One piece: Eustass Kid vs Queen

[DaReaperMan]

But I'll ignore Queen's arm and still ask for wincons on each side

Kidd: far superior AP/Dura/LS, magnetism being a nasty boon if/when Kidd uses it

Queen: Lasers, some Germa shit, Damn good endurance/stamina

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd has AP, speed, durability, endurance, focus, electricity resistance, and magnetism.

Queen had stamina and dura neg.

Read my ******* post what the hell?

 

[Eseseso]

Why are you picking a single point without addressing the other?

Also, this is incorrect.

Kidd, when hit was Zeus, screamed out, implying that he does not resist electricity.

As for his constructs, what is the proof for this?

He blocked one of Zeus's bolts with his metal arm, and Zeus was forced to swerve around the bolt to hit Kidd.

HE has no electricity resistance but his metal does.

 

[Kachon123]

He blocked one of Zeus's bolts with his metal arm

He raised his arm up. He didn't block anything.

HE has no electricity resistance but his metal does.

Based on?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Kidd FRA

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Kidd has AP, speed, durability, endurance, focus, electricity resistance, and magnetism.

Queen had stamina and dura neg.

Kidd: far superior AP/Dura/LS, magnetism being a nasty boon if/when Kidd uses it

Queen: Lasers, some Germa shit, Damn good endurance/stamina

Seems like Kidd has better/more wincons.
I'll keep my vote.

 

[Eseseso]

He raised his arm up. He didn't block anything.

We see one of the lightning bolts hit the metal arm and no nothing right before Zeus swerves around it.

Also why would Zeus go around it if he could shock Kidd through it?

Based on?

Just said why.

 

[Darkvie123]

He's never done this.

Such as?


That's not how magnetism works.





When has he done this?

Such as?

1) Energy Consumption? If Queen relies on specific abilities ot transformations that consume a significant amount of energy, Kidd could employ hit and run tactics or endurance-based strategies. By forcing Queen to exert himself over an extended period. Kidd can exploit any potential stamina limitations and wear him down. AND we saw how QUEEN WAS EXHAUSTED vs Sanji from the amount of overusing his abilities

2) Vulnerabilities in Cyborg? Queen likely has mechanical components that could be exploited by Kidd's magnetic powers which could interfere with or damage Queen's machinery weakening his overall functionality and reducing his combat effectiveness.

And lastly his overconfidence amd arrogance which is a huge weakness for him? We know Queen displays overconfidence and arrogance during the battle. Kidd could exploit this by luring him into traps or taking advantage of openings created by Queen's complacency. By capitalizing on any moments of underestimation, Kidd could land Assign & Damned Punk and finish him off. So yeah Queen got many weaknesses which Kidd could exploit and beat his ass

 

[Kachon123]

We see one of the lightning bolts hit the metal arm and no nothing right before Zeus swerves around it.

No we don't?

Also why would Zeus go around it if he could shock Kidd through it?

Why would Zeus choose to attack someone's guard when he can simply outmeneuver it?

Just said why.

What?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

No we don't?

Why would Zeus choose to attack someone's guard when he can simply outmeneuver it?

What?

Dude. Stop lying.

 

[Eseseso]

No we don't?

 

[Kachon123]

1) Energy Consumption? If Queen relies on specific abilities ot transformations that consume a significant amount of energy, Kidd could employ hit and run tactics or endurance-based strategies. By forcing Queen to exert himself over an extended period. Kidd can exploit any potential stamina limitations and wear him down. AND we saw how QUEEN WAS EXHAUSTED vs Sanji from the amount of overusing his abilities

What the hell?

The entire point of Queen's cybernetics is that they take absolutely 0 stamina. Hence why they were called an "endless shower of lasers."

2) Vulnerabilities in Cyborg? Queen likely has mechanical components that could be exploited by Kidd's magnetic powers which could interfere with or damage Queen's machinery weakening his overall functionality and reducing his combat effectiveness.

Again, that is not how Magnetism works, and I addressed whether Kidd would or would not attack Queen's metal limbs above.

We know Queen displays overconfidence and arrogance during the battle. Kidd could exploit this by luring him into traps or taking advantage of openings created by Queen's complacency.

Which won't happen due to him being on the backropes while trying to dodge Queen's laser danmaku?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Dude. Stop lying.

 

[Kachon123]

Dude. Stop lying.

We literally see Zeus weave. We never see him hit Kidd's metal arm. The anime literally supports this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The anime literally supports this.

Anime is not canon

 

[Darkvie123]

What the hell?

The entire point of Queen's cybernetics is that they take absolutely 0 stamina. Hence why they were called an "endless shower of lasers."

Again, that is not how Magnetism works, and I addressed whether Kidd would or would not attack Queen's metal limbs above.

Which won't happen due to him being on the backropes while trying to dodge Queen's laser danmaku?

1. Which was proven wrong in the end when Sanji said that he was exhausted??

2. How so?

3. Pre TS Zoro could dodge laser beams. Kidd can easily do it too

 

[Eseseso]

We literally see Zeus weave. We never see him hit Kidd's metal arm. The anime literally supports this.

Look at Kidd's arm and you'll see that a bolt hits it and does squat.


Could've sworn @Fireld mentioned this in a CRT

 

[Kachon123]

Anime is not canon

Regarding the canon: In terms of canon material, this wiki deems the manga as the primary canon. The anime is considered secondary canon on a case by case basis. In the case of anime, it contradicts statements, feats, personalities, and abilities of characters in many cases. This happens with censorship, filler content in canon material, and pacing. Since we have confirmation that Oda approves certain scenes in the anime, we've decided to take the anime as canon in the areas where it perfectly or similarly represents the manga, and the scenes not shown in the manga that are represented in the anime will be deemed as filler. It was decided in this thread.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

We literally see Zeus weave. We never see him hit Kidd's metal arm. The anime literally supports this.

A bolt clearly hit the arm. Otherwise there would be no reason for Zeus to weave in the first place.

 

[Eseseso]

A bolt clearly hit the arm. Otherwise there would be no reason for Zeus to weave in the first place.

THIS.

 

[Kachon123]

1. Which was proven wrong in the end when Sanji said that he was exhausted??

Exhausted from taking a plethora of attacks and running around chasing Sanji?

2. How so?

Magnetism doesn't just "mess with" mechanical attacks. That's not how it works.

3. Pre TS Zoro could dodge laser beams. Kidd can easily do it too

Are you trolling?

 

[Eseseso]

Also, what's the tally?

5-2, I think?

 

[Kachon123]

A bolt clearly hit the arm. Otherwise there would be no reason for Zeus to weave in the first place.

It went toward Kidd and then weaved.

 

[Kachon123]

Also, what's the tally?

5-2, I think?

6-3

Kidd: Eseseso, TMM, Popted, Nanaya, Darkvie, DaReaperMan
Queen: Kachon, ZKillerz, Lynieryz

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It went toward Kidd and then weaved.

No, Zeus went toward Kidd and weaved.
A regular bolt had still hit the arm though.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

3. Pre TS Zoro could dodge laser beams. Kidd can easily do it too

No he couldn't. Kizaru was literally embarrassing him.

 

[Eseseso]

6-3

Kidd: Eseseso, TMM, Popted, Nananya, Darkvie, DaReaperMan
Queen: Kachon, ZKillerz, Lynieryz

Thank you!

 

[Kachon123]

No, Zeus went toward Kidd and weaved.

That's literally what I said

 

[Darkvie123]

Exhausted from taking a plethora of attacks and running around chasing Sanji?

Magnetism doesn't just "mess with" mechanical attacks. That's not how it works.

Are you trolling?

1. Nothing proves it was onnly bc of the attacks from Sanji? Spamming danmaku lasers and all his abilities also wears him down

2. Bro Queen literally has a mech arm and a mech gun in his mouth lol Kidd's Magnetism will def have effect

3. No im deadass not? Dodging lasers is nothing new lol Beginning Of Timeskip Luffy literally dodged Danmaku lasers from Pacifistas who got the same laser beams as Kizaru?

 

[Kachon123]

Spamming danmaku lasers and all his abilities also wears him down

Based on?

2. Bro Queen literally has a mech arm and a mech gun in his mouth lol Kidd's Magnetism will def have effect

Read above.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That's literally what I said

No, you're just acting like a bolt never hit his arm (and thus he and his mech have no resistance to it) when it clearly did.

 

[Darkvie123]

No he couldn't. Kizaru was literally embarrassing him.

Might have stretched there but BOTS Luffy literally dodged Danmaku in base

 

[Kachon123]

when it clearly did.

Which is based on nothing.

 

[Kachon123]

Might have stretched there but BOTS Luffy literally dodged Danmaku in base

3 projectiles ≠ Danmaku.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

3. No im deadass not? Dodging lasers is nothing new lol Beginning Of Timeskip Luffy literally dodged Danmaku lasers from Pacifistas who got the same laser beams as Kizaru?

Association fallacy. Not every laser is made the same and the distance and method of the feat is very important.

 

[Darkvie123]

Based on?

Based on common knowledge that a character gets exhausted from spamming abilities? Examples like Law and Kidd wearing them down their Awakenings?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Which is based on nothing.

A bolt clearly hit the arm. Otherwise there would be no reason for Zeus to weave in the first place.

"ZMMF" sound effect, and a bolt literally hitting his mech and dispersing.

 

[Darkvie123]

Association fallacy. Not every laser is made the same and the distance and method of the feat is very important.

Pacifistas lasers is literally Kizarus laser

 

[Lynieryz]

I don't know if I'm being dumb but I don't see how Eustass would handle Queen spamming range attacks with Eustass having "Tens of Meters" in range and Queen "hunderds[It looks exactly like this in the profile] of meters with Lasers"? If Queen stays out of Eustass' range, he wins.

 

[Kachon123]

Based on common knowledge that a character gets exhausted from spamming abilities? Examples like Law and Kidd wearing them down their Awakenings?

You haven't sent any proof of Queen's lasers wearing him off.

Tech doesn't take stamina.