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Natsu Dragneel vs Enji Todoroki (Best comeback ever?)

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Not usually no but it is a pretty big advantage as it would allow Enji to take Natsu down quickly and avoid his own weakness. Plus have you ever tried fighting someone twice as strong when you can't bypass their strength advantage.
 
1) Prove it; there is no mention of him being any weaker with out his flames anywhere. You could be thinking of Natsu as it is pointed out that his flames amp his attacks. 2) Enji is still to durable for Natsu to harm
 
Delta3000 said:
1) Prove it; there is no mention of him being any weaker with out his flames anywhere. You could be thinking of Natsu as it is pointed out that his flames amp his attacks. 2) Enji is still to durable for Natsu to harm
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So you're telling me I have to prove that someone who uses a quirk in his battles is just as strong without the quirk?

Is that a serious question?
 
@ gargoyle 1

Apparently Enji has 2X the ap and durability natsu does which would make it hard for Natsu to damage him; I mean it takes twice what Natsu can output to even damage Enji.

@ Celestial Judge

Enji does use physical attacks in battles so unless you can prove that Attacks from his quirk are much stronger your just blowing smoke out of your ass.
 
Except that's completely wrong.

2x advantage doesn't make it hard to damage someone, you simply have to put more effort into you're strikes.
 
@ G1

With that logic a character that can take, for example, a 40 gigaton attack with negligible damage can be harmed buy another character who's max AP is 20 gigaton's if they put more effort into their strike.
 
That's perfectly logical tho.

Like, you don't honestly think that because a character is a certain AP they are completely immune to any attacks slightly below that right?

A bunker is durable enough to survive a nuke, but it's obviously going to take damage.

Anakin Skywalker is perfectly capable of slicing off Canon Mace Windu's arm despite Mace being around 2.5x stronger then Anakin.

A good hit from someone that isn't drastically weaker then you is going to hurt and the character doesn't need to put a strentious amount of effort into it in order for it to hurt.

No offense but that logic is simply nonsensical.

There's a reason we accept 5x as the amount to AP stomp someone.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
A well paced punch by me can furt a guy who is twice as strong as me
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And a well paced punch from them will break your arm like a twig. You don't even need to be 2x stronger irl to break someone's arm. But if someone is 2x stronger than you, good luck breaking their arm.
 
I mean.

A Krav Maga Strike to the elbow is breaking your arm unless your ludicrously stronger.
 
Someone twice as stong as me will not just break bones with a punch, well placed or not. It can maybe dislocate them, sure, but the unless he gets me on my knees, gets time to run from a few meters awa and punches in the back of my neck one hit is not going to be more than a ruined eye or a broken nose.
 
True, True.

But I emphasize the fact that you have to use a specialized technique in order to do so whilst the other guy can break yours with ease
 
Being 2x stronger then a human doesn't give you the strength to break steel in half with physical force.
 
It should be noted that Endeavor is at least 2x stronger than Natsu here, as Endeavor scales to his son's feats, and Endeavor is many times stronger than Todoroki atm.
 
Yes, but "too durable to hurt" is a hyperboly, and a normal attack would still hurt him a bit, but would not be fatal unless landed on the eyes or something
 
Nobody said "too durable to hurt" Risci. It's just that Endeavor is just as experienced as Natsu, but he holds a massive advantage when all else is equal.
 
Delta3000 said:
1) Prove it; there is no mention of him being any weaker with out his flames anywhere. You could be thinking of Natsu as it is pointed out that his flames amp his attacks.
2) Enji is still to durable for Natsu to harm
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no one huh?
 
8-3 in favor of Enji and I believe the discussion is over

I believe both profiles are open
 
I did just today too funnily enough

Kinda want to Make Satsuki vs AFO, especially if AFO gets downgraded to 7A+
 
@Andy Done adding this match to Natsu page,you can lock that page again Andy.

Also i will request this match to be closed since we're done and avoid further circle.
 
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