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Natsu are those tooTheglassman12 said:
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Natsu Dragneel vs Enji Todoroki (Best comeback ever?)
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Eating fire doesn't negate the force behind it. So Natsu attempts to eat Endeavour's flames, and once Endeavour sees this, he goes in for the blue-Flames as Natsu is now a massively huge threat. Natsu assumes it's like any other flame and attempts to eat it, only for it to literally carbonize the cells around his area of contact. Also no, he literally eats the flames as seen later on, with the beginning of series stock re-use of him eating fire doesn't count. So the flames at least makes contact with his mouth. Which would be carbonized and roasted. Actually, eating such flames would probably kill him as no Dragon-Slayer magic has displayed destroying cells on such a level before.
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Nope.Akreious said:
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What heat is needed to destroy flames?
Should be noted that Natsu not being capable of eating Zancrow's flames wasn't because he has a limited array of fire that he can eat, but because Zancrow specifically made flames that dragon slayers can't eat. Should be noted that Natsu also ate Low 7-B flames when he was still 8-A, and has shown to be capable of eating lightning, which should probably be hotter. So Natsu's gonna it just fine. Oh, and the reason he didn't ate the fire ninja with a stange name's fire was because he didn't want to as the guy modified the flames to make them taste awful.
Should be noted that Natsu not being capable of eating Zancrow's flames wasn't because he has a limited array of fire that he can eat, but because Zancrow specifically made flames that dragon slayers can't eat. Should be noted that Natsu also ate Low 7-B flames when he was still 8-A, and has shown to be capable of eating lightning, which should probably be hotter. So Natsu's gonna it just fine. Oh, and the reason he didn't ate the fire ninja with a stange name's fire was because he didn't want to as the guy modified the flames to make them taste awful.
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They don't understand that.TriforcePower1 said:
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And the whole "can carbonize cells" is anime only. (It mainly depends if blue flames in real life can do it or not)
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Don't we consider Anime to be a good supporting-source of information? As long as it doesn't contradict everything like DB's Anime does, it should be good enough to go off of as a source.
Anyways, Blue Flames only happen due to a more efficient burning process. Unlike Orange/Yellow Flames, Blue Flames burn so efficiently that soot can't "Get in", hence the blue flame. Not sure if this would, in reality, allow you to carbonize cells, BUT. I DO know that intensely hot flames irl are able to carbonize cells even when not blue. So this leads me to believe that a blue flame that can do that as well would be significantly more dangerous. That's why you always hear accidents with blow-torches (Propane-Based) would almost always end up with someone having to sever off their fingers or something. or at least that may just be me. I'm a weird guy.
Anyways, Blue Flames only happen due to a more efficient burning process. Unlike Orange/Yellow Flames, Blue Flames burn so efficiently that soot can't "Get in", hence the blue flame. Not sure if this would, in reality, allow you to carbonize cells, BUT. I DO know that intensely hot flames irl are able to carbonize cells even when not blue. So this leads me to believe that a blue flame that can do that as well would be significantly more dangerous. That's why you always hear accidents with blow-torches (Propane-Based) would almost always end up with someone having to sever off their fingers or something. or at least that may just be me. I'm a weird guy.
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Is lightning hotter than blue flames?
If not, then Natsu can eat it without problems.
If not, then Natsu can eat it without problems.
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I don't think Laxus' electricity counts as natural Lightning?
But regardless, The Science of Blue flames and Lightning operate differently and are not applicable to eachother. Lightning is basically the transfer of Electrons from the sky to the ground, or something to that effect. Flames are produced by the chemical effect of Combustion. Not applicable to eachother. So even if Natsu could eat natural Lightning, it wouldn't matter since the mechanics of how they work don't relate to eachother at all.
But regardless, The Science of Blue flames and Lightning operate differently and are not applicable to eachother. Lightning is basically the transfer of Electrons from the sky to the ground, or something to that effect. Flames are produced by the chemical effect of Combustion. Not applicable to eachother. So even if Natsu could eat natural Lightning, it wouldn't matter since the mechanics of how they work don't relate to eachother at all.
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I've been told it MUST be manga material with the exception of dbs.
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The pictures I used above were of anime but the same thing happens and I'm too lazy to find chapters.
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I'm talking about the heat here. That's the only important part.Akreious said:
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No, it isn't. The hell are you talking about. Carbonizing cells and burning are both chemical effects; heat is a byproduct. Tanking a lightning bolt won't suddenly make you immune to your flesh changing on the cellular level like Carbonizing would.
Edit: Also where did you hear "Manga only"? Nothing contradicts what Endeavour did in the anime, hell the Manga doesn't even cut to Endeavour like it does in the anime. If anything, the anime shows what Endeavour does and how he defeated the Noumus when they logically shouldn't have been able to.
Edit: Also where did you hear "Manga only"? Nothing contradicts what Endeavour did in the anime, hell the Manga doesn't even cut to Endeavour like it does in the anime. If anything, the anime shows what Endeavour does and how he defeated the Noumus when they logically shouldn't have been able to.
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Sigh, this thread
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Due of Natsu right?Captain Torch said:
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a Nomu that would tear Natsu a new one if i might addCelestial Judge said:
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Didn't endevor lose to a Noumu?
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a Nomu that would tear Natsu a new one if i might add
I highly doubt that Nomu is anywhere near Large Country level but ok.
NuMbER 1 HeRo
a Nomu that would tear Natsu a new one if i might add
I highly doubt that Nomu is anywhere near Large Country level but ok.
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this isnt Large Country Level natsu
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You didn't say this version of Natsu. You just said Natsu.Shadowbokunohero said:
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You didn't say this version of Natsu. You just said Natsu.
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Not being able to eat the flames = / = has difficulty eating flames. If Endeavor really has these blue flames, Natsu just needs to nullfying his own magical power to get them, just like he did against the God Flames of Zancrow.
And also about this thing of the blue flames of Endeavor, I found the chapters that were supposed to have these supposed blue flames:
http://*********.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/No--055?id=361097
http://*********.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/No--056?id=361101
And also about this thing of the blue flames of Endeavor, I found the chapters that were supposed to have these supposed blue flames:
http://*********.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/No--055?id=361097
http://*********.com/Manga/Boku-no-Hero-Academia/No--056?id=361101
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it's in chapter 188 aswell
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This is what you guys aren't understanding. He didn't have null himself because the flames were to powerful.Enryu The Red Tower said:
It's just universal law that you aren't supposed to eat a god slayers magic. Had nothing to do with potency or hax.
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@Shadow
Yep, I know.
Yep, I know.
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@Celestial
Wait, are you agreeing that Natsu can eat these blue flames or he can not eat them?
Yes, Natsu nullified his own magical power to eat the flames of the Zancrow and Makarov explained this:
http://*********.com/Manga/Fairy-Tail/Fairy-Tail---219?id=307649#18
And he can do the same with the blue flames of Endeavor.
Wait, are you agreeing that Natsu can eat these blue flames or he can not eat them?
Yes, Natsu nullified his own magical power to eat the flames of the Zancrow and Makarov explained this:
http://*********.com/Manga/Fairy-Tail/Fairy-Tail---219?id=307649#18
And he can do the same with the blue flames of Endeavor.
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This is pre-time skip Nasu I assume, but which point before the time skip is the one being used?
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Post-grimoire heart (Basically just before they got the second origin)
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The 8A one
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I'm saying he can eat them without even nulling himself.Enryu The Red Tower said:
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Okay.
Okay.
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Can I get the manga scans of Endevour's resisting fire manip, please?
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In fact, there is nothing on Endeavor's profile that he has resistance to fire manipulation, and if he did, someone would have added that to his profile.
In fact, there is nothing on Endeavor's profile that he has resistance to fire manipulation, and if he did, someone would have added that to his profile.
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I cant post scans atm but even without the surviving fire from nomu thing.
as a person who literally wears fire as clothes and facial features, covers his arms legs and body with fire..., resisting the heat from his own blue fire...
it would be ridiculous to assume his not resistant to fire.
is he immune?
hell no he even states this himself.
Natsu just doesn't have the heat nor AP to overtax Enji.
While Enji's has shown to damage opponents on a cellular level and feat wise it's hotter than anything this Natsu has taken on.
Okay worse case scenario: Natsu can eat blue flames?. so what
do you think Enji is just going to spam his blue fire now? hell no, he will change his tactics
if none of them can hurt one another with fire they gonna get into a brawl.
and my bets are on Enji, his smarter, more experienced and has likely fought way more versatile enemies, given the fact that quirks can literally be almost anything.
even though Enji lost against High End in the end, it happened while he was caught off guard and exhausted himself. the man literally fought an enemy that was stronger, faster, had better mobility, Regenerationn and was able to hold his own.
as a person who literally wears fire as clothes and facial features, covers his arms legs and body with fire..., resisting the heat from his own blue fire...
it would be ridiculous to assume his not resistant to fire.
is he immune?
hell no he even states this himself.
Natsu just doesn't have the heat nor AP to overtax Enji.
While Enji's has shown to damage opponents on a cellular level and feat wise it's hotter than anything this Natsu has taken on.
Okay worse case scenario: Natsu can eat blue flames?. so what
do you think Enji is just going to spam his blue fire now? hell no, he will change his tactics
if none of them can hurt one another with fire they gonna get into a brawl.
and my bets are on Enji, his smarter, more experienced and has likely fought way more versatile enemies, given the fact that quirks can literally be almost anything.
even though Enji lost against High End in the end, it happened while he was caught off guard and exhausted himself. the man literally fought an enemy that was stronger, faster, had better mobility, Regenerationn and was able to hold his own.
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>Natsu can eat his flame gg
Oh okay,do you all say Natsu can eat Amaterasu or freacking Eleonore flame!?
Oh okay,do you all say Natsu can eat Amaterasu or freacking Eleonore flame!?
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Smarter: Yes, but not overwhelmingly so. Natsu has come up with several strategies, most of them were even quite smart.
More experied: Natsu trained since he was a small kid under a dragon, while Todoroki must have started at High school, given the laws in MHA. Also, while Todoroki stopped fighting guys at his level a good amount of time before his fight against High-End, as villains are 8-C in MHA, Natsu never stopped fighting guys on his level, or even above. He's not particularly hindered by guys who can withstand his flames, as we know he sparred with Erza, who has an armor that makes her resist fire. Lastly, Todoroki mainly fights at long range using his quirk, and doesn't go very often at hand to hand combat, while that's Natsu's main way of fighting. So no.
More versatile enemies: Most of them were likely one-shotted by Todoroki. And magic in FT is arguably more versatile.
Also, is everyone forgotting that Natsu can just envelope himself into flames, and raise the temperature of air and Todoroki's making him weaker?
Lastly, resisting his own fire=/= resisting fire manip in general.
More experied: Natsu trained since he was a small kid under a dragon, while Todoroki must have started at High school, given the laws in MHA. Also, while Todoroki stopped fighting guys at his level a good amount of time before his fight against High-End, as villains are 8-C in MHA, Natsu never stopped fighting guys on his level, or even above. He's not particularly hindered by guys who can withstand his flames, as we know he sparred with Erza, who has an armor that makes her resist fire. Lastly, Todoroki mainly fights at long range using his quirk, and doesn't go very often at hand to hand combat, while that's Natsu's main way of fighting. So no.
More versatile enemies: Most of them were likely one-shotted by Todoroki. And magic in FT is arguably more versatile.
Also, is everyone forgotting that Natsu can just envelope himself into flames, and raise the temperature of air and Todoroki's making him weaker?
Lastly, resisting his own fire=/= resisting fire manip in general.
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We aren't saying he's just gonna eat the blue flames. But all flames.
Just because he wears flames doesn't mean he's resist to fire manipulation. There's a lot of possibilities.
A. He's only resistant to his own flames.
B. They have to be a certain temperature.
C. Can only be on certain parts of his body.
We don't know. While Natsu is eating flames he isn't supposed to eat because it literally goes against the verse's law.
Tell Enji yo getgudm8
Just because he wears flames doesn't mean he's resist to fire manipulation. There's a lot of possibilities.
A. He's only resistant to his own flames.
B. They have to be a certain temperature.
C. Can only be on certain parts of his body.
We don't know. While Natsu is eating flames he isn't supposed to eat because it literally goes against the verse's law.
Tell Enji yo getgudm8
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Pretty sure you don't need high levels of heat to destroy cells in an organic life form it's certainly under 300c so I don't understand why people are using this point to say Natsu can't handle it considering he resisted this [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NPZQ5ed0k...c_26zM1rygLIobx11XqPGQCHM/s16000/0218-009.png ] which is considerably hoter than anything shown from Enji's side
So.....
So.....
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it's B
We aren't saying he's just gonna eat the blue flames. But all flames.
and Enji is just gonna shoots flames non stop while natsu screams "im all fire up?" lmfao no.
Natsu trained since he was a small kid under a dragon, while Todoroki must have started at High school, given the laws in MHA. Also, while Todoroki stopped fighting guys at his level a good amount of time before his fight against High-End, as villains are 8-C in MHA.
now your just assuming that every person he has faced is 8-C, pure speculation, it doesnt matter anyway when i stated it was their versatility . quirks can literally be anything, they are not chained down by elemental stuff, in my hero you have character that can see years into the future, go intangible ,paralyze someone by licking their blood, brainwash them, warp space,reverse bioligy,damage,time ect. some of these abilities are not even done by top tiers. quirks are extremely varied, some quirks have shown to negate durability up to High 7-A, so no Fairytail isnt more versatile.
Also, is everyone 'forgotting' that Natsu can just envelope himself into flames, and raise the temperature of air and Todoroki's making him weaker?
Does Natsu have any feats of rasing his heat to something higher than Enji's? if not then no, thats not happening.
Lastly, resisting his own fire=/= resisting fire manip in general.
there's nothing suggesting otherwise
also thats the same as me saying Eating Fairytail fire=/= Quirk Fire
unless specified by the author there's no reason to assume his body is magically resistant to only his fire...when this goes against how quirks work in the first place.
We aren't saying he's just gonna eat the blue flames. But all flames.
and Enji is just gonna shoots flames non stop while natsu screams "im all fire up?" lmfao no.
Natsu trained since he was a small kid under a dragon, while Todoroki must have started at High school, given the laws in MHA. Also, while Todoroki stopped fighting guys at his level a good amount of time before his fight against High-End, as villains are 8-C in MHA.
now your just assuming that every person he has faced is 8-C, pure speculation, it doesnt matter anyway when i stated it was their versatility . quirks can literally be anything, they are not chained down by elemental stuff, in my hero you have character that can see years into the future, go intangible ,paralyze someone by licking their blood, brainwash them, warp space,reverse bioligy,damage,time ect. some of these abilities are not even done by top tiers. quirks are extremely varied, some quirks have shown to negate durability up to High 7-A, so no Fairytail isnt more versatile.
Also, is everyone 'forgotting' that Natsu can just envelope himself into flames, and raise the temperature of air and Todoroki's making him weaker?
Does Natsu have any feats of rasing his heat to something higher than Enji's? if not then no, thats not happening.
Lastly, resisting his own fire=/= resisting fire manip in general.
there's nothing suggesting otherwise
also thats the same as me saying Eating Fairytail fire=/= Quirk Fire
unless specified by the author there's no reason to assume his body is magically resistant to only his fire...when this goes against how quirks work in the first place.
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So Jiro is now resistant to shockwaves? No.
Not everyone is like Deku in MHA in which they can't tank normally their quirk.
Also FT magic has Time manipulation, empathic manip, creation of bracelets that can transmit injuries to other persons, people who can summon weapons and armors, can create extremely large attacks that harm only enemies, clones that suck energy life etc. and all of this is before the first timeskip.
Not everyone is like Deku in MHA in which they can't tank normally their quirk.
Also FT magic has Time manipulation, empathic manip, creation of bracelets that can transmit injuries to other persons, people who can summon weapons and armors, can create extremely large attacks that harm only enemies, clones that suck energy life etc. and all of this is before the first timeskip.
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