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When you say downscale, do you mean Scabbard level?
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One Piece Chapter 1069: "All things are brought into this world with hope" (Official Translation)
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When Luffy did that ground punch move, he calls it Mogura Pistol, which makes me headcannon that he named that move after Katakuri given his weapon is also called that and that move is really similar to Katakuri's awakening moves
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and no Advanced Armament
in fact I don't think it had any Haki at all
I THOUGHT THIS TOO!
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Mogura did have the effect of making things bulge out before they explode when the force of it went out the other side, right?
Same thing happened here, minus the explosion. He hit the ground, ground bulged out and hit Lucci. Definitely inspiration
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Also I expect Blackbeard to maybe have suspicions about Luffy's true colors regarding his DF as he studies the DF book and hasn't seen his fruit in it, and is also known for researching history a lot, but why doesn't Sanji know about his fruit not being in the Encyclopedia?
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You sure he's not High 6-A? Like I said, he's clearly not Emperor level, since Luffy could easily avoid his attacks, but he could still at least somewhat clash with Luffy. It's the same as Zoro being capable of landing some grazing blows on Kaido. Doesn't mean he actually scales to Kaido yet, but he's at least somewhat comparable.
I mean, when Lucci and Luffy clashed, both of their fists were blackened, heavily implied to be Armament Haki. Doesn't the fact that he was capable of momentarily clashing with this mean he should at least downscale?
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Possibly. Also, Zoro scarred Kaidou lol. His AP is far above Lucci's and maybe comparable to Kaidou's somewhat.
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I suppose that's fair. Though I don't imagine Kizaru's going to have much better luck against Luffy with everything Luffy's gone through. Then again, maybe Kizaru's been holding back. We'll just have to wait next chapter to see.
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I'm confident he'll get fodderized next chapter.
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I got a feeling too.
Tbh I'm hoping for it if anything. Lucci felt very.. unthreatening? Literally just a "he's there I guess" presence in the greatness that was the lore drops/nika shenanigans/Yonko status being hyped up to hell
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Yea, there's no way he's going to be an actual threat to Luffy. It's more of a callback to when they first dueled, especially that image of their fists clashing like at Enie's Lobby. Whereas before, Lucci was the one with more advantages over Luffy and the one who had the upper hand for most of the fight, here it's the other way around, and there's nothing Lucci can do to overcome that gap.
It's honestly kind of laughable that Lucci believed he'd be able to pose a threat against Luffy even after having heard of his victory against Kaido.
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I noticed that about Robin too. Maybe that reaction was also due to her being an archaeologist and she was hearing mind-blowing stuff like that about Devil Fruits and Luffy's Gear 5th form?
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And I'm fine with waiting until the next chapter to say Lucci scales to High 6-A, but I still think it's funny how controversial this is despite how scaling has been done in the past. And I'm just going to leave that at that and drop the whole subject.
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Something else I liked about this chapter was why how Vegapunk was trying to explain to the Straw Hats how Luffy's form was like a God and Sanji was going on about how he's an idiot lol.
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They usually come out on Sunday
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This is something that some people have said and I thought about as well.
Up until now we have only seen 2 instances of confirmed Awakened Zoans (now 3 in this chapter). The first one in impel down with the awakened guards, the second time with Gear 5th, and now with Lucci.
It's weird how Lucci, being a carnivorous Zoan (not a mythical Zoan), has the mystical ribbons that we have seen on mythical Zoans like Luffy, Yamato, and Kaido. At first it seemed like a trait exclusive to mythical Zoans, but as shown with this chapter, that's not the case (unless Lucci has a secret mythic Zoan). So one might just think that any awakened Zoan likely gets the mystic ribbons, until you remember the impel down awakened guards had no such ribbons.
Is this Oda just doing something cool for Lucci? Maybe, but I'm not too sure about that as Pythagoras notes that Awakened Zoans tend to have their minds overwhelmed and likely become primal (like what we see with the Impel down Zoans), but Lucci is in full control and his form is interesting enough for Pythagoras to also note compared to other Zoan awakenings he has seen.
So I (and likely plenty others) theorize that Awakened Zoans might have two forms, one that occurs when the user is overwhelmed and becomes this monstrous animal (the Jailer Beasts in Impel Down), and one that occurs whenever the user is in full control of themselves and the fruit. And maybe in this controlled state they obtain the ribbon so as to represent them being in control? We'll likely just have to wait.
Also, I think that the ribbon is something that normal Zoans have to awaken to obtain, but some Mythical Zoans can obtain them without awakening, like Gear 4th Luffy, Zoan and Hybrid Yamato, and Dragon Kaido (although Yamato and Kaido could both possibly be awakened, but we have no confirmation).
Enel is a weird one since he also has a mystic ribbon and he's a logia, not a zoan, but you could argue he purposely created it with his lightning to make his Amaru form seem even more divine.
Up until now we have only seen 2 instances of confirmed Awakened Zoans (now 3 in this chapter). The first one in impel down with the awakened guards, the second time with Gear 5th, and now with Lucci.
It's weird how Lucci, being a carnivorous Zoan (not a mythical Zoan), has the mystical ribbons that we have seen on mythical Zoans like Luffy, Yamato, and Kaido. At first it seemed like a trait exclusive to mythical Zoans, but as shown with this chapter, that's not the case (unless Lucci has a secret mythic Zoan). So one might just think that any awakened Zoan likely gets the mystic ribbons, until you remember the impel down awakened guards had no such ribbons.
Is this Oda just doing something cool for Lucci? Maybe, but I'm not too sure about that as Pythagoras notes that Awakened Zoans tend to have their minds overwhelmed and likely become primal (like what we see with the Impel down Zoans), but Lucci is in full control and his form is interesting enough for Pythagoras to also note compared to other Zoan awakenings he has seen.
So I (and likely plenty others) theorize that Awakened Zoans might have two forms, one that occurs when the user is overwhelmed and becomes this monstrous animal (the Jailer Beasts in Impel Down), and one that occurs whenever the user is in full control of themselves and the fruit. And maybe in this controlled state they obtain the ribbon so as to represent them being in control? We'll likely just have to wait.
Also, I think that the ribbon is something that normal Zoans have to awaken to obtain, but some Mythical Zoans can obtain them without awakening, like Gear 4th Luffy, Zoan and Hybrid Yamato, and Dragon Kaido (although Yamato and Kaido could both possibly be awakened, but we have no confirmation).
Enel is a weird one since he also has a mystic ribbon and he's a logia, not a zoan, but you could argue he purposely created it with his lightning to make his Amaru form seem even more divine.
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If this is true, are the ribbons the representation of wisdom?
Someone tell me what those ancient Japanese ribbons represent. The one's worn by deities similarly to the Mystic Ribbons!
Someone tell me what those ancient Japanese ribbons represent. The one's worn by deities similarly to the Mystic Ribbons!
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I remember Kuzan specifically talking about how Ace was a bad matchup for him. Normally Kuzan should be comfortably above Ace, but they are equal due to fruit power interactions
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And to add on to this, this COULD (not for certain) mean that Monster Point is Choppers awakened bestial form. It's very similar to the Jailer Beasts in that it's basically a bipedal animal/monster. But the interesting point is that he has full control of this form in the post time skip. Going off of my earlier theory, this should mean he has achieved his wise/controlled awakening, but he looks basically the same as he does in the pre time skip and doesn't have mystic ribbons (which I suggest could mean a wise and in control awakened Zoan).
This should mean that either Choppers monster point isn't his awakening and just simply a mutation through the rumble balls, or the ribbon idea is debunked. I think it's neither of these choices.
I think that the reason Chopper has a bestial awakening even though he's in full control of Monster Point, is because he achieves this form through unnatural means, his rumble balls. These ball are basically forcing his body to undergo through drastic change, change that isn't natural or done by himself. And because of this unnatural forced transformation, he's unable to achieve his wise/Controlled awakening that requires one to naturally control their fruit.
So basically because Chopper is cheating, he can't get mystic ribbons lol.
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That's just my theory though lol.
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good theory
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Thank you!
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Of course I could very well be wrong and it is just a rumble ball form lol.
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I don't know. Ace seems to have good physicals and so does Kuzan iirc. His Haki is better, but I think Ace has better Observation, and has Conqueror's.
The fruit equality thing is true.
I'd argue they're equal.
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Choppers body whenever he eats a rumble ball:
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That's a pretty interesting theory! It does seem like it might mean something since multiple characters have that ribbon now.
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Wait katakuri is high 6a
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Not currently.
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Maybe. My first thought was the fact that she may have heard about Nika from the slaves building tequilla wolf bridge or read it on a pongelyph
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Yeah I told this to a friend yesterday too since they asked why Lucci has the swirly patterns even though he's not a mythical! What a coincidence. The ribbon/swirls is likely a sign of a fully mastered Zoan awakening. Body and mind caught up and honed.
While the more brute animalistic awakenings of the jailors are like that because they're imperfect and lean too heavily on the animal side.
Though this might confirm Kaido has no awakening, since we never saw the ribbon around any of his forms
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That didn't occur to me, but I can see that being true.
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Dragon form Kaido had kind-of-similar flame ribbons around his shoulders
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Global warming my ass these two mf cool af. I don't care about the scaling anymore...vibe is no1.
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