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I know that I already agreed to Drake not scaling, but just curious wasn't the guy who killed him also injured or no?
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One Piece: Wano Arc Part 1: AP Revisions; The Dawn
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Also a nice Base King justification as support would be how Queen was terrified of Big Mom while he wasn't.
For Base Yamato, a good support would be how Kaido said that anyone who beat him would be promoted to a Calamity, implying that her base alone is on the level of the Calamities
For Base Yamato, a good support would be how Kaido said that anyone who beat him would be promoted to a Calamity, implying that her base alone is on the level of the Calamities
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Izou was struggling to stand up the page before their encounter.
Neither one of them, who Izou both fought, were injured to the same extent that he was
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Not being scared of someone is not qualifications for scaling.
You reading 2 piece.
It says whoever brings her back to Kaidou has the opportunity to CHALLENGE any of the Lead Performers that they choose.
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Not like they jumped him or anything?
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They actually did.
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It was sarcasm but yeah. Also how is Aramaki going to be scaled?
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Personally I wouldn't have let that slide
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He won't get a profile for now until he has more than 1 page of feats.
That's just me tho
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Yeah makes sense. Plus I don't think it's a valid feat since he seemingly surprised them while they were in base form. So for now he just has the same drying ability that crocodile has.
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It possibly implies that he's above Queen by a fair amount.
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Naturally, considering King tanked a shishi sonson while Sanji wiped his ass with Queen using attacks that probably weren't as powerful as shishi sonson.
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He did get toasted by Kazenbo but I don't think the injuries are anywhere near comparable tbh.
That makes most sense- he has literally 1 feat, an unnamed ability, and 3 pages. Nothing worth a profile yet.
Jinbe wasn't scared of Linlin when he toasted his way out of her crew-- so definitely nothing solid. Queen's just loud and overreacting to everything tbh.
But yes King>Queen
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Ur choice of words is incredible
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I mean him being the 1st commander is enough evidence is it not?
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If you wanted justification for King being above Queen just add the vivre card statement, it's more reliable than them being scared of Big Mom: "He's the leader of the all-star and holds the highest strength after Kaidou."
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Ayup. It's clear that Kaido's crew is based off power anyway (since you can only be a Calamity by BEATING one) so his title alone is proof
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Good gracious heavens this man is huge
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It's been changed a bunch of times so far
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I may be wrong but weren't two of Marco's three battles against the Admirals with his Zoan powers, not his base form?
It has been noted up above in this thread that just being unafraid of someone doesn't make you comparable to them. So Izo being unafraid of the Admirals shouldn't be in his justification.
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Overpowered Kizaru with his base leg, broke Aokiji's Ice with his base leg
Used Zoan powers for movement, used regular striking for fighting
Only time he used Zoan kicks were on Akainu
It's a supporting fact
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I noticed a mistake made under Robin's section in the sandbox. She's C3/A3 for Drawing blood from and wounding Black Maria with Gigantesco Mano while she's C4 with Gigante Fleur for harming Hybrid Black Maria. However, it was Hybrid Black Maria Robin attacked with Gigantesco Mano.
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It still doesn't really belong there since we're not treating that as proof of AP in general for the characters.
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Why do we treat King's hybrid form being higher than his buso usage and full zoan? Shouldn't it just be "higher with Zoan Forms" like all the other zoan users?
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Someone told me to do this, since Zoro pushed back his Zoan and not his Hybrid
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I should ask, what is perospero scaling to?
As he is a big flaw in all this
As he is a big flaw in all this
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I don't think this is direct evidence of one form being superior and is more so due to Zoro not utilizing busoshoku haki in his first interaction with Hybrid and Zoro's overall growth throughout the fight:
Since we know Zoro using buso amps Zoro decently I don't think Hybrid being above Full Zoan makes sense considering in that instance he wasn't using it. We also see later on that Zoro when using buso against Hybrid (despite also being handicapped by Enma) did significantly better than in 1027:
And even with Zoro growing stronger naturally as the fight went on Full Zoan King was still relevant in the final chapter against Buso Zoro:
Personally the two of them shouldn't be separate and should remain listed under "higher with Zoan Forms" like the other zoan users.
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That's fair then
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What about his fight with the mink king?
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He won't scale to a super injured Neko
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Tbf I doubt an injured Neko is 2000 times weaker than his full power self.
By no means does Perospero scale to a full-power Neko (and even if he somewhat scales it's ONLY in AP since Neko ragdolled him), but still.
I mean, Perospero did leave arrows in MP Chopper's back, and was somewhat of a threat to Marco (by no means is he Marco level but its a fair supporting feat).
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You don't understand the simple fact that
A. It doesn't matter what we think. Unless super injured Nekomamushi has the feats of being relative to that point, we don't just backscale.
This is like backscaling BB's subordinates for hurting a super weakened WB and saying "well I don't think he should be too much weaker than regularly"
B. He'd scale in durability too since he took a hit
C. If you want to consider these, then we'll have to upscale a vast majority of pre-Wano characters
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That's... fair
Really? I remember him slapping Perospero around with single hits.
Only those like Katakuri if we make a separate Perospero key
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And he took those while off guard.
The entire group of sweet commanders would scale.
Ichiji would scale.
Yonji and Niji would scale for breaking his candy wall.
Reiju would scale for being comparable.
Sanji would scale for whooping his ass. Judge scales.
That means Daifuku would scale for fighting Sanji.
Oven would scale for fighting Niji.
Pedro would scale for parrying Oven's hit.
Tamago would scale.
You need to understand. There's no such thing as isolated scaling. Everyone in One Piece scales to everyone.
The slightest deep breath in the scaling changes everything.
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