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How does that page show that the attack has 200 million degree heat?We literally do… In the same scan where he fires a blast that’s stated to be scorching the sky
But air burns: the flame temperature of natural gas in air, you'll probably find a value between 3,400 and 3,600°F (1,871 and 1,982°C). Not very impressiveWe literally do… In the same scan where he fires a blast that’s stated to be scorching the sky
It's quite simple to prove Natsu scales to this since fairy tail uses a UES. Wall's magic is what's capable of containing that 200 million degree heat, Base Natsu's own fire manip was capable of mostly negating August's fire magic who is above wall, so combining that with Invels own statement about Natsu being the only one capable of melting his ice, his fire magic would scale above Walls containment.Yes, but we don't see that Wall is capable of weaponizing this assumed 200 million degree heat.
Literally look at Zackra’s post again. This is a feat that cannot be replicated under the extreme temperatures of nuclear warheads. And not only that, Natsu’s own casual fire can vaporize sand, making it comparable in temperature to lightning. Again, this is casual.How does that page show that the attack has 200 million degree heat?
So....But air burns: the flame temperature of natural gas in air, you'll probably find a value between 3,400 and 3,600°F (1,871 and 1,982°C). Not very impressive
I don't want to go into this thread, but nukes do have that kind of temperature and heat (sort of) within a few hundred metre radius, but it's deposited as radiation and doesn't cause extraneous reactions beyond that.who is capable of producing heat hot enough to burn the sky, which isn't even possible even under the extreme temperatures of nuclear warheads.
What do you mean by difference in scale and directionality exactly?I don't want to go into this thread, but nukes do have that kind of temperature and heat (sort of) within a few hundred metre radius, but it's not deposited as radiation and doesn't cause extraneous reactions beyond that.
Unless I'm mistaken, this attack can't exactly be compared due to the difference in scale and directionality.
Within less than a meter of it, it only at the epicenter that the temperature reaches that, any expansion even 0.001mm drops the heat value drastically.I don't want to go into this thread, but nukes do have that kind of temperature and heat (sort of) within a few hundred metre radius,
I proposed the creation of a discussion rule earlier in the thread. I’d really rather not deal with the same arguments over and over againNot a FT supporter, nor am I interested in the arguments but...
If a thread like this was rejected already, and no new arguments have been brought forward, then this should be closed logically. I would even recommend FT supporters maybe try to create a discussion rule if this keeps cropping up every now and then,
My point was that if Wall doesn't actually emit 200 million degrees heat, but that's just the heat inside of his "containment magic" for lack of a better term, then the heat he creates through that method wouldn't be relevant to Invel's ice.Point is Wall can does magic confinement fusion, which superheats plasma to create an increase in energy. Natsu’s heat scales above that by all accounts. Wall doesn’t even need to fire off an attack as the point is that he’s producing these heats within his own body, and Natsu scales above that. Natsu also simply emmits heat from his body to melt Invel’s ice. He doesn’t even use an attack to generate this level of hest. Also Natsu’s was capable of breaking down and burning away literal conceptual time… Wall ain’t doing that
He produces that level of heat and uses it to attack. We see this. He also produces heat based and energy based explosions. One of which can nuke an entire country. So to the people who say that a character in a magic verse can’t generate these kinds of attacks and weaponize them them at immense levels, they absolutely can. I mean Wall literally does have a nuke on hand… Like he is very clearly producing heat levels that he can weaponizeMy point was that if Wall doesn't actually emit 200 million degrees heat, but that's just the heat inside of his "containment magic" for lack of a better term, then the heat he creates through that method wouldn't be relevant to Invel's ice.
The burning away conceptual time thing is a better point for Natsu than that IMO.
This would be enoughBut air burns: the flame temperature of natural gas in air, you'll probably find a value between 3,400 and 3,600°F (1,871 and 1,982°C). Not very impressive
But the heat of Lightning can scorch the sky also the sun can do that if it's close enough and it's only 5k celius in heatThat's not the temperature to 'burn' air, and, even if it was, the core temperature would still be way higher due to distance losses.
What do you mean by core temperature?In temperature. There's a huge, huge difference, and you haven't even addressed my point.
But I don't want to get side tracked.
This idea that the translator is unreliable is entirely baseless considering that all of fairy tail's translations are done in-house by Kodansha who has both a copyright and trademark on the series, and considering the amount of material outside of the original manga that is considered canon, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that this singular translator is solely responsible for published volume translation notes as there were likely several people that had to review the work done in order to get an incredibly popular manga translation into publication. So, unless there's something wrong with the translation itself, I don't see the point of continuing to discuss the validity of the translation notes as they clearly aren't "just some guy's fanfiction" as the OP has tried to claim.
Not a FT supporter, nor am I interested in the arguments but...
If a thread like this was rejected already, and no new arguments have been brought forward, then this should be closed logically. I would even recommend FT supporters maybe try to create a discussion rule if this keeps cropping up every now and then,
Of course there wouldn’t be a japanese text explanation in a japanese manga volumeThe problem is those translator's notes are just from the eng. version of FT volumes. As i already said both the original japanese volumes nor other-language volumes have those notes nor explanation on what and how magics works.
Making all that just something that eng. translator-kun wanted to add personally, since he jumped from explaining what the name "Grand Chariot" stands for, to going into folklore, to pulling his personal theory behind the infamous MCF.
Of course there wouldn’t be a japanese text explanation in a japanese manga volume
You’re also just making stuff up to suggest this dude is “Coming up with his own theories”. He never says he believes this is what is happening, he clarifies what verbatim IS happening
I swear the incredulity here is absurd…
Anyways I have work, so I gotta go
So once again, you’re only argument is that you don’t trust the translator… I mean Wall literally says Boundary Breakthrough, a term that signfies changing the state of matter exactly like what Magnetic Confinement Fusion does… He’s also an Alchemist with extensive knowledge about physics and matterI suggest you to read better, since i said... "nor explanation on what and how magics works." And with this i was talking about the japanese volume, since sometimes (in some series) the mangaka drops further infos about the characters of the powers used in the said volume (like in Trinity Seven)
He has no power nor any confirmation that he knows what he is stating. I would understand if this was Mashima saying it... or his editor... or Mashima's assistants... someone with a REAL connection to the series. But nope, you have... this dude. That as i said "he jumped from explaining what the name "Grand Chariot" stands for, to going into folklore, to pulling his personal theory behind the infamous MCF."
You need a quite big confirmation that what english translator-kun says is canon or approved by the mangaka, cuz as of now... this is the ONLY translator of the FT volumes who came up with that stuff.
I'd like to show you what does he say about Aqua Metria... and you'll understand he has no correlation nor basis to confirm that what he says is based on official/canonical informations.
And not only that, Natsu’s own casual fire can vaporize sand, making it comparable in temperature to lightning. Again, this is casual.
That's just wrong. Igneel's Power is when Natsu actually undoes the bandagesWouldn't call it casual fire, since Natsu was visibly struggling against that sand. Furthermore that was Igneel's Mark Natsu, a rather much stronger version of base Natsu.
Didn't Natsu use fire lightning mode to vaporize sand?Wouldn't call it casual fire, since Natsu was visibly struggling against that sand. Furthermore that was Igneel's Mark Natsu, a rather much stronger version of base Natsu.
Maybe i'm wrong but vaporizing sand is not really that impressive, since it should be around 2230° C (magma can reach 1500° C) and here we are talking about 200 million degree celsius. Jesus, it's not even remotely comparable. Even the heat of a lightning is only around 30k degree celsius.
So once again, you’re only argument is that you don’t trust the translator… I mean Wall literally says Boundary Breakthrough, a term that signfies changing the state of matter exactly like what Magnetic Confinement Fusion does… He’s also an Alchemist with extensive knowledge about physics and matter
So once again, just more incredulity backed by lack of faith rather than evidence
Just because you said it doesn't mean it's true. FT magic elements work like the real thing. Laxus's lightning, for example, functions like real lightning. Also, your Railgun example is bad because the Railgun isn't compared to a real railgun, whereas the Magic Confinement Fusion is actually compared to Magnetic Confinement FusionAs i alreayd said before several FT magic =/= real world stuff.
That's just wrong. Igneel's Power is when Natsu actually undoes the bandages
Didn't Natsu use fire lightning mode to vaporize sand?
That's because the mode is called Fire Dragon King Mode, which he can use without Igneel's Power (but it's significantly less powerful as a result)