One Piece: God Tier Scaling

[KingTempest]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-oh-shit-giant-hands-and-flaming-feet-actually-do-be-strong.127960/

This thread took a turn for the worst where we had to end up tackling the scaling of the god tiers, like usual.

A while ago I made a sandbox working on the scaling of the god tiers in the verse.

Here's basically how it goes.

Scaling​

Akainu has the highest offensive power of all devil fruits, which means his AP scales above the casual Whitebeard Feat.

Aokiji is equal for reasons I shouldn't have to explain, I.E. matching him.

Sick Whitebeard consistently swats away/matches hits from Akainu.

A prime Whitebeard matched Kozuki Oden.

A stronger Kozuki Oden matched Kaido.

A stronger Kaido matched Big Mom. Kaido is also stated in the Ace novel to have the highest battle power of all the Yonko.

The Whitebeard pirates have blocked and matched hits from the Red and Blue Admirals and backscale from WB. I am not elaborating on this again. We've had several discussions about it and I won't hesitate to make a discussion rule against it if I hear it again.

Kizaru is relative to Marco.

Rayleigh fought Kizaru.

Shiki and Chinjao are equal to Roger and Garp.

Mihawk > Shanks

Beckman's equal to Shanks

Blackbeard backscales from Ace w/out Gura, then scales to Sengoku and Garp with it.

What Should we do?​

They all scale, just new scaling chains.

 

[Eminiteable]

A stronger Kozuki Oden matched Kaido.

I agree with everything else, but since last thread "one/two hands" were a big thing deciding scaling I think I should mention that Oden only ever used one of his sword's to match Base Kaido, and against WB it was two swords.

 

[Nierre]

"one/two hands"

Ah is this a thing in One Piece as well? I guess that doesn't surprise me but it's like Bleach all over again lol

 

[KingTempest]

Ah is this a thing in One Piece as well? I guess that doesn't surprise me but it's like Bleach all over again lol

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-combined-attacks.125403/

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

This seems stupidly simple what's the issue?

 

[KingTempest]

This seems stupidly simple what's the issue?

There should be none, it's just changing the scaling chains

 

[KingTempest]

I agree with everything else, but since last thread "one/two hands" were a big thing deciding scaling I think I should mention that Oden only ever used one of his sword's to match Base Kaido, and against WB it was two swords.

"Comparable to base Kaido" via the implications of the fight then

 

[Nierre]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-combined-attacks.125403/

Oh I forgot about that thread... I even responded in it too...

Anyways since this is just changing scaling chains, there isn't anything here to really disagree with

 

[RazumaHiroki]

This seems stupidly simple what's the issue?

There is a certain someone who forces us to do that.

 

[RazumaHiroki]

Anyways, i agree with the scaling chain.

 

[Eminiteable]

"Comparable to base Kaido" via the implications of the fight then

Yeah that works.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This all looks good

 

[Theendzero13]

Agree with the scaling

 

[SMari00]

Agree with everything

 

[XDragnoir]

Meh, good job ig, now i hope we will not het more issues about the scaling in that thread.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Can’t see much to criticize in regards to the scaling as of now, so good job would look even better with references

 

[Damage3245]

would look even better with references

I agree. Since the whole 1-handed / 2-handed thing is a relevant topic like Emin mentioned, that should be taken into account with the list in the OP.

1-handed Whitebeard was stopping Akainu's attacks; so is two-handed Whitebeard twice as strong as Akainu's DF?

1-handed Shanks matched Whitebeard, so is 2-handed Shanks/Mihawk twice as strong as Whitebeard?

 

[Duedate8898]

I do have questions on the Shanks stuff. Why is Mihawk stronger (I saw the statement about being the strongest swordsmen but since he and Shanks havent fought in all this time should they still scale to one another, and for what reason do we place his first mate as equal?

Also why is the Oden that fought Whitebeard, weaker than the one that fought Kaido?

 

[Eminiteable]

I do have questions on the Shanks stuff. Why is Mihawk stronger (I saw the statement about being the strongest swordsmen but since he and Shanks havent fought in all this time should they still scale to one another, and for what reason do we place his first mate as equal?

For the mihawk scaling

For Beckman he's stated equal in his vivre card to shanks

 

[KingTempest]

I do have questions on the Shanks stuff. Why is Mihawk stronger (I saw the statement about being the strongest swordsmen but since he and Shanks havent fought in all this time should they still scale to one another,

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mihawk-crt.113476/

and for what reason do we place his first mate as equal?

Stated to be equal via databook

Also why is the Oden that fought Whitebeard, weaker than the one that fought Kaido?

Returning (2nd Wano Oden) many times stronger than when he'd left (1st Wano Oden/Pirate Oden)

 

[KingTempest]

would look even better with references

Yeah this makes sense

 

[XDragnoir]

1-handed Shanks matched Whitebeard, so is 2-handed Shanks/Mihawk twice as strong as Whitebeard?

Good thing Shanks has a single arm, no Mihawk is just > current Shanks, he doesn't scale above what Shanks could theoretically do with 2 hands.

 

[KingTempest]

Shit do we wanna use fullpower Yonko as 24 TT?

 

[Duedate8898]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mihawk-crt.113476/

Stated to be equal via databook

Returning (2nd Wano Oden) many times stronger than when he'd left (1st Wano Oden/Pirate Oden)

Cool. Then I support most of this I think. Though the addition of scans for a lot of this would be nice, just to have the proof on page for for the scaling instead of just statements with nothing linked.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Shit do we wanna use fullpower Yonko as 24 TT?

Look boss King, you brought up the limb multiplier and it was accepted, now we have to use the limb multiplier.

 

[KingTempest]

Look boss King, you brought up the limb multiplier and it was accepted, now we have to use the limb multiplier.

oof

 

[Theendzero13]

Look boss King, you brought up the limb multiplier and it was accepted, now we have to use the limb multiplier.

Do we know if whitey used two or one limb for the 12 tons calc?, i don't think he was on panel

 

[Stefano4444]

What about Kaido and Luffy's splitting the sky? Would that feat matter in the God Tier scaling?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

It's a Wano feat, so we're not allowed to use it until the arc finishes.

 

[Eminiteable]

Do we know if whitey used two or one limb for the 12 tons calc?, i don't think he was on panel

he used his voice

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Strongest Vocal Cord in One Piece.

 

[Theendzero13]

he used his voice

Did he ? Like his limbs are not on panel?

Anywhay using the multiplier on this case should be fine right? Considering how casual the feat was

 

[Eminiteable]

Did he ? Like his limbs are not on panel?

Anywhay using the multiplier on this case should be fine right? Considering how casual the feat was

Yeah we see that he's just casually sitting down with Roger and Whitebeard before and after and the only indication of starting the earthquake was Whitebeard shouting and his crew reacting "Pop's is angry". A similar thing happened with Blackbeard on his island where his voice caused an earthquake.

 

[Stefano4444]

Yeah we see that he's just casually sitting down with Roger and Whitebeard before and after and the only indication of starting the earthquake was Whitebeard shouting and his crew reacting "Pop's is angry". A similar thing happened with Blackbeard on his island where his voice caused an earthquake.

Didn't the Anime show Whitebeard and Blackbeard moving their hans to cause the earthquakes?

 

[KingTempest]

Whitebeard's Physicals > Akainu's DF > Whitebeard's DF

WB smacked his attack with 1 hand. That's where it comes from

 

[Eminiteable]

Didn't the Anime show Whitebeard and Blackbeard moving their hans to cause the earthquakes?

At the very least with Blackbeard that doesn't make much sense considering he sent a blast shockwave inside a building, surrounded by fodder on his body.

 

[Peter1129]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mihawk-crt.113476/

Stated to be equal via databook

Returning (2nd Wano Oden) many times stronger than when he'd left (1st Wano Oden/Pirate Oden)

Wait hold on wasn’t many considered at least 4 due to being bigger than several which is at least 3?

 

[KingTempest]

Wait hold on wasn’t many considered a 4x multiplier due to being bigger than several which is at least 3?

We're not considering that because there's no valid reason to consider him that much stronger than everyone else, or else the Yonko power balance wouldn't be a power balance since they'd utterly stomp everyone else.

 

[Peter1129]

We're not considering that because there's no valid reason to consider him that much stronger than everyone else, or else the Yonko power balance wouldn't be a power balance since they'd utterly stomp everyone else.

Feels weird straight up ignoring a statement like that but yeah that’s understandable.

 

[Eminiteable]

Feels weird straight up ignoring a statement like that but yeah that’s understandable.

Alternatively the statement is referring to Oden at his strongest; him using haoshoku coating which is what he used to scar Kaido,