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@Unforgiven0815 makes some good points but I'm still to far behind to know everything.
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One Piece: God Tier Scaling
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This has gone one forever, and the people on the list of kaido are those that well kaido thinks are the strongest in the world BM should put part but well given she was beside him then and they are in an alliance i can see why he didnt think of her. and he obviously has not met everyone or fought everyone so he cannot exactly put everyone on his list
and the statements about them getting stronger, of course current kaido is stronger than the kaido in the rocks pirate
and the statements about them getting stronger, of course current kaido is stronger than the kaido in the rocks pirate
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Just want to mention Kaido saying there are a scant few people who can fight him doesn't mean there are a scant few people who can "match" him
Being able to fight him don't mean they're equal
Not to mention the context is in direct relation to Kaido saying that Luffy is capable of damaging him
So it's moreso about hurting Kaido than anything else
Being able to fight him don't mean they're equal
Not to mention the context is in direct relation to Kaido saying that Luffy is capable of damaging him
So it's moreso about hurting Kaido than anything else
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Who said Boro breath is over Oden?
Boro Breath hurt him. Simple. You act like I said it one shot him.
His profile is BEING CHANGED. The profiles aren't canon, it's what people put there.
Dead people who were formerly your captain isn't an enemy either
Head
Canon
They just fought like 80 chapters ago
Mihawk fights swordsmen. Not everybody on earth. Kaido doesn't look for strong people and fights them, or else he'd go and fight Linlin.
This has ******* nothing to do with the point at hand
The fact that he was outside of ******* Wano so people have seen him gets the point across
He
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Outside
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Wano
Which means that people know of his strength.
Goddamn you shoving points down throats doesn't make them any more valid
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Someone forgot to read Marineford, Akainu and Whitebeard clash evenly several times
Whitebeard only beat Akainu when he was extremely pissed and caught Akainu off guard
Even then, Akainu back up and kept fighting without issue like a few minutes later
That one fight where Whitebeard beats Akainu is what people remember and not the numerous other feats of comparison in the arc, that's all
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And Akainu is blatantly stated to have a stronger devil fruit so idk wtf the argument is
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Apparently there's two ways of translating it. The other way is:
"The Magu Magu no Mi has one of the highest offensive power among the Devil Fruits" and not "The Magu Magu no Mi has the highest offensive power among the Devil Fruits".
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Well does the Quake Quake Fruit have something like that? Because if not, the Magma Magma Fruit should logically be stronger than a casual usage of the fruit that was done via Whitebeard just yelling
Plus Akainu still scales to Whitebeard on his own
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Idk who said "one of"
The kanji used "最高峰" means the absolute highest.
If it's that Artur translation, it's wrong, cause he said tier when the kanji for that isn't there at all.
Quake2 has "strongest Paramecia"
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Even without that quote Akainu should still scale to Whitebeard, as his magma attack could match one of his quake (before he was fully affected by his illness).
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Mihawk > Shanks kinda weird for me
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Too bad because that's what the statement says.
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What statement?
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I can't believe this is still contested......
People seriously need to just accept the facts and move on smh.
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If Dragon Kaido needed to use his "strongest ******* move" to hurt Oden, and a injured Oden then used his "strongest ******* move" to almost oneshot Dragon Kaido, then again, saying that Dragon Kaido>Oden makes no sense. The only time we saw Dragon Kaido hurt Oden, was with Boro Breath.
Well it seems like somebody just put random bs in it today.
No, but the fact that the was formerly his captain, and Big Mom and Kaido have an alliance RIGHT NOW, would explain why Rocks is in the list.
???? You were the one who made a headcanon by saying that Kaido fought Garp even though he didn't.
I was talking about Shiki and Kaido.
Mihawk seems also bored and tried testing his strength against Whitebeard in Marineford. Kaido is even more bored to the point of being suicidal and if he truly wasn't looking for strong people and fights them, he wouldn't have traveled to Marineford to fight WB.
When I asked you why Akainu would be in Kaido's list, you said "People have feats so they scale. Simple." How does Akainu scale to Rocks, Roger, Primebeard, Oden, and Shanks when a old, sick, and heavily injured WB took Akainu temporarily out of the fight with two 2 hits?
You wanna tell me that the people who saw Kaido outside of Wano just so randomly know that he's stronger now than he was 20 years ago even though they never met him 20 years ago? Where is the logic in that. Kaido traveled with King to Marineford but was stopped by Shanks and his crew, and then jumped off Skypiea post-timeskip, landing before the Kidd Alliance. NOBODY of them would know how strong Kaido was 20 years ago, NOBODY of them met him 20 years ago, NOBODY of them was in Wano when Oden fought Kaido.
How
Would
People
Know
If
He
Became
Stronger
If
They
Never
Met
Him
20
Years
Ago
Nobody
Outside
Of
Wano
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There
When
Oden
Fought
Kaido
So
How
Would
They
Know
If
Kaido
Got
Stronger
Or
Not.
WB was still a old, sick, and heavily injured man when he fought Akainu, yet he took Akainu out with 2 hits. Scaling Akainu to Whitebeard's prime, where WB was healthy and stronger, makes no sense to me.
So the Silhouette of Zoro, the Silhouette of Killer, and the Silhouettes of the Scabbards would join the Silhouettes of Rocks, Roger, WB, Oden, and Shanks? Is that it? I mean, they hurt Kaido after all. Are we really just gonna assume that it's a list of people who can hurt him even though Prime Garp and Roger needed to combine their powers to take Rocks down, and Kaido is still ******** his pants while thinking about Oden?
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@Unforgiven0815; do not write your posts vertically like that. I know KingTempest started it but I think he was just trying to make a point.
No point in responding back to him the same way just to antagonize each other. KT, I think it'd be better if you avoided it as well if that's alright.
No point in responding back to him the same way just to antagonize each other. KT, I think it'd be better if you avoided it as well if that's alright.
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Fair enough.
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Does anyone have an AP list with all the characters in a format like this:
12 Teratons: Whitebeard, Akainu, etc
It'd be nice to have a clear list of who is scaling to what value.
12 Teratons: Whitebeard, Akainu, etc
It'd be nice to have a clear list of who is scaling to what value.
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If it makes you feel any better, that’s only based on the information from now, and anything could change later down the line.
a Profile of an ongoing series isn’t static, it is evolving along side the progression of the story.
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They all scale to the same value
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Isn't that a simple scaling chain? Oden with Hao > Dragon Kaido > Oden
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Soo... whats going on hereee
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Dragon Kaido couldn't beat Base Oden, so why would he be above him? He used Boro Breath against him at least once and Oden was only hurt by it, while Oden used Togen Totsuka once (while injured at that) and permanently scarred Kaido and had him bleeding from his mouth too.
Going by that logic, it would be Oden with Hao > Dragon Kaido with Boro Breath > Base Oden; and even then, it would be wrong, since the difference is that Oden's attack severely injured Kaido while Dragon Kaido's strongest attack didn't really do much to Base Oden.
The lack of content that the fight had in the manga doesn't really help it.
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So people don't understand powerscaling
Boro Breath wounded Base Oden. It doesn't matter that he didn't KO him, it wounded him and pushed him back, which makes it to where it's superior.
And stop calling Boro Breath Kaido's strongest attack. That's never stated.
Boro Breath wounded Base Oden. It doesn't matter that he didn't KO him, it wounded him and pushed him back, which makes it to where it's superior.
And stop calling Boro Breath Kaido's strongest attack. That's never stated.
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Exactly, its more like his standard range attack, like the Kamehameha for Goku.
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"If people don't agree with my opinion, they don't understand powerscaling"
That's...that's not how it works. If it could only wound Base Oden, why would that put him above Base Oden? That's like saying that if a randomass character managed to hurt Base Goku, they'd be above Ultra Instinct Goku lmao. The Scabbards managed to hurt Dragon Kaido, are they above him now? Luffy managed to hurt Hybrid Kaido, is he above him? Just because Dragon Kaido managed to hurt Base Oden with his STRONGEST attack, doesn't mean that he's>Base Oden.
Because it obviously has to be told to us that it's his strongest attack in his Dragon form.
Yeah no. Kaido has never shown a stronger attack in his Dragon form.
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I mean...when we literally haven't seen him use a stronger move in his Dragon form, why would someone not assume that Boro Breath is his strongest attack in his Dragon form? I doubt he'll pull a stronger attack with his Dragon form out, now that we are this far into the Rooftop fight.
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We just stop entertaining Unforgiven and close this now?
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No. Barely any mod have agreed or even others
I think he gave some good points.
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He's shoved down "He can't scale above Oden Yadayadayada he couldn't put him down with his strongest attack" for half a page
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That's true but you kinda made him do that.... Kinda
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@MonkeyOfLife; would you mind explaining which of hits points that you thought were good?
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Probably because if we go by your logic, Scabbards>Dragon Kaido and Luffy>Hybrid Kaido.
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Tho not sure about Zoro part
but again
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What's the argument against this?
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You mean the scabbards who have antifeats of superiority?
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So this is all because I said
Fine. I'll remove it
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