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Pokémon Trainer revisions (RPG Edition)

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Considering this is gonna go through and y'all gonna be editing trainers either way, may i request that the profiles don't just get their tiers blindly but are also updated to the current standards? I'm pretty sure there are profiles which haven't been edited since the High 6-C nerfs back in 2017~
 
Firestorm808 said:
Can the following mods please restate your stance on the current scaling proposal below?
The following is scaling the Post-Legendary encounter mandatory NPCs as comparable without using the Anime or Masters. Purely for the main Pokemon RPG.
  • Gen 1
    • Champion Blue, Elite 4 Lance, and Alder stay at 6-C
  • Gen 2
    • Elite 4, Champion Lance, and become 6-B
    • Red and Blue 5-B
  • Gen 3
    • Elite 4, Wally, Wallace, and Steven become High 6-A or 5-B with ORAS
  • Gen 4
    • Barry, Elite 4, Volkner, and Cynthia become At least 2-B, likely 2-A
  • Gen 5
    • Zinnia, B/W N, Ghetsis and Cheren, B2/W2 Elite4, Champion Iris, Colress, Benga, Lysandre, AZ become At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A, 2-B likely 2-A in BW2
  • Gen 6
    • Elite 4, Diantha At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A
  • Gen 7
    • Alola Elite Four, Title Defense Trainers become At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A
  • Gen 8
    • Piers, Raihan, Chairman Rose, Leon, Hop, Peony, Champion tournament Trainers become 2-B, likely 2-A
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I am neutral like I said above; I am not familiar with the later scaling like from Gen 6 to 8 either.
 
Okay well besides the level 50 thing, that's a pretty clear statement of wanting an even playing field. So, I think I can agree with GyroNutz on that
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Ok I'll apply the changes
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Wait a little while longer please.
Firestorm808 said:
Can the following mods please restate your stance on the current scaling proposal below?
The following is scaling the Post-Legendary encounter mandatory NPCs as comparable without using the Anime or Masters. Purely for the main Pokemon RPG.
  • Gen 1
    • Champion Blue, Elite 4 Lance, and Alder stay at 6-C
  • Gen 2
    • Elite 4, Champion Lance, and become 6-B
    • Red and Blue 5-B
  • Gen 3
    • Elite 4, Wally, Wallace, and Steven become High 6-A or 5-B with ORAS
  • Gen 4
    • Barry, Elite 4, Volkner, and Cynthia become At least 2-B, likely 2-A
  • Gen 5
    • Zinnia, B/W N, Ghetsis and Cheren, B2/W2 Elite4, Champion Iris, Colress, Benga, Lysandre, AZ become At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A, 2-B likely 2-A in BW2
  • Gen 6
    • Elite 4, Diantha At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A
  • Gen 7
    • Alola Elite Four, Title Defense Trainers become At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A
  • Gen 8
    • Piers, Raihan, Chairman Rose, Leon, Hop, Peony, Champion tournament Trainers become 2-B, likely 2-A
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@Firestorm808

Have we received sufficient input to apply this now?
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Wouldn't Alder be 3-C, likely High 3-A in BW2?
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He would be since he fought the player very well after defeating Iris

Also, the story in BW heavily implies N had a tough fight with Alder, but he eventually won with Zekrom/Reshiram

N also says he used his full power with Zekrom/Reshiram to beat Alder, meaning it wasn't a curbstomp battle a
 
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Alder would just downscale from N. And besides, in B2W2 Alder was finally defeated by Iris after a tough battle. As a reminder, the same Iris was stronger than Ghetsis
 
I agree with that, he should definitely be stronger or comparable to the player in B2W2 when they fought fused Kyurem
 
Can somebody write down all of the knowledgeable members who have helped out in this thread previously please, so I can send a notification to them?

Also, it would help if somebody explains what currently needs to be done here.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
The following seems fine if we're scaling the Post-Legendary encounter mandatory NPCs as comparable.

Without using the Anime or Masters:
  • Gen 1
    • Champion Blue, Elite 4 Lance, and Alder stay at 6-C
  • Gen 2
    • Elite 4, Champion Lance, and become 6-B
    • Red and Blue 5-B
  • Gen 8
    • Piers, Raihan, Chairman Rose, Leon, Hop, Peony, Champion tournament Trainers become 2-B likely 2-A
  • Gen 3
    • Elite 4, Wally, Wallace, and Steven become High 6-A or 5-B with ORAS
  • Gen 5
    • Zinnia, B/W N, Ghetsis and Cheren, B2/W2 Elite4, Champion Iris, Colress, Benga, Lysandre, AZ become "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A", 2-B likely 2-A in BW2
  • Gen 6
    • Elite 4, Diantha "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A"
  • Gen 7
    • Alola Elite Four, Title Defense Trainers become "At least 3-C, possibly High 3-A"
  • Gen 4
    • Barry, Elite 4, Volkner, Cynthia become "At least 2-B, likely 2-A"
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I believe these are the changes that need to be made, except Alder was agreed to be "At least 3-C, likely High 3-A"
 
Thank you.

So about this:
Antvasima said:
Can somebody write down all of the knowledgeable members who have helped out in this thread previously please, so I can send a notification to them?
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So, how can I help here? I think we did agree on a conclusion presented earlier

I also think that some of these needs seperation from Game, Anime, Masters Canon etc.
 
The post that CloverDragon03 quoted seems to exclude anime and Masters canon, I think we just need someone to write up some justifications and then apply them.
 
LordTracer said:
The post that CloverDragon03 quoted seems to exclude anime and Masters canon, I think we just need someone to write up some justifications and then apply them.
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Yes. This will be for a different CRT. For now I think we should probably follow what Clover suggested since I think the staff agreed with him here
 
Well, it would be preferable with considerably more staff input first.

Can somebody write easy to understand, but sufficiently thorough, explanations of what is suggested here please, so I can ask Starter Pack, GyroNutz, SamanPatou, CloverDragon03, Elizhaa, Hop Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer, SomebodyData, Amelia Lonelyheart, Saikou The Lewd King, Colonel Krukov, Shadowbokunohero, Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan, Bobsican, Psychomaster35, ElixirBlue, Firestorm808, Executor N0, Theglassman12, and DarkDragonMedeus what they think about it?
 
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Or do we have sufficient staff input here already? If so, which of them have thought what so far?
 
Thank you for the evaluation.

However, what about this?
Antvasima said:
Can somebody write easy to understand, but sufficiently thorough, explanations of what is suggested here please, so I can ask Starter Pack, GyroNutz, SamanPatou, CloverDragon03, Elizhaa, Hop Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer, SomebodyData, Amelia Lonelyheart, Saikou The Lewd King, Colonel Krukov, Shadowbokunohero, Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan, Bobsican, Psychomaster35, ElixirBlue, Firestorm808, Executor N0, Theglassman12, and DarkDragonMedeus what they think about it?
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Antvasima said:
Or do we have sufficient staff input here already? If so, which of them have thought what so far?
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Gen 2
At least Country level, likely higher (Battled Ethan/Lyra after they faced Ho-Oh or Lugia)
Scales to: Lance (Champion Team), Silver (Post-Game)

Gen 3
RSE - Multi-Continent level, possibly higher (Battled Brendan/May after they faced Groudon or Kyogre)
OR/AS - Planet level (Battled Brendan/May after they faced Primal Groudon or Primal Kyogre
Scales to: Wally (Victory Road, Third/Fourth Battle and Battle Tree), Steven (Gen 3 Team), Zinnia, Anabel (Gen 3)

Gen 4
Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Battled Lucas/Dawn after they faced Giratina)
Scales to: Barry (End Game), Cynthia (Gen 4), Dahlia, Palmer

Gen 5
At least Galaxy level, likely High Universe level (Battled Hilbert/Hilda after they faced Zekrom or Reshiram)
Scales to: Cheren (Post-Game), Ghetsis (B/W, B2/W2), N (End Game, B2/W2)

Gen 6
At least Galaxy level, likely High Universe level (Battled Calem/Serena after they faced Xerneas or Yveltal)
Scales to: Lysandre (Gen 6), AZ, Diantha

Let me know if I missed anyone else that this would scale to. I believe all of the characters with PWT keys would be 2-B, likely 2-A via scaling to Cynthia, but I’m not completely sure on that.

These suggestions were also agreed upon, but I don’t remember what the reasoning for them was, so someone will have to remind me:
  • Gen 2 Red and Blue become 5-B
  • Gen 7 characters scale to At least 3-C, likely High 3-A
  • Gen 8 characters scale to 2-B, likely 2-A
 
For Gen 7:
At least Galaxy level, likely High Universe level (Battled Elio/Selene after they faced a Nihilego-amped Lusamine, along with Solgaleo or Lunala)

For Gen 8:
At least Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Battled Victor/Gloria, who can fight a Dynamaxed Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina)

I don't remember Gen 2 Red and Blue, might have to do with Mewtwo or something idk
 
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