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Funny how nasuverse is not a powerscaling franchise yet it is so op because it is so large and the author likes using both flowery and scientific complicated words.
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The best part of it all is that a huge part of the story, the Fuyuki Holy Grail War, is a ''little ritual in the East'' and the true big guys will probably never appear.
Lorelei MIA
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yeah, but lorelei is a bitch
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Yup, that's chuunige for you.
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doesn't it require a separate profile?
or just need a separate key?
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Nothing, it's the same tiamat
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Are you saying that Tiamat that we defeated isn’t exactly her real self, but simply a copy of her self? If so, that will make sense in that case.
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Alright then.
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She have the memory not only the record, her dialogue, profile and summoning mention it.
This is mentionned nowhere, and Tiamat litteraly never died on the ritual, her body was destroyed and she was sealed in INS. The can't bypass her immortality
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Spiritual Foundation (Spirit Origin), refers to the foundation of a spritual being existence.
All servant have their spiritual origin register in throne of heroes so doesn't change a thing.
Why he could be killed by having is saint graph corrupted? Having a saint graph corrupted is different than having it being collapsed.
Who talked about erasing concept ?
The rest have nothing to do with what i talked...
It's already accepted that spirit origin contain the concept/infos/soul/mind of being, if you think otherwise you would need an other crt
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“Profile
One of the creator deities of Mesopotamian myth.
The gods were born from the union of the freshwater Abzu and the saltwater Tiamat. Then, the gods rebelled against their father, and seized authority over the world from him.
Tiamat quietly approved of her children’s actions. It was proof that her love for her children outweighed her love for her husband.
However, the gods then turned their blades on Tiamat. Tiamat wailed and raged, birthing eleven new Magical Beasts to oppose the gods.
At the end of the war, Tiamat and the Eleven Beasts were destroyed.
The gods split Tiamat’s corpse in two, and used them to form the heavens and earth. It is said that this ritual created the world of humans.”
Her body was never destroyed. It was split in two in order to form the heaven and earth
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You know that to be splited in two = destroyed??
And "At the end of the war, Tiamat and the Eleven Beasts were destroyed"
Anyways tell here she was sealed in INS not killed.
But once the Earth’s environment settled and ecosystems were established, Tiamat was deemed unnecessary and driven out into the world of imaginary numbers.
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You missing the bottom part that comes after “Tiamat and the Eleven Beasts was destroyed.”:
The gods split Tiamat’s corpse in two, and used them to form the heavens and earth. It is said that this ritual created the world of humans
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one more time being split in two and used to form heaven and earth is what except having her body destroyed???? You know destroy doesn't mean only erased huh
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Also, destroying a lifeform comes in different ways and destroying can have different definitions such as being defeated.
Whatever it is physically or not and I think in this case, she wasn’t even erased if anything.
Whatever it is physically or not and I think in this case, she wasn’t even erased if anything.
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But nobody talk about erasing here?
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Her body wasn’t even destroyed though if it is just a corpse being remained of the battle between Tiamat and her children for that matter as it will been counterintuitive for them to destroy her body if they intend to form the heaven and Earth.
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It was destroyed when they make it earth and heaven, i still doesn't understand why you try to argue with this, when this have nothing to do with the previous debate.
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I don’t think her body is necessarily destroyed when they form the earth and heaven since we don’t know that for sure that it will actually result in total destruction of her body.
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Yes, that is what's in the wikia. "A" being the important part.
Quote? They as existences in the Throne of Heroes are outside of the World and time-axis. It changes a lot. The part ''outside of the things that define existence as existing'' specially.
You????
(And actually, in Arcueid case, for example, there's no Regeneration after she had her body killed by Shiki - she literally created a whole new body, in the process gaining an entire new personality or at least 'point of view''. Spirit Origin collapsed. Okay... What exactly is being regenerated here? It's a new summoning in any sense of the word. The Briefcase is the thing that has the data recorded so they remember things anyway, as the system itself isn't nice...)
And I still have no idea what you mean by concept here.
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It isn't her original self. We killed a manifestation/vresion of it that had become a Beast-class - that are by definition things derived from Humanity. And she, I think people forget this sometimes/remember only the Anime - Tiamat was under the Self-Seal effect, and never displayed ''personality'', only ''instinct''.
As given by Independent Manifestation, even if somehow she could ''reform'' the corpse, she didn't - she manifested. (And if her body was used to form the world of Humans, she regaining control of said corpse and expressing herself through it would probably do something... Though Human Order was destroyed, so maybe not. To say something about this I would need to check more about the difference between Human Order and Humanity Consciousness/Texture)
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Yeah and apparently double checking something for Kama.
“However, enraged by this act of Kama, Shiva opened his third eye and burned Kama to death.
Having his body burned by Shiva, the god who can destroy all of creation or in other words, the universe, he was annihilated and reborn.”
It mentioned the part about how Kama was reborn.
What do you think this should been exactly?
“However, enraged by this act of Kama, Shiva opened his third eye and burned Kama to death.
Having his body burned by Shiva, the god who can destroy all of creation or in other words, the universe, he was annihilated and reborn.”
It mentioned the part about how Kama was reborn.
What do you think this should been exactly?
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Gods are either things that existed and were workship (will call natural phenomena to simplify) or humans that were workshiped. Either way, they are from a body dependent such as we are.
The first type specially - imagine trying to ''kill thunder''. It's not really something that makes sense. You either make them lose the meaning for existence as Human Order did making it so ''thunder'' follows a principle, and that is what causes it, or you make it that, for all of eternity, the conditions in which thunder manifest can never occur again - which technically is more like ''stopping thunder'' than really killing it.
The thing that defines Kama exists beyond physical materiality to be ''burned''. That body is gone, though. Arcueid had her body killed by Shiki through Eyes of Death Perception and made a (NEW) body, it's not even a new idea.
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The spirit origin is regenerated, why you talk about summoning? It's like litteraly she materialise herself she not register in throne of heroes etc to materialise hersekf she need a spirit origin and so she need to regen it. She not a data recorded nor part of the system of servant bruh
I mean what it tell two time i tell you, spirit origin is accepted as cointaining the concept of the being.
Litteraly show with solomon death, and it's explain in how chaldea is able to store the servant saint graph by doing like throne of heroes.
Chaldea Security Organization is able to store the Saint Graph data of Servants to allow for resummoning after defeat. Rather than directly returning to the Throne of Heroes, they are able to summon the same Servant with their memories intact. Within the original Chaldea base, this data was kept in Saint Graph Storage.
Your text litteraly talk about how is spirit origin is still not destroyed "halting the Spirit Origin’s disintegration by brute force" so why you even try to use it as argument ??
Quote pls.
Her profile tell not even the same thing. It was never ever mentionned in none part that this was not her original self. The whole singu contradict that, her description tell she was always mean to be a Beast that humanity need to overcome. Bruh what the people and their thinking that it exist multiple Tiamat one even her competence tell the contrary. All beast are not thing "derived" from humanity. their are being that need to be overcome by humanity. By hersekf tiamat had nothing really to do with humanity. She in first became a beast because her children the god rejected and sealed her. It just continued with humanity because their are her children too.
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This is from Tiamat’s profile translation as she does have independent manifestation:
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Indepedent Manifestation: B
A Skill to materialize into the present world as an individual entity.
Should Tiamat ever manifest herself, the Indian Ocean will be repainted over a period of seven days. From the moment of her manifestation, she gives birth to Demonic Beasts without rest, consuming all of humanity. On the other hand, because Beast II’s main body is the sea itself, she is not able to come ashore. The work of cleaning up humanity then falls upon the Demonic Beasts, her children. Also, because this Skill exemplifies how she is “already existing anywhere even in the spacetime continuum”, it will not only cancel time paradox attacks that utilize time travel, but it will also cancel all instant death attacks.”
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Indepedent Manifestation: B
A Skill to materialize into the present world as an individual entity.
Should Tiamat ever manifest herself, the Indian Ocean will be repainted over a period of seven days. From the moment of her manifestation, she gives birth to Demonic Beasts without rest, consuming all of humanity. On the other hand, because Beast II’s main body is the sea itself, she is not able to come ashore. The work of cleaning up humanity then falls upon the Demonic Beasts, her children. Also, because this Skill exemplifies how she is “already existing anywhere even in the spacetime continuum”, it will not only cancel time paradox attacks that utilize time travel, but it will also cancel all instant death attacks.”
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In the case of Solomon, he was using his own true noble phantasm in order to effectively remove himself from the Throne of Heroes’s Record IIRC.
Not sure if it is always the case anyway for other cases.
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But it doesn't exist other case, the only one we know with spirit origin collapsing etc is solomon and musashu who are not coming back and arceuid whi recreated a body and that count as regeneration so
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Nobody argue the contrary? But indépendant manifestation let you manifest yourself so no "she wasn't her true self", neither can you manifest or exist without spirit origin like show by musashi and solomon.
So it's quite simple in order to independant manifest she need a spirit origin. In order to get it she either need to recreated it or regen the two here count as regen. So change nothing in the argument
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Not sure if making a new body count as regeneration as it is technically possessing a body you made out of nothingness or out of thin air or recreating as it sounds like a creation or something.
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I mean all people above low godly recreate body out if nothing. And we have already profile that show that count as regen (shiki tohnl litteraly got negation up to mid godly because of that)
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Either way the argument of tiamat in babylonia singu not being the "true one" is a thing that got debunked numerous time. And it wore like no aspect to what i was arguing in first since it that tiamat that got her spirit origin collapsed her spirit origin and this same tiamat that remanifest in arcade.
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Hmm not sure on that, but in any case, in the case of Tiamat, I not sure if it is a high godly regen as I don’t think spirit origin collapse will equate to being conceptual erasure tbh.
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It's already accepted as being equivalent like we already tell many time. Conceptual collapse give high godly too.
Spirit origin are accepted as being the concept of a being/soul and containing soul and infos.
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Is that true? I believe this actually need a CRT as being said many times doesn’t equate to being correct all the time for that matter.
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It's already accepted in a crt.... john showed you that
