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There are verses other than Nasuverse that I'm interested in (like Opm, bleach, jojo, sonic, pokemon), but I want Nasuverse to reach higher heights the most.
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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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Vietthai96
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Or being a casual supporter like me
LamentSatanael
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Yeah no, I agree but they weren't exactly "born" evil as in they aren't "pure evil" outright.
Roa was capable of good in OG, his convictions were born of human advancements and such; seeking his only form of knowledge unto eternity and to know of everything ergo the truth. That in itself isn't "wrong" or wrong in any "form"; what's wrong are the methods he adapted after having met Arcueid; breaking himself in the process. But otherwise, he was pretty fine during his human days, he only became irredeemable after having turned a Dead Apostle. Likewise with Nrvnqsr/Fabro Rowan, heck you can't even call him a 'person' in the truest sense; but otherwise, he was a wandering mage for a good chunk of his life and generally a decent guy focused on his research for example.
Lio was never born evil; his obsession with love is what turned him but for a good half of his life; dude was generally a below average - average guy as a human.
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Your ideals or research are not an excuse to become Slasher Movie villains as many other magi in TM such as Sion or Ciel are nowhere near as evil as Nrvnqsr or Roa not to mention the mats call Roa pure selfishness personified and we have no idea how Nrvnqsr was as a person but based on the track record Roa had as a person in his KT side story I can guess he was power hungry and tyrannical like Roa and Lio is another case what kind of a person cannibiliszes on someone due to losing a game and not only that but LIO hated everyone even prior to becoming a monsterous predator as he is described as a misanthrope with no freinds other then obessesing over Ryougi due to her in his eyes not being human and Mikiya who is a doormat who pretty much is a magnet for absurd outlier inhuman "humans" and the way he kills people (nrvnqsr and roa too btw) negated any redeeming qualities they may or may not've possesed in life so therefore, these 3 are the most evil TM villains and very much are Pure Evil wether they were born good or not does not matter at such a stage.
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Yo, I'll respond to that after a few hours. I think this is an interesting conversation we're having.
LamentSatanael
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Also— question, @KingNanaya are you to DB what Sweet Dao is to IB?
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Potentially. I have some plans.
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Well yea ofc its rare to find people invested in older tm works.
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He's my pookie, he knows stuff. Although his fight will surely be harder than mine.
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What the hell is IB? Imagine Breaker?
LamentSatanael
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Idea Blood
Karabach-barabach
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Ah, well, ok then
KingNanaya
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I thought you were talking about instant death and dragon ball
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he was, it’s a joke
Karabach-barabach
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I was about to think like that too, but "Instant Beath" didn't sound, so I assumed other
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Tsukihime,KNK,FSN: urban fantasy works that are typically enclosed in a singular city.
Scalers: ah yes, this seems like multi-outerversal
Scalers: ah yes, this seems like multi-outerversal
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Should I assume you said this to me?
LamentSatanael
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Idea Blood >>>> Instant Bread
Definitely agree, I think this is why they even become 'villains' in the first place. They take their ideals (which are quite common to have delusions of wanting to know everything or let's say a crush on Ryougi) to the extremes. Their ideals are excused but their deeds definitely aren't.
Sion, yeah. Ciel one is a half-half since her actions at the French Incident were half on her since she seemed to be enjoying it herself. Roa was technically a will that forced his hosts to bring out the darkness in their hearts out at front; meaning every single action Roa as Elesia did in her town; a part of her wanted to do it herself.
Roa, I think selfishness is a given since he lacks the empathy to connect with others. Not to mention, his 'love' for Arcueid was entirely selfishness related to his selfish desire to seek eternity. I think another major point is that Roa when he "fell" for Arcueid, he broke as we're told and it's in a way symbolic of the 17 pieces; he couldn't come to terms with the fact he started harbouring feelings of love for someone other than himself (even though he did not understand love) and then began hating on her for that very reason.
Seems to be a Wandering magus observing parallel worlds or something; probably not harmful enough but gotta keep in mind he used magecraft himself to turn into a Dead Apostle.
I think Roa in OG definitely got tyrannical and power-hungry, especially in his first body since we know he tried making a DA faction and it somewhat got big to the point every other Ancestor had to react in time to stop him.
Definitely agree, what they did doesn't excuse them for their deeds.
I do agree with your reasoning but for some reason, I feel I'm missing out on someone important. Can't recall quite yet.
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Thats also true but Ciel is far more "sympathetic" and tragic then Roa and not to mention we have no idea what kind of life Roa had as a human other then him being involved in the church for narbraks sake which easily could be obessive or pragmatic.
Roa obesses over his victims like many other serial killers or maniacs such as Patrick Bateman and the likes and obviously Roa would never understand love as it were.
Still seems rather suspcious but whatever.
Roa did not care about making a DA faction he wanted to become a DAA to contiune his research he already had massive amounts of power and even reached the peak of magecraft as a human which is insane since Unified Language is still under it's fold and he was so powerful that all the 27 combined left him alone and he only becomes a DAA for research not for power.
Lio is compared to Micheal Myres and Roa to Freddy Kreuger for a reason outside the TM community.
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what the hell is the sixth law?
all thats known about is is that it seems to be magic, is related to the true ancestors, and is some facet of the crimson moon (as wallachia says this):
all thats known about is is that it seems to be magic, is related to the true ancestors, and is some facet of the crimson moon (as wallachia says this):
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I don't think the meaning/what it would be able to do is ever mentioned.
It's not a facet of of Crimson Moon, though - it's a System of the Planet/Earth. CM just hacked his way inside when Earth called and shit.
The phrase about CM is because Tatari seeked to become a TA, don't remeber if the specifics were ever mentioned, not because the Sixth is related to CM himself.
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LamentSatanael
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Technically Narbareck's ancestor or something, no? Or are we confirmed it's actual Narbareck? Don't rly remember this tidbit but from what I remember, it should probably be her ancestor.
If I watched American Psycho 22 times, am I the psycho?
Yeah, Roa is pure individualism taken to its extremes and all he seeks is the truth of everything, not caring for an iota of life in the process. Although, I'd say— I don't think he went murdering people or anything while he was still human, but he presumably didn't even care nor bother to. When he realised how short his life is compared to the ever-expanding universe and its knowledge of treasure troves. Aristotle believed that humans have a natural desire to know, Roa is an example of this taken to the very extremes. Reminding us of the factual that no matter what it takes to reach your goal or how harsh obtaining your goals are, you should never lose your values in sight of the greater thing; sometimes what you need to focus is upholding the small things that make you what you are.
Real impressive yeah, although DAA and his ideals conflicted on their main thesis of 'immortality', rest of the DAAs thought it was plenty enough at the level of immortality they were at but Roa wasn't satisfied at this notion of "false immortality" and sought heights beyond it; NRVNQSR is his friend because he's the same. He doesn't really care about DA stuff; more so seeks to reach heights beyond where he is and whatever he is (absorbing Arcueid) but like wasn't Roa in Tsuki OG described to have freed the DAA's captured by church, eliminating the True Ancestors (freeing the "blood bags" who were under them as well) and Altrouge being sent to dispatch him to teach him a lesson due to his increasing power and "influence"? Might be misremembering though.
Crazy ass comparison but makes real sense.
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It is her ancestor
Roa folded Altrouge even at her full power as she would have no reason to leave him be and he beat her so badly the rest of the 27 left him alone and he probably gained many of Arcueid's powers by being bitten by her such as MP etc and He as a Human in my eyes already surpassed the rest of the 27 by a far greater amount then most believe as even though the power he took from Arc was large it would not be nearly enough to make him go (if he was relative or weaker then Altrouge even) to his Prime Selves power. Also, Roa as a human fought 10 demon lords aka fallen true ancestors using there full reality warping powers to warp gaia and its natural configuration of laws through MP and these 10 demon lords were implied to be too much for Arceuid as the true ancestors asked Roa for help and Arcueid at this time unlike when we see her is able to use her full power (not Archetype) without any bloodlust as she had non unlike other TA's. So yes, he is really impresssive
Roa i'll admit is more tragic then someone like Freddy Kregur or Micheal Myres as he did not wake up one day and started to kill people but as a DAA he basically stoops to thier level regardless morally and is utterly iredeeamble unlike say Kohaku, Akiha, Ciel, etc who despite being terrible could be understood and reasoned with Roa though is like the Joker pure madness and insanity beyond human comprehension. Also, Pure-Evil same with Nrvnqsr and Lio obviously.
Roa like Freddy is a supernatural wraith that lives on forever and torment's the victims of a small town and obesses over his victims and Lio just wanted to eat and kill for basically no reason.
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It's her ancestor, but they have the same name, for some reason.
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Magi are generally evil little ***** in type moon
They would do ANYTHING if it meant getting one step closer to the root
They would do ANYTHING if it meant getting one step closer to the root
LamentSatanael
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I mean, a representative of how far humanity would go as a collective or an individual for "superficial power", losing sight of who they were originally in the process. That being said, they aren't necessarily bad since human civilization has thrived and been destroyed by the "extremism" of many all the same to achieve said goals.
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R>F Off Panel Sonic Key
Off Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often...
if this gets accepted, you can probably aim for 1-A Taiga Dojo or Ciel Sensei.
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Become reverse wankbreaker and reverse wank break Taiga to 1-A please, i'll give you a cookie if you doR>F Off Panel Sonic Key
Off Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often...vsbattles.com
if this gets accepted, you can probably aim for 1-A Taiga Dojo or Ciel Sensei.
this will not upgrade the root, lol
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Ultima is being a FUN KILLER, so ill wait and see how the sonic one goes first
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Taiga is the Void Shiki killer we deserveUltima is being a FUN KILLER, so ill wait and see how the sonic one goes first
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As much as that would be funny, they're alternate worlds, not higher realms, as far as I remember. Though, maybe that one Neco-Arc scene in Type-Lumina could work...R>F Off Panel Sonic Key
Off Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often...
if this gets accepted, you can probably aim for 1-A Taiga Dojo or Ciel Sensei.
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Hey, remember the guy who beat ORT? Well, it turns out that they beat ORT without Merlin's buff! They made a second post (that I linked) that says that Merlin's buff would mean you can beat ORT with certainty (or something like that, I don't know if Twitter's/X's translate feature was accurate in this case).
Maybe everyone else knew this already, but I didn't know.
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real
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I'm more surprised he's using Atrum CE TBH
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Taiga and Illya mention “looking down” at earth, and a few other r>f things
Also, send the scene?
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Neco Arc and the tsuki cast has thematic R>F because they see it as a gacha game! lmao
