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Queen and Wano Sanji scaling: The final AP/Scaling discussion.

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I don't think Brachio Bomber would be one of Queen's strongest attacks if it was only as strong has him dropping from an elevated platform.

Boiling it down to just that makes no sense.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
How the **** is him jumping off a cliff the deciding factor for it not being an outlier?
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Because if it was him jumping off the cliff, it would be a combination of gravity and his weight to crush his opponent like this.

In actuality, it's like this. Queen is using his own strength to headbutt, not gravity and his weight.
 
Wtf is happening here?
Damage3245 said:
Isn't the Brachio-Bomber scene a huge anti-feat for Big Mom anyway since she shouldn't be harmed by the kinetic energy of a brachiosaurus falling on her from a cliff? I thought we disregarded that.
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Are y'all really trying to use "it was just the kinetic energy of him falling" to downplay Queen's feat to tier 8 or something? Bro, wtf.
TheMonkeMan said:
Isn't that an outlier ( because rocks shouldn't be hurting him at all considering how durable he is )?
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And again with the bullshit that "oh it was just a rock so they shouldn't be harmed"


Guys, let me tell you all something, this is fiction and we're talking about vs scaling, if a 6C character throws a rock at someone or jumps towards someone, it doesn't matter how big the rock is or the KE of the human body jumping, it will be a 6C attack, or are y'all going to downgrade every swordsman in fiction to 9C max because they "only have the KE of moving a sword"? WTF? No one is saying this in any verse i know of, but suddenly in OP things like this become a problem?
 
XDragnoir said:
Guys, let me tell you all something, this is fiction and we're talking about vs scaling, if a 6C character throws a rock at someone or jumps towards someone, it doesn't matter how big the rock is or the KE of the human body jumping, it will be a 6C attack, or are y'all going to downgrade every swordsman in fiction to 9C max because they "only have the KE of moving a sword"? WTF? No one is saying this in any verse i know of, but suddenly in OP things like this become a problem?
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Reminds of the time when Arale broke the Moon simply by throwing just a stone at it. Or when Killer Croc beat Batman with just a rock. Brick Level will be the new meta for scaling for these guys.
 
XDragnoir said:
Guys, let me tell you all something, this is fiction and we're talking about vs scaling, if a 6C character throws a rock at someone or jumps towards someone, it doesn't matter how big the rock is or the KE of the human body jumping, it will be a 6C attack, or are y'all going to downgrade every swordsman in fiction to 9C max because they "only have the KE of moving a sword"? WTF? No one is saying this in any verse i know of, but suddenly in OP things like this become a problem?
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The lengths people go to enforce their agendas and downplay certain characters is honestly astonishing
 
Kachon123 said:
King's explosion feat was only calced at like 7-A, and yet Zoro said it'd kill him. Is that an outlier?
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This is completely different; explosions are inherently lowballed by the formula because it doesn’t work with an overpressure over 20 psi (though the overpressure of King’s explosion must have been WAY higher than 20 psi in order to be a threat to Zoro)

The KE of a falling brachiosaurus is as simple as you can get
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
This is completely different; explosions are inherently lowballed by the formula because it doesn’t work with an overpressure over 20 psi (though the overpressure of King’s explosion must have been WAY higher than 20 psi in order to be a threat to Zoro)

The KE of a falling brachiosaurus is as simple as you can get
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That was just a single example. There are several feats that when calced, don't yield results even close to High 6-A, yet threaten characters of that level. You're talking my example far too literally.
 
First of all it's not like Law was bringing down one rock on her, it was a big ass pile of rocks on her entire body.
Not to mention he could have, y'know, strengthened the rock or something.
Similar to Luffy spitting a pile of big rocks at Lucci and Lucci busting one with Armament.
We didn't downgrade him to building level or something because of that.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
First of all it's not like Law was bringing down one rock on her, it was a big ass pile of rocks on her entire body.
Not to mention he could have, y'know, strengthened the rock or something.
Similar to Luffy spitting a pile of big rocks at Lucci and Lucci busting one with Armament.
We didn't downgrade him to building level or something because of that.
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You're missing the point, as all of you have the past page this thread has been going on for.

Queen's Brachio Bomber is not him jumping off a cliff and letting gravity run its course. He's using his strength to propel himself forward in order to damage Big Mom. It's in no way an outlier.
 
We've been disagreeing with it since the thread began and now it's because we have agendas?
There's a reason this has been tried before and rejected before.
Queen was getting boxed by Marco who scales to BM and all of a sudden you think he scales to BM when he doesn't even scale to Marco.
 
Kachon123 said:
You're missing the point, as all of you have the past page this thread has been going on for.

Queen's Brachio Bomber is not him jumping off a cliff and letting gravity run its course. He's using his strength to propel himself forward in order to damage Big Mom. It's in no way an outlier.
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How does he use his strength to propel himself forward when he hasn't shown the ability to move freely in air
 
KingTempest said:
How does he use his strength to propel himself forward when he hasn't shown the ability to move freely in air
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Look at the anime. He pushes with his leg downwards.

Kachon123 said:
Because if it was him jumping off the cliff, it would be a combination of gravity and his weight to crush his opponent like this.

In actuality, it's like this. Queen is using his own strength to headbutt, not gravity and his weight.
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Also again, the attack didn't really hurt her. Her head had 0 visible damage/dents in it and she didn't even notice that he attacked her.
Even after it, Queen pissed his pants at the thought of her fighting him.
He was just relying on her being hungry, amnesiac, and completely unaware and unguarded.
 
Eseseso said:
Not to mention that he took the force of his own Brachio Bomber with no injury or skull cracking.
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..So did BM?
She just noted she had a headache but she had no notable damage from it.
Plus Kaidou got a headache from falling 10000 feet, we never made the ground H6A for that.
 
Eseseso said:
And we can't deny that rooftop Zoro viewed his Zoan form as a powerful threat.
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That's correct. During the Rooftop Battle, Zoro expressed concern about Queen's Zoan form and recognized it as a formidable threat. He even commented that Queen's ability to transform into a Brachiosaurus was troublesome, indicating that he considered it to be a a significant advantage. So its safe to say that Zoro viewed Queen's Zoan as a powerful opponent.
TheMonkeMan said:
Isn't that an outlier ( because rocks shouldn't be hurting him at all considering how durable he is )?
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It's true that Kaido is incredibly durable and has shown resistance to various attacks, including blunt force trauma. However it is not necessarily an outlier for him to be hurt by a large object like a boulder, especially if its thrown with enough force. It's also worth noting that Kaido was not in his dragon form when he was hit by the boulder, which may have affected his durability. Whether or not it's an outlier depends on your interpretation of Kaido's feats and the circumstances of the scene.
TheMonkeMan said:
Also again, the attack didn't really hurt her. Her head had 0 visible damage/dents in it and she didn't even notice that he attacked her.
Even after it, Queen pissed his pants at the thought of her fighting him.
He was just relying on her being hungry, amnesiac, and completely unaware and unguarded.
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That is correct. It's important to note that the attack from Queen with Brachio Bomber did not cause any visible damage to Big Mom, and she did not even seem to notice it. Additionally, Queens reaction to the attack indicates that he was aware that it did not significantly harm her and that he was intimidated by her potential power if she were to fight back. Therefore it would not be accurate to use this attack as evidence of Big Mom's weakness or lack of durability.
 
Eseseso said:
Not to mention that he took the force of his own Brachio Bomber with no injury or skull cracking.
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That's true, Queen was able to withstand the impact of his own Brachio Bomber without any visible injury or harm. This shows that he has a significant level of durability and resilience. However it's important to note that the circumstances of the attack, such as Big Mom's amnesia and hunger, could have also played a role in how much damage was inflicted.
 
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