encounters and optional events.
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Every other JRPG would’ve had this go through ages ago, with random encounters and optional events being considered back when their profiles were created.
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Hey all, been a while since I’ve been on here but saw this and wanted to add a few of my 2 cents.
Yes this is true, they’re called the Masters 8 in the PWC. However…
Alain actually isn’t anime only, his existence in the games was referenced by Steven in ORAS as someone he fought who had a Black Charizard, and Alaina the only character in the franchise that Steven has met, fought against in battle, alongside and has gotten to know who has a Charizard, and the mega evolution that makes it a black one at that.
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Doesn't matter, Steven in ORAS won't scale to Gen 8 Alain, and this thread is for game profiles
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Actually provide a sustained response instead of just "doesn't matter, he still won't"
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Do we have an example to work with?
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I believe most Final Fantasy scaling comes from these types of fights. For one example, most FF1 characters appear to be scaled to 2-A off of Shinryuu. In FF1, Shinryu is in an optional dungeon which doesn’t appear in all versions of the game and is one of two possible bosses you could choose between to clear the dungeon.
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That is a very good example. Thank you. With this prescendent in mind, I'm fine with scaling Gen 7 and 8 to Gen 4. If anyone has any disagreements with the current prescendent, I recommend drafting a different thread to establish new scaling rules regarding RPGs.
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He knows the reason
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Thank you.
Can somebody write a tally regarding which staff members that have accepted what here please?
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It’s all of them. No staff are against this.
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The following seems fine if we're scaling the Post-Legendary encounter mandatory NPCs as comparable.
Without using the Anime or Masters:
Without using the Anime or Masters:
- Gen 1
- Champion Blue, Elite 4 Lance, and Alder stay at 6-C
- Gen 2
- Elite 4, Champion Lance, and become 6-B
- Red and Blue 5-B
- Gen 8
- Piers, Raihan, Chairman Rose, Leon, Hop, Peony, Champion tournament Trainers become 2-B likely 2-A
- Gen 3
- Elite 4, Wally, Wallace, and Steven become High 6-A or 5-B with ORAS
- Gen 5
- Zinnia, B/W N, Ghetsis and Cheren, B2/W2 Elite4, Champion Iris, Colress, Benga, Lysandre, AZ become "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A", 2-B likely 2-A in BW2
- Gen 6
- Elite 4, Diantha "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A"
- Gen 7
- Alola Elite Four, Title Defense Trainers become "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A"
- Gen 4
- Barry, Elite 4, Volkner, Cynthia become "At least 2-B, likely 2-A"
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Okay, that is good then. Which staff members have evaluated this thread?
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So, about this... Can somebody write a tally please?
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Shouldn't this also include Kukui? After all, he is the one who created the league, you fight him to become Alola's official first champion and he's one of the trainers you can fight where he fights for the title IIRC.
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Kukui is pretty much a Title Defense Trainer so yes
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Kukui defending kukui
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A tally for which staff members that think what would still be appreciated here.
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I'll take note later today.
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Probably, look at the dialogue to see if there's anything that implies he scales to the protagonist
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Kukui is fought after the Elite Four and he's a Title Defense Trainer so I don't see why he wouldn't
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That means he's stronger than the elite four, why would the E4 scale to UBs?
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They're fought after you fight Solgaleo/Lunala/Necrozma
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They also literally fight UBs in the Game while you fight Necrozma.
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And? Do they give the protagonist a challenge? Fighting someone doesn't mean you're on par with them, especially since the E4 members are defeated
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It's implied in every generation that they do. Why is Gen 7 any different?
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Oh yeah, Hala fights a Buzzwole alongside Tapu Koko iirc
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Scans?
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My dude, we accept that for every major battle in a game (Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Champion, evil team leaders, etc.), the opponent scales to the protagonist. That's quite literally how it is.
Plus it's supported by the Island Kahunas fighting Ultra Beasts alongside the Tapus
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Because it's essentially a middle ground that makes sense. Sure the protagonist can get stomped or stomp them if you bring a team that's severely underleveled or severely overleveled, but that's a game mechanics thing. An average case scenario would be a rather evenly matched fight.
They're able to fight the UBs alongside the Tapus. The Tapus provide extra aid obviously but the Kahuna's are capable of fighting UBs too.
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