One Piece: Dinkleberg Quinkleturd Big Planet Shake

[Damage3245]

Then you're in denial. That's all I can say because it sounds like you're disagreeing to disagree. Everything you've said here has been debunked, over and over.

The last thread accepted that crucial argument.

I respectfully disagree.

Nobody said a Mag 6 earthquake can destroy the entire planet. We said a Mag 6 earthquake can reach the entire planet. If you want to say "he can't destroy it in 1 attack", then Mag 6 earthquakes overtime a long ass time can pull out that effect.

I wasn't saying anyone said that. I pointed that out just to show that the statement can mean multiple things.

You don't know how earthquakes work. Repeated mag 1, 2, 3, 4, and even 5 earthquakes wouldn't cause the damage needed to pull out the destruction of a mag 6 quake unless Whitebeard stood there for dozens to hundreds of years just constantly quaking every second. Even repeated mag 6 quakes would just prolong the time needed for him to do freaking wall level damage to the other side of the planet.

Anybody who agrees with this argument is agreeing for the sake of agreeing or is agreeing out of ignorance.

I never argued that Whitebeard could shake the entire planet in a single attack at Magnitude 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 either.

If the mf is capable of affecting the planet on a scale of destruction accepted in the last thread, he needs no less than Magnitude 6, unless you're saying Whitebeard will constantly quake for hundreds of years until some walls have minor cracks in them.

In the previous thread I never agreed that Whitebeard could affect the entire planet at once.

All the destroy the world statements imply "wide scale destruction". That's the minimum of that damn argument.

Wide scale destruction is achievable without shaking the planet in a single attack.

You're looking for needless specifics.

A mag 6 quake is needed. No prolonging of any other damn quake. A mag 5 won't do the damage of a mag 6 quake, much less anything less.
The destroy the world statements support that there will be mag 6 quakes sent by WB.
The statements don't need all that damn context with every piece of support from the range thread pointing towards WIDE SCALE DESTRUCTION.
"Single attack" it doesn't matter. This isn't "pulv the world" that can be split with a timeframe. "Do this effect with earthquakes" does not have a timeframe or "amount of attacks" assumption.

Do you have any other valid arguments other than "it's the only value in this range"?

When it comes to deciding the legitimacy of a feat - especially a feat that has never happened, then I believe examining the specifics of how the "feat" happens is warranted.

We have multiple feats of Whitebeard in combat which depict the energy his outputting as being around Country level. You want to then add onto that that it is possible he is always actually outputting Moon level amounts of energy based on an interpretation of multiple statements for Whitebeard's capabilities. Except we have never seen these capabilities be fulfilled to match that interpretation.

As I stated in my earlier post, this is a big leap in power for an exceptional feat that has never occurred, and none of the characters who scale to Whitebeard/Blackbeard have this level of potency. I do not believe the statements from different mediums (which are essentially just repeating what the manga says) fulfills the criteria of "If incidents of a similar level are repeated consistently over time, they are unlikely to be outliers." These are not separate incidents being mentioned.


To be honest I'm not sure what other arguments you'd expect me to be making. We're discussing something that has never been witnessed on-screen so I can't just point to a specific panel and say "Look, Whitebeard didn't shake the entire planet here". What matters is just whether you think "destroy the world" can only be explained by shaking the entire planet at Magnitude 6 and I don't think that is necessarily the case.

 

[Antvasima]

Does this mean you're neutral for the proposal of the thread overall? Or just for it scaling to other characters beyond Whitebeard?

I am neutral regarding old Whitebeard being able to casually spam feats on par with absolute peak Kaido and Gear 5 Luffy.

If we are talking about Whitebeard going all-out with his greatest power feats being comparable, that seems much more sensible.

 

[Damage3245]

I am neutral regarding old Whitebeard being able to casually spam feats on par with absolute peak Kaido and Gear 5 Luffy.

If we are talking about Whitebeard going all-out with his greatest power feats being comparable, that seems much more sensible.

Thanks for clarifying. Because I'm pretty sure the current proposal in the OP is that all of Whitebeard's attacks get treated as being "6-B, Possibly 5-C".

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If the statements are just for causing mass devastation then, not one of those statements points to it being solely a single attack. Having the "capability to destroy the world" is not necessarily the same thing as "the capability to destroy the world with one attack". Destroying the world over time also counts as "destroying the world".

This sentence literally implies that tho,
unleashed a small portion of it's power (one attack), an ability capable of destroying the world itself

 

[Damage3245]

This sentence literally implies that tho,
unleashed a small portion of it's power (one attack), an ability capable of destroying the world itself

The line "an ability capable of destroying the world itself" looks like it refers to "the power of the Tremor-Tremor fruit" to me, not the "small portion" part.

 

[Antvasima]

The line "an ability capable of destroying the world itself" looks like it refers to "the power of the Tremor-Tremor fruit!" to me, not the "small portion" part.

Yes. Agreed. It seems to refer to its full power.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The line "an ability capable of destroying the world itself" looks like it refers to "the power of the Tremor-Tremor fruit" to me, not the "small portion" part.

well, that would just be ignoring the whole sentence in my view and only just selecting portions of the full meaning

 

[Damage3245]

well, that would just be ignoring the whole sentence in my view and only just selecting portions of the full meaning

The word "ability" definitely points more towards the Tremor-Tremor fruit to me.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The word "ability" definitely points more towards the Tremor-Tremor fruit to me.

yee the ability he had just unleashed to defeat ace

 

[Kachon123]

I am neutral regarding old Whitebeard being able to casually spam feats on par with absolute peak Kaido and Gear 5 Luffy.

If we are talking about Whitebeard going all-out with his greatest power feats being comparable, that seems much more sensible.

I hope you realize that not only would Kaidou and Luffy simply scale up, but the actual Bajrang Gun calc itself disregards all the Haki that is added to the attack, only accounting for the inflated fist. Despite this, it's not even 3x weaker than the Whitebeard calc.

For reference, strong Buso: Koka allows people to being relative with someone to oneshotting them (Zoro vs Killer), Hao Infusion allows people to go from getting near-oneshot by someone to being relative to that same person (Luffy vs Kaidou), and Buso Emission scales far above Buso: Koka in offensive boost as per Hyogoro's words. Bajrang Gun uses all three of these.

Trying to use the calc to say that the power of Bajrang Gun is below Whitebeard without looking at the confounding variables is, in my opinion making your argument hold almost no weight.

 

[Damage3245]

yee the ability he had just unleashed to defeat ace

Every other statement for the Tremor-Tremor fruit says that the Tremor-Tremor fruit has the power to destroy the world. Not that a small portion of it has the power to destroy the world.

Look at the wording of the sentence;

Whitebeard had unleashed a small portion of the power of his Tremor-Tremor fruit, an ability capable of destroying the world itself.

The Tremor-Tremor fruit is the ability.

So it is essentially saying is:

Whitebeard had unleashed a small portion of the power of [an ability capable of destroying the world itself].

That's why there is a comma after the "Tremor-Tremor fruit" part and an elaboration on what the Tremor-Tremor fruit means in this context.

It's like saying:

Smoker had joined the fifth branch of the Marines, the largest organization in the world.

Because of the way the sentence is structured, the "largest organization" is the Marines, not the fifth branch.

 

[Deceived3596]

This sentence literally implies that tho,
unleashed a small portion of it's power (one attack), an ability capable of destroying the world itself

Bro you didn't even quote the full sentence, he specifically said "unleashed a small portion of the power of his Tremor-Tremor Fruit, an ability capable of destroying the world itself". The subject being discussed here is that his ability, the Tremor-Tremor Fruit, is capable of destroying the world itself. Not the specific output used in this instance. The comma should have explained that because commas are used to give pause to items in sentences, the item being given pause here is the power of his ability in itself, not his use of it in this specific event.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Every other statement for the Tremor-Tremor fruit says that the Tremor-Tremor fruit has the power to destroy the world. Not that a small portion of it has the power to destroy the world.

Bro you didn't even quote the full sentence, he specifically said "unleashed a small portion of the power of his Tremor-Tremor Fruit, an ability capable of destroying the world itself". The subject being discussed here is that his ability, the Tremor-Tremor Fruit, is capable of destroying the world itself. Not the specific output used in this instance. The comma should have explained that because commas are used to separate items in sentences, the item being separated here is the power of his ability in itself, not his use of it in this specific event.

Bro... It literally says he used a small portion of it's power, cable of destroying the world after defeating ace with it, something he didn't use very often against ace (99th duel), ace wanted to overcome that ability as stated and the actual statement comes after this attack of whitebeard (the 100th last duel)

It seems to me you guys are misconstruing the actual sentence and ignoring the rest of the full meaning of it to say that it's only talking about the fruit and not the attack/ability that he had just used...

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Monkey, this isn't an interpretation thing; it's an English language thing. Deceived and Damage are definitely correct about this.

 

[Deceived3596]

Bro... It literally says he used a small portion of it's power, cable of destroying the world after defeating ace with it, something he didn't use very often against ace (99th duel), ace wanted to overcome that ability as stated and the actual statement comes after this attack of whitebeard (the 100th last duel)

It seems to me you guys are misconstruing the actual sentence and ignoring the rest of the full meaning of it to say that it's only talking about the fruit and not the attack/ability that he had just used...

Google what a comma is and stop trying to debate english grammar, against native english speakers, while you're a non-native english speaker. That isn't how a sentence is constructed in english.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Monkey, this isn't an interpretation thing; it's an English language thing. Deceived and Damage are definitely correct about this.

... Well it's hard thing to trust, but I guess I won't argue on it for now

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

... Well it's hard thing to trust

It's really not

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also the thing about Bajrang Gun being above and scales over everything else isn't anywhere implied or stated, idk why some people are acting like it is

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We also have this statement from garp implying Galaxy Impact being stronger than Bajrang Gun btw

 

[Deceived3596]

Can you provide reason why the "strongest first/knuckle explode" is an all encompassing statement that extends to all living entities in the verse or are you just assuming it does because it's stated to be the strongest?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Can you prove the "strongest first/knuckle explode" is an all encompassing statement that extends to all living entities in the verse or are you just assuming it does because it's stated to be the strongest?

It's a title that he has/is known for, similar to others like strongest paramecia, the statement comes after Bajrang Gun, implying it's stronger

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Who said that? It's his normal AP

it was implied by Ant’s message prior to mine so I just wanted to ask the question to make it abundantly clear to everyone

 

[That_moron2]

Can summon Kuchiyose no Jutsu some staff members before this ends up like the black hole thread?

 

[JohnHendrix212]

So, what's the rating looking like?

"6-B, possibly 5-C" for Whitebeard and those that scale to him?

 

[Damage3245]

So, what's the rating looking like?

"6-B, possibly 5-C" for Whitebeard and those that scale to him?

That's the proposal in the OP.

 

[Antvasima]

I hope you realize that not only would Kaidou and Luffy simply scale up, but the actual Bajrang Gun calc itself disregards all the Haki that is added to the attack, only accounting for the inflated fist. Despite this, it's not even 3x weaker than the Whitebeard calc.

For reference, strong Buso: Koka allows people to being relative with someone to oneshotting them (Zoro vs Killer), Hao Infusion allows people to go from getting near-oneshot by someone to being relative to that same person (Luffy vs Kaidou), and Buso Emission scales far above Buso: Koka in offensive boost as per Hyogoro's words. Bajrang Gun uses all three of these.

Trying to use the calc to say that the power of Bajrang Gun is below Whitebeard without looking at the confounding variables is, in my opinion making your argument hold almost no weight.

Okay. I suppose that seems to make sense, but I am not a very good person to ask.

 

[KingTempest]

Where is this "scales to his full power alone" shit coming from

 

[DaReaperMan]

Where is this "scales to his full power alone" shit coming from

Desperate added assumptions

 

[CloverDragon03]

Where is this "scales to his full power alone" shit coming from

To me, it's a ridiculous leap in logic. Whitebeard should just fully scale to whatever rating it yields as is (so in this case, "6-B, possibly 5-C")

 

[Damage3245]

Where is this "scales to his full power alone" shit coming from

I believe only Antvasima has suggested that.

 

[SnookB]

"Unleashes a small portion of his power, the tremor-tremor fruit, an ability capable of destroying the world."
So...
Power here is directly relative to the release of a small portion. That implies Whitebeard can release higher levels of power than CAN achieve world destruction. That sentence makes it sound like the small portion of his power (in a single move) implies a larger portion of said power can indeed bring worldwide destruction.
Nothing says "An ability that AT FULL POWER/at its fullest potential/when released to its full extent>>can destroy the world". That's like saying "The pika pika, which can move at light speed" and then assuming that's not its average, but ITS FULL POTENTIAL (which already got disproven)
Or "The Magu Magu, which AT FULL POWER has the highest offensive capability".
So on and so forth.
If an ability has a statement of certain magnitude, it usually (if not always) applies to its average unless otherwise is explicitly stated.

The stonewalling is actually insane right now.

 

[SnookB]

I believe only Antvasima has suggested that.

That's not what the OP is arguing.
If Antvasima misunderstood, the OP or supporters can explain to him the intent of the thread. It's not something to sidetrack over like it's a main argument.

 

[KingTempest]

In all actuality it's 3-1 and the only other staff who disagreed said don't count his vote so this should be perfectly applicable.

What stops me from implementing this right now?

 

[DaReaperMan]

In all actuality it's 3-1 and the only other staff who disagreed said don't count his vote so this should be perfectly applicable.

What stops me from implementing this right now?

Editing every 6-B OP profile

 

[KingTempest]

Editing every 6-B OP profile

Which I do all the time

 

[DaReaperMan]

Which I do all the time

********* (wait why would that be- sigh google...)

 

[Kachon123]

In all actuality it's 3-1 and the only other staff who disagreed said don't count his vote so this should be perfectly applicable.

What stops me from implementing this right now?

Nothing. Go ahead

 

[KingTempest]

Nothing. Go ahead

Thank you

Adding

 

[KingTempest]

Actually wait, this is intended for getting it accepted like I said

Scaling and new value changes require another thread.