DaMonkeMan
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Again, this depends.
G5 is not a gigantic strength amp alone, it doesn't automatically make Luffy a god or anything, Luffy has to really tap into the toon force, size manip, etc to get the best stat amps out of it.
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One Piece: Awakened Lucci
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G5 is not a gigantic strength amp alone, it doesn't automatically make Luffy a god or anything, Luffy has to really tap into the toon force, size manip, etc to get the best stat amps out of it.
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This entire debate isn't needed and is needlessly prolonging this thread.
If Gear 5 Luffy, without the usage of Haki negating one's conventional durability or enhancing his stats, is capable of damaging someone whose High 6-A then Gear 5 Luffy is High 6-A as a baseline, even before you factor in Haki enhancing him. It isn't complicated, appealing to absurdity doesn't debunk what actually happens in the manga.
If someone then equally clashes with Gear 5 Luffy, then they would also be High 6-A as well unless you can prove Luffy was significantly holding back during their encounter or was weakened beyond his normal High 6-A stats.
If Gear 5 Luffy, without the usage of Haki negating one's conventional durability or enhancing his stats, is capable of damaging someone whose High 6-A then Gear 5 Luffy is High 6-A as a baseline, even before you factor in Haki enhancing him. It isn't complicated, appealing to absurdity doesn't debunk what actually happens in the manga.
If someone then equally clashes with Gear 5 Luffy, then they would also be High 6-A as well unless you can prove Luffy was significantly holding back during their encounter or was weakened beyond his normal High 6-A stats.
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He never noted that, it was used as the catalyst for Luffy to train his buso so he could ultimately have his internal destruction buso bloom to save Hyogoro. We see a direct example that Luffy using emission didn't make his buso more powerful as he was effortlessly overpowered by Big Mom. Before he unlocked Hao infusion the only type of buso he used against Kaidou was internal destruction as the visual indicator for emission was never present.
I made a solid actual argument and countered your arguments against it. But if you're done here by all means I'll accept a burden of rejoinder concession.
Struggling to see the relevance to the post you responded to?
Like KingTempest said, upgrade Sentomaru's reactions.
DaMonkeMan
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Upgrade them to... what? I don't even know how fast Lucci is because again, he practically has no speed feats post ts. Dude couldn't even hit Luffy.
This just means Big Mom was more powerful than him even when he used better Haki at that moment which is consistent as the same happened in WCI and we know Big Mom was above him at that moment.
Also, the " visual indicator" for Emission is simply him not touching Kaidou.
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Yup. Let's not mention the part where he literally sees the giant mouth in front of him and yells " Straw Hat!? " either.
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And he dodged it right after. Luffy wasn't waiting for him to enter his mouth
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That's evidence for why he scales, because he's able to perceive and react towards Luffy's movements.......
That isn't a counter, that's evidence against your assertion.....
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It's a giant immobile mouth **** you mean he was able to perceive and react it
DaMonkeMan
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See, THIS is the weird part that Oda f'ed up, because technically Guernica would be above Lucci for taking attacks from Apoo Drake and Kaidou and still being conscious long enough to snag a photo of Luffy, while Lucci passed out from about 3 basic G5 attacks.
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Boy what are you doing here you don’t read One Piece
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Not really, all the CP0 masked agents are comparable to each other from what we've seen.
Lucci just stacks a hybrid form and an awakening on top of that. Guernica staying conscious is support for why Luffy can clash with base G5, not an anti-feat.
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I don't know if you're blind or being dishonest, but the mouth wasn't immobile during this feat.
What Lucci dodged was the action of Luffy's mouth trying to bite him, his mouth wasn't "immobile" during this, this was something which required relative perception and combat speed to dodge, which is what Lucci did.
You deadass can't argue otherwise, that's what directly happens in that panel.
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Like what has already been clearly explained to you, he scales to FTL from his feats against Luffy. If you're struggling to remember just scroll up and have a re-read of my message.
Right and that's literally all emission is, projecting your haki outwards to either strike by not touching or by creating defensive barriers. This was already explained to you.
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Dude was amping his speed and everything and Luffy still surprised him with a giant head.
Hell.. The only reason he even got away is because he wasn't close enough to get bitten, come to think of it.
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We literally see the zipping line of his movement going thorugh the rubble. Luffy just missed
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Lucci would inherently have to be comparable to Luffy during this instance to actually dodge his attack, no if, and or buts about it. Lucci was also close enough originally before he dodged, which is why he dodged in the first place, because he would've been eaten by Luffy if he didn't. Showing again why he's comparable in speed to Luffy.
Also he was "surprised" by Luffy's head poping out of the ground from nowhere, not that he was perception blitz'd by Luffy's speed. We know this to be true because in the very next panel he dodges an attack from Luffy.
Stop arguing this point dude, you're patently wrong about this.
Also can you prove that Lucci was amping his speed during this encounter, and can you prove the actual multiplier he was amplifying it by?
DaMonkeMan
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He says "Shave!/Soru" which is a known speed amplifier used by Cipher Pol Agents and some Marines.
It's still just a giant mouth, it really isn't that hard to dodge especially when it's a couple feet away from you.
Lucci would inherently have to be comparable to Luffy during this instance to actually dodge his attack, no if, and or buts about it. Lucci was also close enough originally before he dodged, which is why he dodged in the first place, because he would've been eaten by Luffy if he didn't. Showing again why he's comparable in speed to Luffy.
Also he was "surprised" by Luffy's head poping out of the ground from nowhere, not that he was perception blitz'd by Luffy's speed. We know this to be true because in the very next panel he dodges an attack from Luffy.
Stop arguing this point dude, you're patently wrong about this.
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That argument could apply for Kaido biting Luffy too and yet snakeman with future sight couldn't react to Kaido's bite. just a giant mouth after all
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Is it a constant multiplier or does it only remain active for a couple seconds?
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It's a giant mouth which moves at FTL speeds, if you're able to dodge it you'd have FTL reaction and combat speeds. You can't be this clueless bruh.
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Could've sworn soru is a technique as opposed to an amp
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Yeah I don’t think ppl realize it wasn’t as if Luffy was charging at Lucci
he widened his mouth and was planning to chomp down. For all we know, Lucci could have jumped before Luffy bit down
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Except you literally see Luffy dive forward.Yeah I don’t think ppl realize it wasn’t as if Luffy was charging at Lucci
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What? Send the scan where Luffy is diving forward
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Starts off underground entirely except for the head
When he bites down his legs are up. He either jumped forward or dove with his body to bite down, he didn't wait for Lucci otherwise his body would stay underground.
And Lucci's dodge has his speed lines coming out of the dust Luffy kicked up in the moment. Lucci dodged where Luffy bit down.
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We don't see the rest of his body at first because of his goofy ahh Megamind chrome dome
DaMonkeMan
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I'm sorry it's just people have been wanking him so hard and I don't see the appeal.
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You've been downplaying him so hard you mean.
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I'm not the one wanking him to High 6A
get off your high horse ffs.
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You're downplaying him to rock and ground level, LMAO.
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I'm sorry Monke, but you're claiming that people are wanking him when it's entirely possible you're also just flat out downplaying his feats.
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah needing Armament to punch a random rock is so cool and powerful. He's totally YC1 Level guys trust me I'm not being biased he clashed with Luffy guys this means he's Emperor level trust me
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LMAO you sound like a 5yo kid
I guess we will have to downgrade pre TS Lucci to be below rock/ground level then, and downgrade everyone before Enies Lobby to be 5x less than rock level.
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