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Ehhh, they badly damaged him each time.
I'm not scaling Wanda and Carrot to Neko, awesome as that would be.
What if Wano Perospero was given a separate key?
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One Piece: Wano Arc Part 1: AP Revisions; The Dawn
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Ehhh, they badly damaged him each time.
I'm not scaling Wanda and Carrot to Neko, awesome as that would be.
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His sulong ones yeah. His base, no.
Not scaling Sulong Wanda and Carrot to Base Injured Neko because...?
And he'll be given a separate key for what exactly? Having new feats?
That doesn't warrant new keys. The only thing he's been doing since WCI and Wano is sailing
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So here's the consensus.
Before the Wano lifting and speed CRTs start. I'll make a new CRT.
If we accept these points, we change damn near the whole scaling.
If we don't accept these points, we count them as outliers.
Before the Wano lifting and speed CRTs start. I'll make a new CRT.
If we accept these points, we change damn near the whole scaling.
If we don't accept these points, we count them as outliers.
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We'll see.
DaMonkeMan
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Where's panda man on this? Y'all literally didn't include the people that are practically some of the strongest characters in fiction.
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Actually, thinking about it, I change my mind, since I don't think there's anything that'd make it an outlier.
Even so, they should either downscale from Neko for doing less damage to Pero or just scale to 1/2 of whatever Pero scales to since IIRC they damaged him via a combined attack.
So same as most of the Straw Hats outside of Luffy and Zoro. Got it.
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I always warned we'd need sub CRT's for this CRT
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Oh no. Luffy scales too. Every form of Luffy is affected
And you could also make a case for Zoro, since they said that if they wanted to fight in WCI they'd bring Zoro.
We don't need them because of the CRT's issues. We need them for your constant ways of trying to upscale everyone from this
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Wasn't it brought up a while ago that Monster Chopper had no blood on him from the arrows though?
And yeah, Healthy Neko could fight jack for DAYS without Sulong. Post-Roof Injured Neko fell out of Sulong and had pretty much lost his bout with Jack indirectly due to Inu being in the exact same situation.
They've definitely weakened by a lot after the Roof battle, so scaling Perospero to either is pushing it
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Can we just, have a moment of silence for Jack? Mans took constant Ls since he was introduced... Literally had to try and bully building level civilians while he's like, large mountain level, and still got whooped once the two leaders of the town came. Only calamity that can get beaten by the SH from Franky and up. Even Chopper and Robin might have a chance against him. Shit, I'm pretty sure my autistic four year old cousin could beat him, just give him a rattle to beat him with..
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What I meant is that all the Straw Hats outside of Luffy and Zoro got stronger from WCI to Wano while doing nothing, just like Perospero, yet they also got a new key.
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The strawhats have a statement of "every island we get stronger".
They didn't get stronger from WCI to Wano. They got stronger training in the week before the break.
They had timeframes of growth, something Perospero didn't take initiative of.
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The amount of people I see on Reddit who don't get any of this and constantly put Perospero in the same tier with Jack, Inu, and Neko in their tier lists because of how he did against Neko lol.
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Tenatively agree
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I feel weird about any form of Luffy before Udon being near Base Kaidou’s 1 Petaton, because Base Kaidou casually one-shot
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Agreed (even though tbf Kaido used Haoshoku infusion to one-shot him, although let's face it G4 Luffy did NOTHING to him)
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He didn't use hao.
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Really?
Huh, could've sworn he did due to that lightning surrounding his attack.
Oh well, nvm that then.
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Haki Lightning is weird sometimes, we have to see the lightning on the attack prior to the attack actually landing
Thunder Bagua just uses regular lightning
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Haoshoku's lightning looks like a kite's tail, lol
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I honestly feel like 2/3rds of this thread's length is due to Eseseso bringing up "sketchy at best" scaling to the characters, or nitpicking something very minor, or something that's already explained in the sandbox. I don't mean to be rude, but this really stretches the thread and makes it tiring to go through. Either way, since the Sandbox is already done, will Damage look at it later?
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yeah i 100% agree, things can move way quicker if that wasn't the case lol
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I just want Kaido's name in Kid's AP Section to be removed because Kid didn't do anything to Kaido and Apoo's DF only gave Off Guard Attacks so I think Apoo's DF doesn't fully scale to Luffy, Zoro and Kid's durability.
Killer says that as long as they can hear Appo's music, Apoo can still sneak attacks, so the only defense is to cover their ears.
Killer says that as long as they can hear Appo's music, Apoo can still sneak attacks, so the only defense is to cover their ears.
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Well not a matter of being injured, as injured or not neko won’t be thousands of times weaker, but yeah pero feat was certainly an outlier. There is no argument that can say it is not an outlier.
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I agree with Kid not damaging Kaidou and I think it should be removed, I spoke a bit about it offsite but Base Kaidou's durability section could include the fact that Kid didn't think it was possible to harm him with physical attacks despite his feats of hurting Big Mom, giving Base Kaidou's durability support for being more durable than Big Mom.
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Either way since Kidd is able to damage An Amped Big Mom i dont think its an issue saying Kidd can damage Kaido too
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There is, as Kid's flat out stated harming Kaidou with physical blows (99% of his attacks) shouldn't be possible from his own experience.
Just means Kaidou's durability is greater than Big Mom's.
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Fair but shouldn't Amped Lifespan Form Big Mom be more durable than Base Kaido? Since in her Base Form with Napoleon she could fight him for a whole night. And Kidd damaged a stronger version of Big Mom
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Kaidou's Durability might just be higher than his Attack Potency, since he is relative to her in AP, and she didn't seem able to injure him. (Vice versa, but given Kaidou's rooftop statement, I doubt he eats serious).
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Yep thats fair. I also believe his durability is higher than his AP probably
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I've been commenting on some bits and pieces of the sandbox already in the thread.
Will go through the rest today.
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So how about this
Amped BM's Dura < base Kaido's Dura <Dragon Kaido's Dura< Hybrid Kaido AP/Dura = base Luffy Haoshoku infusion's AP = G4 Haoshoku infusion AP/Dura = Base G5th AP /Dura < Kaido's Flaming Dragon mode AP/Dura < Bajrang Gun's AP
Dragon Kaido's Dura = unleashed Enma Zoro
Hybrid Kaido's Dura = Kyutoryu Zoro
Amped BM's Dura < base Kaido's Dura <Dragon Kaido's Dura< Hybrid Kaido AP/Dura = base Luffy Haoshoku infusion's AP = G4 Haoshoku infusion AP/Dura = Base G5th AP /Dura < Kaido's Flaming Dragon mode AP/Dura < Bajrang Gun's AP
Dragon Kaido's Dura = unleashed Enma Zoro
Hybrid Kaido's Dura = Kyutoryu Zoro
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let's not pull out scaling chains.
they all scale from the same value. there's literally no point in just making controversy on who scales above who
they all scale from the same value. there's literally no point in just making controversy on who scales above who
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Okay
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DJ Sanji should scale above Marco as he could send Zoan Queen flying and spinning with an attack while Phoenix Brand failed to do so.
Other than that, i think Zoan/Hybrid Queen are able to scale below but still be in the same value as Marco, given drawing blood isn't enough reason to backscaling IMO (different from Base Queen who got sent flying and was noticeably cut and should thus downscale).
Other than that, i think Zoan/Hybrid Queen are able to scale below but still be in the same value as Marco, given drawing blood isn't enough reason to backscaling IMO (different from Base Queen who got sent flying and was noticeably cut and should thus downscale).
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Can I get some input on this?
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Zoro's the one who used Haki.
And he gets the AP for countering their hits
I agree with it
Heavily disagree with this to a ridiculously large extent, but I'll bring this up later
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