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One Piece Lifting Strength Scaling is pretty garbage for plenty of reasons. I'll try to fix one of them.
We have certain characters scale above/relative to other characters for grabbing or throwing them when the person on the receiving end showed no sign of fighting back. This thread's purpose is to remove all of these.
Note: I may miss some, so if I have, post them and I'll add it to the OP
1. Queen
Queen's LS in his Zoan Forms currently scales to Post-Udon Luffy and Rooftop Zoro's LS because of this interaction, and I have no idea why. Not once did either Zoro or Luffy resist or try to fight back against Queen's bite. Instead, they were just laying there, more focused on King and his flying goons above them.
Queen's Zoan LS should instead scale to/above the force of Luffy's Gum Gum Rocket, as he was able to stand firm after grabbing Luffy mid-launch without being sent flying himself. Since Gum Gum Rocket is an attack mostly reliant on the elasticity of Luffy's arms, it should pack around the same punch force-wise to similarly working attacks like Gum Gum Pistol and other techniques of that nature.
2. Marco
Marco's LS in his Zoan Forms currently scales to 2x Zoan King and Zoan Queen's values because of this interaction. Ignoring the fact that the 2x rating is pretty much bullshit for the same reason we don't currently scale Zoan Queen to 2x Luffy and Zoro's values, Marco's Zoan Forms' LS shouldn't scale to Zoan King and Zoan Queen at all. King and Queen never once fought back, and even if they did, I'm not sure if that scene alone is enough to scale Marco to them, as Queen's head was detached from his main body, and King was in the middle of flying (the force of his wings moving to fly ≠ the force of his strikes or him lifting).
Marco should instead scale above the likes of Ace, who was equal to Jinbe, who could stop the force of BoTS Gear 2 Luffy's Jet Stamp without losing his footing.
3. King
One of the justifications for Base King's LS has him scaling above Onigashima Raid Sanji's LS based on this interaction. Similar to the examples above, Sanji never fought back. He wasn't there to fight King. He was there to save Momonosuke and bring him to safety, which we see he was focused on doing, throwing Momonosuke toward Shinobu instead of escaping King's grip. This scaling also doesn't make sense because we see Sanji was able to clash with a strike from King without being pushed backwards, and instead was able to push his leg back.
Although Base King already has scaling via Queen and Jack, the justification with Sanji could be replaced with his other scaling via Zoro. Base King was shown being able to block attacks from Post-Mink Drug Zoro, and even push him back on some occasions.
4. Kid
Two of Kid's justification for his LS with his Magnetism need to go.
A. Kid vs Big Mom
Kid currently scales to Big Mom's LS because of this interaction. Kid sent Big Mom flying using Repel, but the issue with using this for scaling is that in order to do this, Kid didn't really need to overcome Big Mom's LS, but rather her actual weight. To explain the difference, if I were to push over the World's Strongest Man Mitchell Hooper, I would only have to overcome around 145 kg of Mass, and not necessarily his 400 kg deadlift.
B. Kid vs Kaidou
Kid currently scales to Kaidou because of this interaction. Throwing someone who isn't fighting back or taking you completely seriously doesn't require you to overcome their LS for the same reasons as above.
Kid's LS with his Magnetism should instead replace these justifications with his feat of stopping the force of an angry Big Mom's cognac swing.
We have certain characters scale above/relative to other characters for grabbing or throwing them when the person on the receiving end showed no sign of fighting back. This thread's purpose is to remove all of these.
Note: I may miss some, so if I have, post them and I'll add it to the OP
1. Queen
Queen's LS in his Zoan Forms currently scales to Post-Udon Luffy and Rooftop Zoro's LS because of this interaction, and I have no idea why. Not once did either Zoro or Luffy resist or try to fight back against Queen's bite. Instead, they were just laying there, more focused on King and his flying goons above them.
Queen's Zoan LS should instead scale to/above the force of Luffy's Gum Gum Rocket, as he was able to stand firm after grabbing Luffy mid-launch without being sent flying himself. Since Gum Gum Rocket is an attack mostly reliant on the elasticity of Luffy's arms, it should pack around the same punch force-wise to similarly working attacks like Gum Gum Pistol and other techniques of that nature.
2. Marco
Marco's LS in his Zoan Forms currently scales to 2x Zoan King and Zoan Queen's values because of this interaction. Ignoring the fact that the 2x rating is pretty much bullshit for the same reason we don't currently scale Zoan Queen to 2x Luffy and Zoro's values, Marco's Zoan Forms' LS shouldn't scale to Zoan King and Zoan Queen at all. King and Queen never once fought back, and even if they did, I'm not sure if that scene alone is enough to scale Marco to them, as Queen's head was detached from his main body, and King was in the middle of flying (the force of his wings moving to fly ≠ the force of his strikes or him lifting).
Marco should instead scale above the likes of Ace, who was equal to Jinbe, who could stop the force of BoTS Gear 2 Luffy's Jet Stamp without losing his footing.
3. King
One of the justifications for Base King's LS has him scaling above Onigashima Raid Sanji's LS based on this interaction. Similar to the examples above, Sanji never fought back. He wasn't there to fight King. He was there to save Momonosuke and bring him to safety, which we see he was focused on doing, throwing Momonosuke toward Shinobu instead of escaping King's grip. This scaling also doesn't make sense because we see Sanji was able to clash with a strike from King without being pushed backwards, and instead was able to push his leg back.
Although Base King already has scaling via Queen and Jack, the justification with Sanji could be replaced with his other scaling via Zoro. Base King was shown being able to block attacks from Post-Mink Drug Zoro, and even push him back on some occasions.
4. Kid
Two of Kid's justification for his LS with his Magnetism need to go.
A. Kid vs Big Mom
Kid currently scales to Big Mom's LS because of this interaction. Kid sent Big Mom flying using Repel, but the issue with using this for scaling is that in order to do this, Kid didn't really need to overcome Big Mom's LS, but rather her actual weight. To explain the difference, if I were to push over the World's Strongest Man Mitchell Hooper, I would only have to overcome around 145 kg of Mass, and not necessarily his 400 kg deadlift.
B. Kid vs Kaidou
Kid currently scales to Kaidou because of this interaction. Throwing someone who isn't fighting back or taking you completely seriously doesn't require you to overcome their LS for the same reasons as above.
Kid's LS with his Magnetism should instead replace these justifications with his feat of stopping the force of an angry Big Mom's cognac swing.
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