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isn't it stated that amarterasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buddha? That reminds me,
BTW nasu should really stop showing one religion as less powerful then the other. Already my country is pissed off at interpretation of parvati...
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BTW nasu should really stop showing one religion as less powerful then the other. Already my country is pissed off at interpretation of parvati...
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Why Goetia >>>>> LB Zeus and Godjuna?
Also why do you say Space Ishtar >>> Arjuna Alter
is Arcueid that strong?
What if she fights Gilgamesh CCC?
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but Amaterasu lost against Sefar and Sefar was killed by holy sword holder or if we see LB 5 that Zeus killed Sefar, so Zeus >>> Amaterasu >>>> Buddha?
what is Parvati's interpretation?
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wasn't it stated that lb zeus feared the alien god, that that the alien god was second to goetia?
Also yeah, featwise space ishtar > arjuna alter. servant universe is probably much bigger then our universe.
About parvati
IDK man, read this
Hindus urge removal of Mata Parvati from FGO mobile game where she is a 'servant' - Hindu Janajagruti Samiti
Hindus are upset at “Fate/Grand Order” mobile role-playing video game, developed by Japan’s Delightworks Inc., for reportedly introducing goddess Parvati as one of the “new” servants; saying it trivializes a highly revered Hindu deity.
www.hindujagruti.org
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Nasu wise tho? i wonder if someone seen this
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Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?
A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.
Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)
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In Nasu's personal interpretation arucid is ranked higher then void shiki.
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Q: In Nasu's work (Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime, Fate, DDD) Who's the top three strongest characters?
A: Magical Amber, Neco Arc, and Tiger. Well, not really.
Seriously, it's Arcueid, "Ryougi Shiki", and primordial demons.(Not counting Servants)
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In Nasu's personal interpretation arucid is ranked higher then void shiki.
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nasu has this weird philosophy where he doesn't count shiki omnipotence as part of her abilities "in a fight". He thinks she would lose against servants
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wait, did he outright say he does not consider shiki's omnipotence as a part of her abilities in a fight or he just responded "lol she loses to servant" when asked?
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I don't remember which one it was but he once specifically mentioned that the difference is knife vs katana
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Albion is not even the strongest in lb6.
Zeus not killed sefar in lb5. It make it escape and it was still killed by excalibur user it's tell in one of nasu interview
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He don't rank them here he just talk about who are the 3 strongest. The third is like litteraly a race....
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primordial demons refer to true daemons here right? Aka true ancestors.
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Eh, no. That's completely wrong, True Daemons have no relation to True Ancestors and I have no clue where you got that from. Not much is known about them, but the distinction between them and regular Daemons, is while regular Daemons are born from the human psyche and given a name, True Daemons have no such name, being as they were when they were brought forth by the Lord.
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ah my bad. But saver and kiara rival true daemon right?
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What happens when you watch too much Goblin Slayer.
Here is the translated explanation about True Ancestors from the Tsukihime remake:
"Like I said, it's not that I don't believe you, it's that I don't understand these so-called 'Vampires'.
You keep repeating the word 'Vampire', but it still doesn't make sense.
...I know that you're not human. That I'm confident of.
But even so, I can't bring myself to recognize that these vampires exist."
"I guess I see where you're coming from.
After all, the vampires that you imagine are completely different from the ones I'm talking about."
"...Yeah. That's exactly what I mean.
Rather than me questioning whether vampires really exist or not, it's more that I can't comprehend that this is their true nature.
Even the traditional type you talked about makes me feel hopeless. I don't even know the difference between you and them."
...That's right.
Without knowing how she's different, I shouldn't talk with her any more than I already have. I can't continue to blindly trust her.
I mean, there is a possibility that this person is even more dangerous than that Castle Lord vampire.
"I see... I guess that makes sense from a human's perspective.
They'd both look equally dangerous if you can't tell the difference."
"In that case, allow me to introduce you to yet another special lesson!
This time, we'll cover Vampires 101: Fundamentals!"
Arcueid is proudly holding her finger aloft.
"...I'm okay with that. But what the hell do you mean by 'Vampires 101'?"
"You're still a novice after all, so we'll have to start with the things even a kitten could understand, wouldn't you agree?
That's why it's called 'Vampire fundamentals'. Don't worry, as your senpai I'll be sure to teach you properly."
Who are you calling senpai? ...And besides, you already started explaining the fundamentals. This woman...
"...Hah. Fine. At the very least, try to keep it short, alright?"
"Leave it to me. I'll do my best."
I find it hard to believe an answer like that.
I already said something like this earlier, but it seems that Arcueid is not used to having conversations.
...Well, she does call herself a vampire, so maybe she's never had a chance to talk to a human before.
I look at my watch and see that it's just before midnight.
I'm surprised that it has already been that long but, fortunately, I have plenty of time.
"First, let's divide them into different types.
Although they're all generally referred to as vampires, they can broadly be categorized into two groups."
"Those that were vampires originally and those that were turned into vampires.
The former are known as True Ancestors and the latter are called Dead Apostles."
"The ones that you people call vampires would be Dead Apostles.
The explanation about the hierarchy earlier was also about the ecology of Dead Apostles. They suck the blood of humans, make servants of them, are weak to sunlight, and are defeated when confronted with a baptismal ritual.
Our enemy is also a vampire that would be classified as a Dead Apostle."
At some point, her phrasing changed from 'my enemy' to 'our enemy'. I wanted to point this out, but under the circumstances it's not wrong, so I'll let it slide.
"...Hmm. You said that Dead Apostles weren't vampires from the beginning, what did you mean by that?"
"Dead Apostles are originally things like humans, animals and anything else that weren't vampires from the start.
Some are immortalized by magecraft, while others have their blood sucked and become servants.
Well, in either case, the result is basically the same.
Those who become vampires gain an imperfect but immortal body and are removed from the human category."
"......"
So there are two types of vampires: the True Ancestors, who were vampires from the beginning,
and Dead Apostles, who were turned from humans to vampires.
...But something's off.
I feel like there is a discrepancy or a structural inconsistency in what she said.
"Hey, Shiki. How much do you know about the characteristics of vampires?"
"I only know the basics.
The common image of vampires is that they suck the blood of virgins, paralyze others with just a stare, turn themselves into mist, or transform into wolves... This is all just based on stuff that I've heard."
"Yes, everything you said is pretty much right.
The reason why they suck the blood of virgins is because their blood, which has not been exchanged with other humans yet, is suitable for replenishing their genes. The main difference is that it is more nutritious compared to regular blood."
"Dead Apostles―――those who turned into vampires―――are imperfectly immortal. It is true that as an immortal, they have transformed into a life form with dynamic cells that are difficult to kill.
However, just like a burning flame, they must constantly replenish their energy or else they will be extinguished."
"All living things need nourishment in order to function, right? It's the same thing. The only difference is that so long as they continue to consume blood, a vampire's lifespan has no limit."
"Dead Apostles, or those that have turned into vampires, suck blood because they need it to survive.
They were originally human, so it's impossible for them to have an immortal body."
"The longer they live, and the more power they gain, the less the genes that make up their own bodies are able to bear the build-up of atoms. If they don't continue to increase their strength, they will collapse, but if they increase their strength too much, they will not be able to maintain their own shape."//Sentence makes no sense in JP either, don't worry.
"So what do they do to make up for it?
It's simple. As their own genes become corrupted, they take in the normal ones from elsewhere to supplement the ones that are lost."
"The same way that humans prefer organic compounds in their diet.
Vampires gather both that normal genetic information and calories from blood. The soul's calorific value, if you will."
"In other words, they fix their own bodies by sucking human blood and taking in their genetic information.
For the Dead Apostles, sucking blood is not only a way to feed and pool their power, but it's also essential for their continued existence."
"......"
How complicated. Not to mention long.
Despite the fact that I am barely keeping up with these explanations, Arcueid continues to plow on without a care.
You keep repeating the word 'Vampire', but it still doesn't make sense.
...I know that you're not human. That I'm confident of.
But even so, I can't bring myself to recognize that these vampires exist."
"I guess I see where you're coming from.
After all, the vampires that you imagine are completely different from the ones I'm talking about."
"...Yeah. That's exactly what I mean.
Rather than me questioning whether vampires really exist or not, it's more that I can't comprehend that this is their true nature.
Even the traditional type you talked about makes me feel hopeless. I don't even know the difference between you and them."
...That's right.
Without knowing how she's different, I shouldn't talk with her any more than I already have. I can't continue to blindly trust her.
I mean, there is a possibility that this person is even more dangerous than that Castle Lord vampire.
"I see... I guess that makes sense from a human's perspective.
They'd both look equally dangerous if you can't tell the difference."
"In that case, allow me to introduce you to yet another special lesson!
This time, we'll cover Vampires 101: Fundamentals!"
Arcueid is proudly holding her finger aloft.
"...I'm okay with that. But what the hell do you mean by 'Vampires 101'?"
"You're still a novice after all, so we'll have to start with the things even a kitten could understand, wouldn't you agree?
That's why it's called 'Vampire fundamentals'. Don't worry, as your senpai I'll be sure to teach you properly."
Who are you calling senpai? ...And besides, you already started explaining the fundamentals. This woman...
"...Hah. Fine. At the very least, try to keep it short, alright?"
"Leave it to me. I'll do my best."
I find it hard to believe an answer like that.
I already said something like this earlier, but it seems that Arcueid is not used to having conversations.
...Well, she does call herself a vampire, so maybe she's never had a chance to talk to a human before.
I look at my watch and see that it's just before midnight.
I'm surprised that it has already been that long but, fortunately, I have plenty of time.
"First, let's divide them into different types.
Although they're all generally referred to as vampires, they can broadly be categorized into two groups."
"Those that were vampires originally and those that were turned into vampires.
The former are known as True Ancestors and the latter are called Dead Apostles."
"The ones that you people call vampires would be Dead Apostles.
The explanation about the hierarchy earlier was also about the ecology of Dead Apostles. They suck the blood of humans, make servants of them, are weak to sunlight, and are defeated when confronted with a baptismal ritual.
Our enemy is also a vampire that would be classified as a Dead Apostle."
At some point, her phrasing changed from 'my enemy' to 'our enemy'. I wanted to point this out, but under the circumstances it's not wrong, so I'll let it slide.
"...Hmm. You said that Dead Apostles weren't vampires from the beginning, what did you mean by that?"
"Dead Apostles are originally things like humans, animals and anything else that weren't vampires from the start.
Some are immortalized by magecraft, while others have their blood sucked and become servants.
Well, in either case, the result is basically the same.
Those who become vampires gain an imperfect but immortal body and are removed from the human category."
"......"
So there are two types of vampires: the True Ancestors, who were vampires from the beginning,
and Dead Apostles, who were turned from humans to vampires.
...But something's off.
I feel like there is a discrepancy or a structural inconsistency in what she said.
"Hey, Shiki. How much do you know about the characteristics of vampires?"
"I only know the basics.
The common image of vampires is that they suck the blood of virgins, paralyze others with just a stare, turn themselves into mist, or transform into wolves... This is all just based on stuff that I've heard."
"Yes, everything you said is pretty much right.
The reason why they suck the blood of virgins is because their blood, which has not been exchanged with other humans yet, is suitable for replenishing their genes. The main difference is that it is more nutritious compared to regular blood."
"Dead Apostles―――those who turned into vampires―――are imperfectly immortal. It is true that as an immortal, they have transformed into a life form with dynamic cells that are difficult to kill.
However, just like a burning flame, they must constantly replenish their energy or else they will be extinguished."
"All living things need nourishment in order to function, right? It's the same thing. The only difference is that so long as they continue to consume blood, a vampire's lifespan has no limit."
"Dead Apostles, or those that have turned into vampires, suck blood because they need it to survive.
They were originally human, so it's impossible for them to have an immortal body."
"The longer they live, and the more power they gain, the less the genes that make up their own bodies are able to bear the build-up of atoms. If they don't continue to increase their strength, they will collapse, but if they increase their strength too much, they will not be able to maintain their own shape."//Sentence makes no sense in JP either, don't worry.
"So what do they do to make up for it?
It's simple. As their own genes become corrupted, they take in the normal ones from elsewhere to supplement the ones that are lost."
"The same way that humans prefer organic compounds in their diet.
Vampires gather both that normal genetic information and calories from blood. The soul's calorific value, if you will."
"In other words, they fix their own bodies by sucking human blood and taking in their genetic information.
For the Dead Apostles, sucking blood is not only a way to feed and pool their power, but it's also essential for their continued existence."
"......"
How complicated. Not to mention long.
Despite the fact that I am barely keeping up with these explanations, Arcueid continues to plow on without a care.
True Ancestors are naturally occurring vampires who were never human. Incarnated Elemental Spirits who drink blood.
Arcueid and Yu Mei-ren are both True Ancestors.
From the remake's Material:
| True Ancestor The vampires of the beginning. One of the races of fairy called Elementals which were made independent as the planet’s own sense of touch. They are a completely different species from the Dead Apostles who were formerly humans, and beings close to limitless immortality, not affected by any religious rite of purification, nor by sunlight. Receiving back-up from the planet the limits of their activity could be said to be the limits of the natural world itself, and if one thought of the Earth as an individual life form they would be something like leukocytes, equivalent to the main cause of the extermination of humans who prey on nature. Just as humans perceive the vampires who prey upon themselves as “evil,” for the True Ancestors, the humans who plunder resources while receiving the favor of the planet are “evil”…… That’s how things are. Vampiric Impulse Even the species akin to the gods that are True Ancestors is burdened with a flaw since birth. Regardless of it not being necessary for their vital activity, they seek “human blood” due to a primeval desire to want to absorb information from intelligent life forms ——— This is an instinct as a species called Vampiric Impulses. The True Ancestors who kept sucking blood and indulging in pleasure, would eventually become powerful vampires and begin the pollution of the world. They would fall to become beasts. In order to prevent that disgraceful fate, they used their powerful superhuman abilities to suppress their Vampiric Impulses. When they realize they cannot hold their urges any longer, True Ancestors will choose eternal sleep for themselves. That is equivalent to being a life span for those who naturally don’t have a life span, and the end of their lengthy journey. |
Saver would be a Buddha, not a demon. Here is the explanation of demons from the Fate/EXTRA materials:
True Demon
[concept]
Even in the EXTRA world, things which fall under the category of demons are treated as the greatest obstacle to mankind’s continued existence.
Humans think of God as a being who is all-knowing and all-powerful, but a demon is an existence that cannot be comprehended through human intelligence or knowledge.
The concept of what a demon is lay within reach, but it is part of an abyss that is impossible to truly comprehend.
In Fate/stay night, the only demons that appear are fakes; humans could never match up to a true flesh-and-blood incarnated demon.
(There’s only one record of a flesh-and-blood incarnated demon being dispelled, but that’s another story).
Demons are normally said to be beings which possess humans and try to make a human body their own, but the mind of any human they possess to make their own is unable to bear the great burden, and so the body and demon end up disintegrating into pieces which spread evil power into the surroundings.
This definition of demon also includes humans who have lost their humanity due to their actions and as a result fall into the same category as demons. However a human who has transformed into a demon is not a True Demon.
In the EXTRA world, in present day 2030, there has not been a single case of True Demon being successfully born into the world, this includes through demons possessing humans and humans transforming into demons through their actions.
We talk about demons and humans transformed into demons, but really as far as we are concerned demons are no different than a higher dimensional beings from a different planet, different civilization. No matter where you go in the known universe, they would never be recognized as “human.”
The existence of a True Demon is close to that of the evil gods from a certain creation mythology that was popular in the twentieth century.
In the True End Route of CCC, a certain reincarnated person who has essentially attained True Demon level loses their seat as a god due to a clumsy mistake.
[concept]
Even in the EXTRA world, things which fall under the category of demons are treated as the greatest obstacle to mankind’s continued existence.
Humans think of God as a being who is all-knowing and all-powerful, but a demon is an existence that cannot be comprehended through human intelligence or knowledge.
The concept of what a demon is lay within reach, but it is part of an abyss that is impossible to truly comprehend.
In Fate/stay night, the only demons that appear are fakes; humans could never match up to a true flesh-and-blood incarnated demon.
(There’s only one record of a flesh-and-blood incarnated demon being dispelled, but that’s another story).
Demons are normally said to be beings which possess humans and try to make a human body their own, but the mind of any human they possess to make their own is unable to bear the great burden, and so the body and demon end up disintegrating into pieces which spread evil power into the surroundings.
This definition of demon also includes humans who have lost their humanity due to their actions and as a result fall into the same category as demons. However a human who has transformed into a demon is not a True Demon.
In the EXTRA world, in present day 2030, there has not been a single case of True Demon being successfully born into the world, this includes through demons possessing humans and humans transforming into demons through their actions.
We talk about demons and humans transformed into demons, but really as far as we are concerned demons are no different than a higher dimensional beings from a different planet, different civilization. No matter where you go in the known universe, they would never be recognized as “human.”
The existence of a True Demon is close to that of the evil gods from a certain creation mythology that was popular in the twentieth century.
In the True End Route of CCC, a certain reincarnated person who has essentially attained True Demon level loses their seat as a god due to a clumsy mistake.
Nasu has a 2007 statement that the three strongest non-Servants characters are Arcueid, Shiki Ryougi, and primordial demons.
Fake Berserker's From Hell form transforms him into a demon, and Hansa said that he'd be calling the Burial Agency if he didn't know it is a Servant's temporary transformation, so this would be what at least some of them look like:
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from hell jack is an human thought-made daemon though right?
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True Demons have not been explored a lot, but the description always made me think of TYPEs
Or, thinking about it now, after Avalon LB, Great Fairies (the whole not part of humanity ideation and etc) ''gone Mors''/rendered meaningless? (And even though TA are called Great Fairies or similar to them in one of the descriptions, they were still made after Humans and still participate in their civilization's sphere, so that would technically eliminate them.)
Or, thinking about it now, after Avalon LB, Great Fairies (the whole not part of humanity ideation and etc) ''gone Mors''/rendered meaningless? (And even though TA are called Great Fairies or similar to them in one of the descriptions, they were still made after Humans and still participate in their civilization's sphere, so that would technically eliminate them.)
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I hope that ufotable is working on it
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Don't understand what you have tell for fairies...
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ARCADE WHAT THE ****?
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Oh yeah lily tiamat in arcade is our tiamat that decided to protect humanity. Which mean the debate on her being completly dead after the singu is finish lol
- Tiamat was defeated in 2017 (almost matches FGO mobile timeline) by mankind
- Cannot stand the fact that another "Disaster from the Sea" much like herself (aka another Beast) is about to destroy mankind
- Manifested as a young child in order to protect mankind
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ONOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Actually it already diverged completely from the mobile last I checked like in the American Singularity, it was Sita that appear instead of Rama.
Also don’t even get me started on the Camelot Singularity which completely differ from the mobile version so at this point, it no longer even strictly follows mobile storylines anyway.
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Nobody tell that you know.... Just tell that the description and the summoning line of larve tiamat litteraly tell she the tiamat we defeated and she come here in arcade to save mankind
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YOU LITTLE SON OF *********************************************!!!! **** YOU ARCADE!!! **** YOU!!!
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Alrighty.
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I'm not joking, this seriously piss me off, the only positive thing is that this show that Tiamat indeed can be a servant, so the hope that they finally give her to us in mobile exist. Like, most of my saved SQ are for a servant Tiamat so when she come in a collaboration with arcade or whatever I'm gonna get her.
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yikes man
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“I hate Arcade” memes aside (Doesn’t have to be a joke, but a behavior), I do appreciate Tiamat making a return in Arcade to help out humanity even if it is questionable.
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anything can be a servant if you whale hard enough
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probably low or mid godly
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High godly so
Well, her Spirit Origin collapse.
And Spirit Origin, is soul, concept and info.......
