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Natsu Dragneel vs Enji Todoroki (Best comeback ever?)

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Shadowbokunohero said:
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We aren't saying he's just gonna eat the blue flames. But all flames.

and Enji is just gonna shoots flames non stop while natsu screams "im all fire up?" lmfao no.

Natsu trained since he was a small kid under a dragon, while Todoroki must have started at High school, given the laws in MHA. Also, while Todoroki stopped fighting guys at his level a good amount of time before his fight against High-End, as villains are 8-C in MHA.

now your just assuming that every person he has faced is 8-C, pure speculation, it doesnt matter anyway when i stated it was their versatility . quirks can literally be anything, they are not chained down by elemental stuff, in my hero you have character that can see years into the future, go intangible ,paralyze someone by licking their blood, brainwash them, warp space,reverse bioligy,damage,time ect. some of these abilities are not even done by top tiers. quirks are extremely varied, some quirks have shown to negate durability up to High 7-A, so no Fairytail isnt more versatile.


Also, is everyone 'forgotting' that Natsu can just envelope himself into flames, and raise the temperature of air and Todoroki's making him weaker?

Does Natsu have any feats of rasing his heat to something higher than Enji's? if not then no, thats not happening.

Lastly, resisting his own fire=/= resisting fire manip in general.

there's nothing suggesting otherwise

also thats the same as me saying Eating Fairytail fire=/= Quirk Fire

unless specified by the author there's no reason to assume his body is magically resistant to only his fire...when this goes against how quirks work in the first place.
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Proof?
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
>Natsu can eat his flame gg

Oh okay,do you all say Natsu can eat Amaterasu or freacking Eleonore flame!?
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Maybe? There hasn't been a flame in the series that Natsu couldn't eat, even the only one he couldn't eat at first, was eventually eaten and used to make him stronger, so yeah he eats Endeavors Flames and then Overheats Endeavor, this just really isn't a good match for Enji, but maybe Next chapter he'll get up and have more stamina, who knows
 
The discussion isn't over so no, it's not done.

Either the votes for ze ki get debunked, and their reset, or they're not then we add.

Don't add a fight when the discussion isn't done.
 
Has Natsu ever shown to be able to eat flames when they're being generated literally on his face like Endeavour did with Nomu? I can't really see Natsu eating flames like that, most flames I saw him eat were flamethrower esque or were self-contained and not generated right on top of his face
 
Well I'm not too sure about the cellular level fire thing, as it wasn't stated in the manga that Endeavor carbonized his cells, only that he carbonized him.

The wiki may have stated that he carbonized the cells, but that wasn't stated in the manga. His fight against the fodder Nomu's doesn't count as a good chunk of that was anime-only, including the statement about carbonized cells. I reread the Stain arc, and it wasn't stated anywhere that Endeavor was carbonizing the Nomu's cells.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Well I'm not too sure about the cellular level fire thing, as it wasn't stated in the manga that Endeavor carbonized his cells, only that he carbonized him.

The wiki may have stated that he carbonized the cells, but that wasn't stated in the manga. His fight against the fodder Nomu's doesn't count as a good chunk of that was anime-only, including the statement about carbonized cells. I reread the Stain arc, and it wasn't stated anywhere that Endeavor was carbonizing the Nomu's cells.
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So that means that Natsu can eat his fire just fine.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Well I'm not too sure about the cellular level fire thing, as it wasn't stated in the manga that Endeavor carbonized his cells, only that he carbonized him.
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Don't you kinda have to carbonized cells to carbonized someone
 
TriforcePower1 said:
He literally got engulfed by an explosion of fire and completely ate it in his fight against Gajeel.
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That's not the same as eating fire out of someone's face.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
He literally got engulfed by an explosion of fire and completely ate it in his fight against Gajeel.
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Then the source of the explosion was across his entire body, not a controlled flame on top of his face. A flamethrower engulfing my body is dangerous yes, but a super-powered blow torch aimed straight between your eyes is probably going to be 100% lethal.
 
If. It. Has. Flames. He. Eats. It.

I don't see what you people don't get about that. If you don't know what Natsu can eat how about just don't comment because you obvouisly don't know the material.

Asking questions mid debate about his base abilities prove that.
 
Don't you kinda have to carbonized cells to carbonized someone

I don't know if carbonization necessarily means that it focuses on the cells, cause from what I've read, it isn't something super special, it's just something that any type of fire can do when burning at a certain temperatures. That's why I was asking about it earlier.
 
Celestial Judge said:
If. It. Has. Flames. He. Eats. It.
I don't see what you people don't get about that. If you don't know what Natsu can eat how about just don't comment because you obvouisly don't know the material.

Asking questions mid debate about his base abilities prove that.
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Wow, good job on insulting people who wants to know every detail to have an accurate match-up. Step 1 on good debating is gathering all information no matter how small or basic. We know he eats flames, nobody is denying that.

There's a difference between drinking water from a big waterhose and an Industrial Water-Cutter being aimed at your forehead. If he eats flames, he sort of has to...eat it.
 
Celestial Judge said:
It wasn't even an insult. If you don't know the material on both characters how can you vote on it? Wouldn't that make it bias?
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It sounded like you told users who don't know a lot about Fairy Tail to GTFO and let the real Fairy Tale fans talk, which is a very elitest attitude and not helpful for the discussion at hand. The whole point is for knowledgable members to bring the relevent info so less knowledable members can make an inform decision.
 
That's not even remotely close to bias. By that logic, everyone that votes in a thread that involves an obscure verse is automatically biased cause they don't know what the other character can do.
 
I said if you don't know each character's BASE POWERS. Meaning WHAT THEY ARE KNOWN FOR. You shouldn't vote. Why? Because you don't know their powers and abilities. Sure you can look on their pages and see the abilities but you won't know the context in which they worked.

Keep in mind I said base powers. NOT ALL. Base. Meaning what they are KNOWN for.
 
It sounded like you told users who don't know a lot about Fairy Tail to GTFO and let the real Fairy Tale fans talk, which is a very elitest attitude and not helpful for the discussion at hand. The whole point is for knowledgable members to bring the relevent info so less knowledable members can make an inform decision.

If you need knowledgeable information on ththe character wouldn't people who don't know even the base powers of the character be out of the question?
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
It sounded like you told users who don't know a lot about Fairy Tail to GTFO and let the real Fairy Tale fans talk, which is a very elitest attitude and not helpful for the discussion at hand. The whole point is for knowledgable members to bring the relevent info so less knowledable members can make an inform decision.
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I never said make a decision based on some rando's opinion. It sounds like your're saying people with no prior knowledge shouldn't be allowed to vote.
 
If I end up not seeing anymore discussions I will add the results

8-3 for Endevour
 
He directly tanked a return-attack from that Nomu that was just as powerful as his original attack and merely scoffed at it. So.......
 
I mean.

Enji has literally shown he can turn off his flames at will.

I'm pretty sure he CAN do that.
 
"His own flames"

But that Nomu copied and fired back said attack, it technically wasn't even his anymore. Unless you're telling me that Endeavor is capable of manipulating flames not generated by him
 
Regardless. I do believe the debate is basically over.

Talk about one hell of a comeback, borderline stomped to taking the win.

I need to get this removed as I added it after grace but alas.
 
Anyways, @Triforce I gave you an example of Endeavor resisting Fire Manip. already. Anything else before this is closed?
 
This shows that while yes it wasn't a serious one, it'd normally completely KO any normal person and he still scoffed at it. That's at least some level of resistance. But I have to question why you think he can't resist his own flames when he literally wears his own flames as clothing? Quirks are natural parts of a person's body in Hero Aca, such as Bakugo being able to strengthen his Explosions by opening up his sweat glands more... somehow. The more you use it, the more your body is trained and used to it. As Endeavor spams the hell out of his quirk, it isn't out of the question to think that his body has adapted to his Quirk's temperatures (or else he'd melt his hands off everytime he goes max power).
 
>Could have defeated any normal person

>Enji is 8-A

Because I can name you a ton of guys that have hax but don't resist it, even elemental ones like these.

Does Denki resist electricity?

Does Mina resist acid?

Just to give you an idea. If he's not stated to resist fire, resisting his own doesn't automatically mean he has a resistance to fire.
 
I would just like to point out that if Enji has 2X the ap and dura he doesn't need his flames to win as Natsu will have a hard time harming him and Enji could knock natsu out with like a sleeper hold or an uppercut.
 
@Delta In a VS thread, a 2x AP advantage isn't really considered enough to overwhelm the opponent like that, unless I'm mistaken.
 
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