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Natsu vs Siegfried Redux

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But Natsu doesn't have Ranks, so what would he be reduced by, even in verse equalization, Natsu's attacks don't have ranks, so they can't be reduced to a lower rank, because magic in his verse doesn't work on a rank system, so what would happen

You can't just assign random ranks to Natsu
 
But Rin doesn't have Ranks either. The only equivalent thing is how long the verses to a particular magecraft is depending power and complexity and whatever. But even if this was equivalent to Ranks, Rin used gems for an immediate discharge of magecraft without any incantation. She still needs the equivalent of A Rank Magefract. By your proposal, any non servant really couldn't care less about Rank based abilities, but that's not the case.

And Natsu is not different.
 
@Aubin

Ranks is the same thing as when you have numbers for calcs. A+ rank is like baseline High 7-A, A is half of that, A rank is 1.25 times better than B rank, etc.

@Lance

So Zirconis is 7-A and Wendy who is Low 7-B negated his durability with her Dragon Slaying Magic to the point where a single attack from her made him shout in pain. So even if 400 megatons were subtracted from Natsu's Ap, the boost his attacks do from DSM would be more than enough to compensate for it.
 
It indeed should be, though I'd like to see what Monarch or Anonymous say on their own side.

Granted, that tips the balance more to the middle as now Siegfried knows his opponent can damage him substantially if he lays a hit. Which in character would make him pretty excited and prone to enjoying the fight, though also much more open to Balmung as AoF isn't gonna cut it anymore. And no, he takes longer for consecutive shots than Sieg but he's not gonna have a limited number.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Yeah, it let a low 7-B hurt a 7-A.
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If that happened once I'm not sure if that should count as DN. It seems more like outlier. But if that happened with other characters clearly stronger than Wendy (Laxus, Gajeel or Natsu) with no power ups and they did the same effect then I'll concede.
 
It happened with Sting and Rogue too. That was the whole point of that arc, that the Dragon Slayer's were the only one whose magic was not resisted and that their attacks did damage to the Dragons.
 
Alright. I've the memory of the DS complaying that even they couldn't do sh*t in the battle despite their magic.
 
That was because some of them were matched up against Dragons whose body structures just made the attacks ineffective. Cobra fought the stone Dragon but his poison magic was useless since the Dragon was completely inorganic.
 
Gah, I don't know enough about Fairy Tail.

So we have confirmed that Natsu is bypassing Armor of Faf-kun?

If he's not then I vote Siegfried low-diff via just tanking Natsu's onslaught and hittin with sword.

If he is then I'd actually still give it to Sumenai but higher-diff. Natsu's dura negation evens the odds, but Siegfried is gonna realize that quite quickly and start fighting to win as fast as possible. Natsu may be experienced, but I think someone whose swordsmanship has transcended man and approached gods is gonna outskill pretty much any guild member who isn't an extreme veteran like Makarov. Couple that with Balmung and comparable stats and I think he'd pull through.
 
The skill difference isn't that big, Natsu fought demons like Mard Greer that are hundreds of years old and can memorize the patterns of fighters just by clashing with them for a few seconds. Balmung's more of a liability than a too for Sieg here as he has to charge it up and fire but he can't because Natsu's going to punch him in the face. Even if he did get it off, Balmung is like less than twice Natsu's dura, it's not going to be super effective. Yeah Natsu does more damage than for the Armor to make him weaker than Sieg. Also, someone said that Sieg would draw the fight out more due to liking fighting skilled opponents. (Think it was Lance but Its higher in this thread).

Still counting your vote tho


Natsu: 3 (Mitch, 1997, Core)

Sieg: 1 (Jordan )
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
Why do people always thinks so low about Natsu. He isn't as pushover as everyone tends to believe.
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Cause on the outside he doesn't seem so smart, and looks like he jsut brutes his way through everything, but he's a very intelligent skilled fighter and I love him
 
Homu Sweet Homu said:
Why do people always thinks so low about Natsu. He isn't as pushover as everyone tends to believe.
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That's just part of being a Fairy Tail fan. We have the highest number of people opposed to us and there are a lot of threads made where people just complain like that OP one.
 
@DragonE

True, I never got that far in Fairy Tail so I was unaware Natsu got to that level.

I don't think Sieg would be as inclined to draw a fight out if he starts realizing that the enemy's attacks are doing way more damage than they logically should. He's smarter than that.

So it would seem that their skill is probably comparable if not slightly in Saber's favor, but Natsu has dura negation on his side. And their comparable in basically every other way. Does Sieg have any dura negation of his own? I can't tell if a consensus was reached on that.
 
@DragonEmperor

Wait! Fairy Tail has the greatest number of opponents on the site! Why couldn't SAO have that instead

You know, cause SAO is garbage
 
What do you mean by more than they logically should? It's not like Siegfried is the strongest servant and he's a pretty humble guy so he would know there are people way stronger than him. Sieg does more damage against dragons but Sieg's boost is unknown and Natsu's anti dragon boost is so big that even with his AP being less normally due to the Armor he hits as hard or even harder than if the Armor wasn't there.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@DragonEmperor

Wait! Fairy Tail has the greatest number of opponents on the site! Why couldn't SAO have that instead

You know, cause SAO is garbage </div>


There's much worse than SAO. Take any time that was popular in 2013 for example. Difference is SAO isn't relevant anymore, FT still is. Although it's Hiro's Manga so he's free to do whatever he wants with it so people should stop crying about it.
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
@DragonEmperor
Wait! Fairy Tail has the greatest number of opponents on the site! Why couldn't SAO have that instead

You know, cause SAO is garbage </div>
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SAO has less opponents but they also have way more opponents than supporters.
 
SAO is my most hated anime of all time, but that's just derailing the thread so I'll stop
 
I mean because of dura negation.

They're physically in the same ballpark, but it wouldn't take long for him to realize that his enemy has something about them besides physical strength that's causing them to do more damage.

Whether he's enjoying the fight or not, I don't think he's just gonna ignore the fact that he's up against some haxxy shenanigans and not adjust accordingly.
 
How exactly would he know that though? There's no visual effect or a verbal command. The attacks just hit harder than they normally would but Sieg wouldn't know what normal is for Natsu and this is their first encounter.
 
Would he not be able to tell "he's hitting me with the physical force of a comparable servant, yet my body is taking more damage than that would warrant"?
 
Not really, it's not like you can go "Okay this punch was (instert), a normal servant punch is (insert), but the damage I took was (insert)". Even with the boost, it's not like Natsu becomes beyond servant levels. He would hit hard, but nothing another servant couldn't recreate. Sieg would be thrilled at being able to fight someone that could actually hurt him, like when he fought Karna.
 
Oh, I was thinking the dura negation was more extreme than that. In that case, I'd be leaning slightly more in the other direction, but not really enough for a solid Natsu vote.

Voting inconclusive, could see it going either way.

Definitely a fight I'd pay to see.
 
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