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This is phenomenal
Also Scathach is great as always
Also Scathach is great as always
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Nasuverse General Discussion Thread
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Father and Son having fun in the sun 
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Promestein said:
Great indeed :3
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Wow.
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Sorry to distract you all from the swimsuits, but after browsing some Servant pages, I found some errors on Gawain's page regarding his keys.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Saber_(Gawain)
He has 3 for his Tier, 4 for his Attack Potency and 2 for the rest of his stats. Maybe we could standardise it to 2 only for everything, one for his base and one for when Numeral of the Saint is active?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Saber_(Gawain)
He has 3 for his Tier, 4 for his Attack Potency and 2 for the rest of his stats. Maybe we could standardise it to 2 only for everything, one for his base and one for when Numeral of the Saint is active?
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That seems fine, though I'd wait for more opinions from the rest.Reppuzan said:
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The AP could probably just go...
AP: At least City level (Stats are on par with blah blah...); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here> | At least City level (Numeral of the Saint amps stats x3); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here.... or not if that one doesn't get scaling from NotS)
Or you know...
AP: At least City level (Stats are on par with blah blah); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here; higher with Numeral of the Saint (Triples his stats)
AP: At least City level (Stats are on par with blah blah...); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here> | At least City level (Numeral of the Saint amps stats x3); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here.... or not if that one doesn't get scaling from NotS)
Or you know...
AP: At least City level (Stats are on par with blah blah); <AP for burning stuff with Galatine here; higher with Numeral of the Saint (Triples his stats)
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Would his Numeral of the Saint durability be Country level? For tanking an irritated Goddess of Ron's Rhongomyniad dead on? There's also the fact that it's utterly impossible to damage him in Fate/Extra until you deal with the issue of the sun, which makes this feat consistent.
Currently, most Anti-Army Noble Phantasms are scaled off Gae Bolgs' feat. How should Galatine be rated?
Currently, most Anti-Army Noble Phantasms are scaled off Gae Bolgs' feat. How should Galatine be rated?
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Gawain was considered Lancelot's equal:
"A knight said to be equal of Sir Lancelot, Gawain was frequently at odds with Lancelot due to his slaying of both of Gawain's brothers."
And Lancelot eventually slayed him after Numeral of the Saint wore off.
"Although his [Gawain's] hostility inevitably led to his death at the hands of Sir Lancelot..."
"A knight said to be equal of Sir Lancelot, Gawain was frequently at odds with Lancelot due to his slaying of both of Gawain's brothers."
And Lancelot eventually slayed him after Numeral of the Saint wore off.
"Although his [Gawain's] hostility inevitably led to his death at the hands of Sir Lancelot..."
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I dunno.
On one hand, Galatine is the sister sword of Excalibur where while the latter absorbs light from the stars and the earth and has an attack that decimates a fortress, the former takes from the sun and has an attack that decimates an army. (Fate Extra Saber Matrix) (Fate Extra Encyclopedia: The Reborn Sword of Victory)
On the other hand, Excalibur is concentrated while Galatine is a heat wave.
Then there's the fact that it's prototype is Caladbolg (which is according to Nasu, prototypes are stronger) which is at least City level. Then again, it is considered a prototype to Excalibur as well.
I think Galatine would be scalable to Excalibur.
Second, materials says he's widely known as an equal to King Arthur but he is also said to always be at odds and is roughly equal to Lancelot. (Fate Extra Saber Matrix)
On one hand, Galatine is the sister sword of Excalibur where while the latter absorbs light from the stars and the earth and has an attack that decimates a fortress, the former takes from the sun and has an attack that decimates an army. (Fate Extra Saber Matrix) (Fate Extra Encyclopedia: The Reborn Sword of Victory)
On the other hand, Excalibur is concentrated while Galatine is a heat wave.
Then there's the fact that it's prototype is Caladbolg (which is according to Nasu, prototypes are stronger) which is at least City level. Then again, it is considered a prototype to Excalibur as well.
I think Galatine would be scalable to Excalibur.
Second, materials says he's widely known as an equal to King Arthur but he is also said to always be at odds and is roughly equal to Lancelot. (Fate Extra Saber Matrix)
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Well, in fact Gawain is "described" as Lancelot equal in Fate/Extra Matrix. But, Lancelot is described as "unrivaled" because he's the strongest and greatest of all the Knights of the Round Table.
Fate/Zero Berserker profile says:
Berserker was born with numerous abilities and aptitudes that brought him to be famed as the strongest of the Knights of the Round Table. Rather than simply being "high-spec", he could be called "completely overpowered", displaying fighting prowess many times greater than even King Arthur and the ability to match Gawain until wounding him at nightfall
Lancelot while trying to not kill Gawain was still able to hurt him while he had the Numeral of the Saint; which led to his death at Camlann when they struck him there.
Fate/Zero Berserker profile says:
Berserker was born with numerous abilities and aptitudes that brought him to be famed as the strongest of the Knights of the Round Table. Rather than simply being "high-spec", he could be called "completely overpowered", displaying fighting prowess many times greater than even King Arthur and the ability to match Gawain until wounding him at nightfall
Lancelot while trying to not kill Gawain was still able to hurt him while he had the Numeral of the Saint; which led to his death at Camlann when they struck him there.
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Erm... guys? We're misunderstanding something. "the ability to match Gawain until wounding him at nightfall" mentioned above means "Lancelot can fight on par with Gawain and can only hurt him at nightfall". Gawain's Numeral of the Saint will increase his parameters by 3 times from 9 A.M to 12 P.M and from 3 P.M to 6 P.M . So, basically, Lancelot can only hurt him after NotS fade off.
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This. Can't get more badass than this.RegisNex1232 said:
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Hey everyone, we may have some upgrades in store for Arash and Hector.
1) Arash : Possible Stella (without Command Seals) upgrade
In Camelot Chapter 12, the Knights of the Round Table and their forces (led by 2 of the Knights, Lancelot and Tristan) invade True Assassin's village, where the Resistance (PC + Allied Servants) were hiding. Arash confronts Lancelot and is injured by Arondight Overload , which he survives. Later on, when the Resistance has arrived and kicked out Tristan (Lancelot left previously after attacking Arash), the Lion King uses Rhongomyniad (the pillar of light in the sky) to destroy the village. While everyone is panicking, Arash; still injured from his clash with Lancelot, uses Stella to stop Rhon from destroying the village, sacrificing his life in the process to save everyone.
Assuming that the scaling works, this would mean that Dendera Electric Bulb, Rhongomyniad and Stella are comparable (within the same tier) to each other. This would mean that his rating would change to this:
Tier: At least 7-B with Physical Strikes, at least 6-B with Stella, higher with Command Seals
Attack Potency: At least City level with physical strikes (Has a B-Rank Strength Stat, making him comparable to Saber), Country level with Stella, higher with Command Seals(A B++ Rank Noble Phantasm that is said to have the properties of an Anti-Fortress and an Anti-Country Noble Phantasm, stopped Rhongomyniad from destroying a village, helped Saber overpower Rider's Dendera Electric Bulb when Arash was empowered by 3 Command Seals) This may also upgrade Excalibur Proto unsealed, depending on how you view this upgrade.
2) Hector : Possible confirmed rating/upgrade for Durindana
In Okeanos Chapter 10, Jason and his gang, Herakles, Medea Lily, Hector are trying to capture Euryale, protected by the PC and their allied Servants. Herakles is engaged in a battle with Asterios (better known as the Minotaur of Crete, summoned as a Berserker), which is evenly matched. Jason, getting impatient, orders Hector to use Durindana on the two of them while they're wrestling (ala Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon) to get rid of Asterios as Herk will only lose one life (thanks to God Hand) while Asterios will be dead. Hector complies , and the two are seemingly killed (Asterios is later shown to have survived in an interlude, while Herk loses one life).
If accepted, this would mean that Durindana would be given a solid rating of 7-A for piercing God Hand and removing one life from Herk.
The new rating would be:
Tier: At least 7-B with physical strikes, 7-A with Durindana
Attack Potency: At least City level with physical strikes (Has a B Rank Strength, comparable to Saber under Shirou), Mountain level with Durindana (An Anti-Army A Rank Noble Phantasm, superior in term of rank to Lancer's Gae Bolg; In its legend Durindana managed to penetrate Rho Aias' sixth layer of ox hide, could pierce God Hand and remove one life from Berserker)
What do you think?
1) Arash : Possible Stella (without Command Seals) upgrade
In Camelot Chapter 12, the Knights of the Round Table and their forces (led by 2 of the Knights, Lancelot and Tristan) invade True Assassin's village, where the Resistance (PC + Allied Servants) were hiding. Arash confronts Lancelot and is injured by Arondight Overload , which he survives. Later on, when the Resistance has arrived and kicked out Tristan (Lancelot left previously after attacking Arash), the Lion King uses Rhongomyniad (the pillar of light in the sky) to destroy the village. While everyone is panicking, Arash; still injured from his clash with Lancelot, uses Stella to stop Rhon from destroying the village, sacrificing his life in the process to save everyone.
Assuming that the scaling works, this would mean that Dendera Electric Bulb, Rhongomyniad and Stella are comparable (within the same tier) to each other. This would mean that his rating would change to this:
Tier: At least 7-B with Physical Strikes, at least 6-B with Stella, higher with Command Seals
Attack Potency: At least City level with physical strikes (Has a B-Rank Strength Stat, making him comparable to Saber), Country level with Stella, higher with Command Seals(A B++ Rank Noble Phantasm that is said to have the properties of an Anti-Fortress and an Anti-Country Noble Phantasm, stopped Rhongomyniad from destroying a village, helped Saber overpower Rider's Dendera Electric Bulb when Arash was empowered by 3 Command Seals) This may also upgrade Excalibur Proto unsealed, depending on how you view this upgrade.
2) Hector : Possible confirmed rating/upgrade for Durindana
In Okeanos Chapter 10, Jason and his gang, Herakles, Medea Lily, Hector are trying to capture Euryale, protected by the PC and their allied Servants. Herakles is engaged in a battle with Asterios (better known as the Minotaur of Crete, summoned as a Berserker), which is evenly matched. Jason, getting impatient, orders Hector to use Durindana on the two of them while they're wrestling (ala Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon) to get rid of Asterios as Herk will only lose one life (thanks to God Hand) while Asterios will be dead. Hector complies , and the two are seemingly killed (Asterios is later shown to have survived in an interlude, while Herk loses one life).
If accepted, this would mean that Durindana would be given a solid rating of 7-A for piercing God Hand and removing one life from Herk.
The new rating would be:
Tier: At least 7-B with physical strikes, 7-A with Durindana
Attack Potency: At least City level with physical strikes (Has a B Rank Strength, comparable to Saber under Shirou), Mountain level with Durindana (An Anti-Army A Rank Noble Phantasm, superior in term of rank to Lancer's Gae Bolg; In its legend Durindana managed to penetrate Rho Aias' sixth layer of ox hide, could pierce God Hand and remove one life from Berserker)
What do you think?
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Stella being comparable to Rhongomyniad and Dendera Electric Bulb seems weird when it had to be backed up by 3 command seals and Excalibur Proto to overpower DEB in the past. I'm fine with it being Country level considering it is an Anti-Country NP, but I don't think it should be on the same level as Rhon and DEB.
7-A Durindana seems fine.
7-A Durindana seems fine.
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When I said comparable, I meant it in the sense that they all should be within the same tier, not that they are all equally as strong as each other. But yeah, powerscaling within the trio of NPs is weird due to how DEB was beaten.
So 6-B Stella and 7-A Durindana seems fine to you?
So 6-B Stella and 7-A Durindana seems fine to you?
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In that case, yes on both counts.
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Yea the upgrades look fine to me since like you guys said Stella is country level while DEB and Rhon are at the very least Country level and Hector being 7-A with Durindana makes sense for multiple reasons.
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Gate to the Magical Realm Brimming with Death - Gate of Skye Rank: A Type: anti-army Range: 2 - 50 Max targets: 200 ppl
She temp summons a massive gate to her shadow realm, and it sucks in all life forms in range. If you fail to resist it with MGI or LCK, you're sucked into the gate and instantly killed.
Scathach can choose whether to let you in or not. Even if you resist it, your mana is rapidly drained and you take major damage.
This tecnique is used when she fight Cu Alter.
She temp summons a massive gate to her shadow realm, and it sucks in all life forms in range. If you fail to resist it with MGI or LCK, you're sucked into the gate and instantly killed.
Scathach can choose whether to let you in or not. Even if you resist it, your mana is rapidly drained and you take major damage.
This tecnique is used when she fight Cu Alter.
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1) Country level Stella looks okay to me. Like Prom, I'm worried that rating it as "At least 6-B" would lead others to think that Stella's on the same level as the other two.
2) Looks okay. But wouldn't this mean that Rhos Aias is Mountain level for stopping a GoB Barrage in UBW, protecting Shirou from Enuma Elish (but shattering as a result), and tanking Gae Bolg, on top of stopping Durindana?
2) Looks okay. But wouldn't this mean that Rhos Aias is Mountain level for stopping a GoB Barrage in UBW, protecting Shirou from Enuma Elish (but shattering as a result), and tanking Gae Bolg, on top of stopping Durindana?
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Plus they need your help to get materials and make the developments on the Island when i'm sure they can easily do it themselves. Cu's reaction to Scathach in her swimsuit though xD. Also that Ruler class Martha XD.KamiYasha said:
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I laughed way harder than I should have at that.
Also, Arturia mounts her Excalibur as a Water Gun attachment.
Also, Arturia mounts her Excalibur as a Water Gun attachment.
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So can I go ahead and change the ratings for Arash and Hector?
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Done with the edits. To celebrate, here's some Final Ascension artwork found by Chinese dataminers, starring everyone's favorite Sensei! (Now excuse me while I admire DAT SCÀTHACH.)KamiYasha said:
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