Natsu Dragneel vs. Demiurge

[WHYNAUT]

All of that still doesn't protect him from Demi's hellfire.

>Tanked soul burning flames before
>Can't tank soul burning flames now

You ... will have to explain this gap in logic to me

You said Natsu can burn souls, not that he resist getting his soul burned.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He resisted his own soul getting burned by his flames.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Does he burn souls in FDK mode? I thought that he gained/showed that ability later.

 

[Moritzva]

So just because he didn't kill himself means he's resistant to soul hax?

I'm not buying it. If you want him to have official soul hax resistance, make a CRT. Otherwise, Demiurge wins.

 

[WHYNAUT]

^

 

[DragonEmperor23]

This isn't on the profile yet but Natsu has resistance to soul manipulation. Zeref couldn't take Natsu's soul with his Death Magic.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The CRT has been there and everyone's agreed with it, it just hasn't been applied.

 

[Moritzva]

Then get it applied. Until it's there we can't use it in his defense.

With it, probably a stomp since soul hax was Demiurge's leading move and best way to win.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'll add that now

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I can't right now cause I'm on mobile, I'll be able to work on it in a bit.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I'll add that now

Thx

 

[WHYNAUT]

Alright then. In that case I retract my vote for now.

 

[Moritzva]

Yea, unless Dargoo can toss us a bone here I think it's a stomp.

 

[Schnee_One]

Dargoo simply needs to change the version of Natsu to a lesser version, in that case he wins decisively

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Thought it was Igneel's scarf that protected him the first time, and then he burned it the second time. If he tanked it, he should get resistance to death magic by himself as well.

Also Demiurge is undamaged by fire on a 15 GT level, and regularly surrounds himself with his own soul destroying flames.

I don't think we give characters resistance to their own hax like that.

 

[Schnee_One]

We don't

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dargoo simply needs to change the version of Natsu to a lesser version, in that case he wins decisively

Which version should I change it to? I always get confused with characters that a ton of different keys.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

This isn't on the profile yet but Natsu has resistance to soul manipulation. Zeref couldn't take Natsu's soul with his Death Magic.

Soul Destruction >>>>>> Soul Removal

It would be like saying someone who resisted mind control would also resist their mind being erased completely.

 

[Schnee_One]

Which version should I change it to? I always get confused with characters that a ton of different keys.

The first 6C key I think

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Gar

What is the key called?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

oof

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The first 6-C key is FDKM (what is being used now). The next two are END and Dragonification which do the same things except the former makes him bloodlusted and the latter gives him flight. FDKM was already his weakest 6-C key.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh nvm read it wrong

Natsu FRA

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

So, should I change it to Drafonification, or END, then?

 

[Schnee_One]

No I read it wrong sorry

Its fine now

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Oh, alright. Guess I was reading it right all along, kek.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

When I said "they do the same things", I should have specified that they do the same as FDKM but with an additional power each. Dragonification puts it even more in Natsu's favor since Dem loses his flight advantage. Maybe END's bloodlust could make it easier but I dunno.

 

[Moritzva]

Dargoo brings up a good point. Casual soul destruction of many people > Stealing the soul of one person.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It wasn't one person. His point was that destruction > taking, he didn't mention amount.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Dargoo brings up a good point. Casual soul destruction of many people > Stealing the soul of one person.

Exactly. I don't watch Fairy Tail so I don't know the context, but I'm pretty sure Natsu resisting having his soul absorbed does not mean he can resist soul destruction, like what Demiurge has

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Natsu resisting soul destruction comes form having been stated to be burning his own soul with his flames and walking that shit off.

 

[Moritzva]

Fairly sure this is stated above, but I'm fairly sure we don't give characters resistance based on their own hax like that, similar to what was said above.

I don't see Natsu surviving more than one Hellfire.

 

[Moritzva]

Oh, just noticed, Natsu not only has little resistance against soul destruction, but I don't see any resistance to mental hax, either.

So, Command Mantra and Hellfire both work. And Demiurge wouldn't mind using Command Mantra.

He can also fly, teleport, summon armies, and knows the arena incredibly well.

Yea, Demiurge takes this.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Natsu resisting soul destruction comes form having been stated to be burning his own soul with his flames and walking that shit off.

From what this says, it sounds like he still damaged his soul with his flames, meaning if this kind of resistance is allowed, it would just take more than one Hellfire Wall or Hellfire Mantle, he wouldn't be no-selling it

Also, Hellfire Wall completely incinerated the soul in a very short time, while it sounds like Natsu's flames were just burning his soul a little

 

[Moritzva]

So 1-2 Hellfire attack's or any mental command instantly beats Natsu. He can also teleport and fly to avoid Natsu's attacks.

Hm.

 

[Apeironaxim]

And summon minions in case he needs a little distance to get off an extra attack

 

[DragonEmperor23]

What's stopping him from eating the hellfire? Natsu can make his attacks follow his targets.

 

[Moritzva]

There's a difference between light homing and tracking teleporting constantly all while avoiding minions in the crossfire.

As well, Hellfire is fast and burns the soul. When he used Hellfire Wall, the wave that passed by Evileye didn't do anything, but a massive wall engulfed the two fellows behind her. Natsu would need to be expecting Hellfire to come out if he is going to eat it, and even then, he has literally nothing against mental attacks. As well, Demiurge isn't a human lover either. He'll likely not think much of Natsu and attempt mind control early on.

That, plus the massive intelligence gap, better hax, better mobility, and summoning...

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The Hellfire isn't a mental attack and it won't oneshot Natsu due to his resistance. After it burns his soul, he will obviously notice and eat it.

How strong are the minions?

 

[Apeironaxim]

How does his fire eating work?

Does it nullify any extra effects of the magic?

Hellfire Mantle doesn't burn things like regular fire, as it was described the people who were hit by it didn't even look burned, it just destroys the soul