One Piece: Wano Arc Part 2: Speed Revisions; The Moon

[KingTempest]

Luffy​

FTL (Although inferior, he could block a strike from Hybrid Kaidou. Eventually grew to the point where he could keep up with Kaidou, block his attacks, and land many hits on him), higher reactions with Kenbunshoku Haki (Manage to barely dodge Base Kaidou's Thunder Bagua, which had previously fully blitzed him in Gear 4th), higher with Gear 2nd (Faster than before), far higher with Gear 4th: Boundman (Managed to keep up and overwhelm Full Zoan Form Kaidou, and landed many hits on him as well) | FTL with higher reactions (Faster than before. Fully kept up with Hybrid Form Kaidou), higher with Gears (Faster than before. His Gear 2nd dodged Kaidou's Thunder Bagua, and Snakeman & Boundman are superior in speed)

Zoro​

FTL (Could react to Big Mom and Kaidou's attacks, occasionally intercepting them), far higher with Iai Attacks (Speedblitzed Scratchmen Apoo, who could react to Eustass Kid, and X Drake) | FTL (As fast as before. Kept up with King in base and Zoan Forms) with higher reactions (Reacted to attacks from Base and Hybrid King with his flame off), far higher with Iai Attacks (Speed-blitzed King)

Sanji​

FTL (Can keep up with Queen, who can tag Sanji in his Exoskeleton Key, so he should be around as fast as his later self), higher attack speed with Diable Jambe, far higher with Raid Suit (Faster than Diable Jambe) | FTL (Moved this fast), higher attack speed with Diable Jambe, far higher with Ifrit Jambe

Yamato​

FTL (Although inferior, could block an attack from Hybrid Kaidou), higher in Zoan Forms (Kept up with Hybrid Kaidou), far higher with Thunder Bagua (Matched Hybrid Kaidou's Thunder Bagua's speed)

Kaidou​

FTL (Fought on par with Oden. Fully matched Big Mom), higher in Zoan Forms, far higher with Thunder Bagua (Stated to be too fast by a Luffy who was using Kenbunshoku Haki[14], when a weaker Luffy who was also using Kenbunshoku Haki considered light speed to be slow[15])

King​

FTL (Tagged Marco and kept up with Roronoa Zoro), higher in Zoan Forms (Faster than before) even higher with his flame off (With his lunarian flame turned off he moves speed increases, went FTE to Roronoa Zoro), far higher attack speed with Imperial Deep Pride Stake (Speed-blitzed Roronoa Zoro)

Queen​

FTL (Superior to Jack and could combat the scabbards in the past, while some of them were equal to their previous selves), higher in Zoan Forms (Could tag Post-Exoskeleton Sanj)

Big Mom​

FTL (Could slam Queen's head into the ground before he could do anything)

Kid​

FTL (Kept up with Big Mom and intercepted her attack. Dodged Big Mom's Tenjin and was only tagged because it was a homing attack)

Law​

FTL (Could tag Hybrid Kaidou with his Injection Shot, then blocked his strike)

Scabbards​

FTL ()Capable of combatting Kaidou

Killer​

FTL (Could deflect Kaidou's Kaifu at close range)

Marco​

FTL (Could tag King with an attack), higher in Zoan Forms (Blitzed Zoan Queen and kept up with King. Moved this fast)

AKA

Opinion on this?

They're fine

 

[Eminiteable]

I might have missed this being discussed already but Queen's speed section should mention:

Speed of Light with Black Coffee, Henry Blazer or Sparking Valkyrie

 

[KobsterHope07]

Would X-Drake and Apoo be affected by these changes

 

[KingTempest]

Would X-Drake and Apoo be affected by these changes

I personally don't advise it, as Apoo pretty much couldn't do anything to the likes of Kid (who's relative to Zoro).

But if others are fine with him scaling, then that's fine

 

[KobsterHope07]

I personally don't advise it, as Apoo pretty much couldn't do anything to the likes of Kid (who's relative to Zoro).

But if others are fine with him scaling, then that's fine

I mean, in your Zoro’s justifications, you have “Speedblitzed Scratchmen Apoo, who could react to Eustass Kid, and X Drake”. So I was wondering if Apoo scales to Kid speed-wise

 

[KingTempest]

I mean, in your Zoro’s justifications, you have “Speedblitzed Scratchmen Apoo, who could react to Eustass Kid, and X Drake”. So I was wondering if Apoo scales to Kid speed-wise

Oh yeah forgot bout that

He scales in reactions, but not in actual speed

Also the issue of Apoo keeping up equally with both base and hybrid drake

 

[Eseseso]

Eager to get into lifting strength and another portion I wanted to tackle before that

1. Is there really anything major for Lifting strength? Because I don't seem to recall anything major during the raid.

2. What else do you want to tackle?

 

[KingTempest]

1. Is there really anything major for Lifting strength? Because I don't seem to recall anything major during the raid.

Then you ain't pay attention to Wano

2. What else do you want to tackle?

You'll see

 

[Romeu08]

Then you ain't pay attention to Wano

You'll see

Kaidou feat was impressive, i wanna see If anyone else scales

 

[KobsterHope07]

Oh yeah forgot bout that

He scales in reactions, but not in actual speed

Also the issue of Apoo keeping up equally with both base and hybrid drake

Would this applies to X Drake since he could clash with Zoro according to his AP justification

 

[KingTempest]

Would this applies to X Drake since he could clash with Zoro according to his AP justification

yeah

 

[KingTempest]

Didn't drake get tagged by early wano sanji?

Yeah I'm definitely not supporting him scaling in this department

 

[Eminiteable]

He did get tagged but Drake just looked at him doing it and took no damage, him taking it could have been intentional.

He did almost blitz Sanji with his tail swing.

 

[Kachon123]

He did almost blitz Sanji with his tail swing.

Sanji was literally tricked to think Drake would attack with a bite, when Drake actually hit him with his tail.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_945_05.jpg

 

[Kachon123]

Sanji was able to avoid and outspeed Drake many times during their altercation.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_945_09.jpghttps://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_944_07.jpg

 

[Eminiteable]

Guess Drake doesn't scale.

 

[KingTempest]

Outlier for Drake's speed then

 

[StrawHatArslan]

is there anything left to tackle here?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Luffy​

Zoro​

Sanji​

Yamato​

Kaidou​

King​

Queen​

Big Mom​

Kid​

Law​

Scabbards​

Killer​

Marco​

AKA

They're fine

These all look good

 

[GroundX1]

Whitebeard Will scale to 8c?

 

[KingTempest]

These all look good

Thank you

I'll start adding them then

Whitebeard Will scale to 8c?

no. 5c

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Whitebeard Will scale to 8c?

Whitebeard isn't building level lmao.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Whitebeard isn't building level lmao.

True.


Because swords are 9-C, I think they misspelled.

 

[KingTempest]

Boink

Revisions have been finished

Closing

 

[Antvasima]

small bump that some of the changes made in this thread still need to be applied. The FTL stuff was already added, but most of the Strawhats still need a Rel+ rating and justification.

Any help would be appreciated.

It seems like some work is still required here.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

oh!

Uh, I didn't think anyone would respond so I just added the Rel+ ratings to most of the strawhats based on the OP. If those need to be changed, feel free to do so.

Profiles I edited

Franky
Brook
Nami
Usopp
Page 1 (This profile was really outdated, it was still using our Massive Hypersonic+ values, for some reason)


Feel free to revert/alter these edits if they aren't in line with the intended vision for those profiles. Apologies for jumping the gun.

Also

Chopper still needs to be changed. Wasn't sure what to do with his speed scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

oh!

Uh, I didn't think anyone would respond so I just added the Rel+ ratings to most of the strawhats based on the OP. If those need to be changed, feel free to do so.

Profiles I edited

Franky
Brook
Nami
Usopp
Page 1 (This profile was really outdated, it was still using our Massive Hypersonic+ values, for some reason)


Feel free to revert/alter these edits if they aren't in line with the intended vision for those profiles. Apologies for jumping the gun.

Also

Chopper still needs to be changed. Wasn't sure what to do with his speed scaling.

@Eminiteable @DemonGodMitchAubin

What do you think about this?

 

[Antvasima]

Input from other members would also be very appreciated.

 

[Eminiteable]

@Eminiteable @DemonGodMitchAubin

What do you think about this?

Chopper still needs to be changed. Wasn't sure what to do with his speed scaling.

Base would stay the same, FTL in Monster Point (he even has his own FTL feat in this form but he would scale to Zoan Queen's higher value)

Everything else you've already changed looks fine to me

 

[Kachon123]

Everything you edited looks good at a glance.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Kachon123]

FTL in Monster Point (he even has his own FTL feat in this form but he would scale to Zoan Queen's higher value)

I don't see why Chopper would scale to Queen.

 

[Eminiteable]

I don't see why Chopper would scale to Queen.

They fought, Chopper landed attacks on him.

 

[Eseseso]

I agree with Chopper scaling to Queen, dude literally caught Queen off guard with that punch

 

[GodlyCharmander]

They fought, Chopper landed attacks on him.

I dunno.
Queen is pretty much allowing himself to get hit, as he is laughing his attacks off. The first slap was off guard

 

[Eminiteable]

I dunno.
Queen is pretty much allowing himself to get hit, as he is laughing his attacks off. The first slap was off guard

Doesn't matter, during no point in the fight was Queen shown to be faster than Chopper. Chopper was able to land hits on him, react to and dodge his attacks. Even after Queen made his statement (Chopper also wasn't able to fight properly due to hearing that Luffy had lost) and intended to bite him Chopper still reacted to this attack and put up his arm in defense.

There's no reason not to scale Chopper to Queen.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Doesn't matter, during no point in the fight was Queen shown to be faster than Chopper.

You can't reverse Burden me. This is insignificant.

Chopper was able to land hits on him,

I already explained this does not matter as Queen was casual, and seemingly allowing himself to get hit to simply flex his durability.

react to and dodge his attacks.

He barely reacted to a bite, and reacted to his laser (which has a calc of it's own).
We do not have to scale Chopper to a character portrayed as superior, Chopper can scale to his own value, which would still make sense to him barely reacting to Queen's bite, as the gap between both aren't that great.

Even after Queen made his statement (Chopper also wasn't able to fight properly due to hearing that Luffy had lost) and intended to bite him Chopper still reacted to this attack and put up his arm in defense.

As I said, barely reacted, he is still slightly slower.

There's no reason not to scale Chopper to Queen.

There should be a reason to do so, stating a lack of reason does nothing to your point.

 

[Eminiteable]

He barely reacted to a bite.

As I said, barely reacted, he is still slightly slower.

What's this barely reacted to argument based on? Chopper even when injured and emotionally distressed had no trouble reacting to his attack or putting up his arm in defense before Queen had even reached him.

Over 3 times isn't slightly slower.

We do not have to scale Chopper to a character portrayed as superior, Chopper can scale to his own value, which would still make sense to him barely reacting to Queen's bite, as the gap between both aren't that great.

Queen was never portrayed faster than Chopper. Chopper's value scales to 1.56c, Queen scales to 5.33c. Queen was never shown to be over 3 times faster than Chopper.

 

[Eseseso]

I agree with Emin, since he's showing a lot of actual proof to back MP Chopper being equal to Queen.

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with Char.