Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

[Wankbreaker]

Astolfo

death.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

death.

It's ok, i know who my ops are now

 

[korea1234]

I don't understand why Gilgamesh's full-power Enuma Elish is a 1-C tier.

Gilgamesh is weaker than Goetia and Zeus, and there is a setting that says he cannot destroy Avalon.

Despite this, Gilgamesh's profile says that a full-powered Enuma Elish is tier 1-C.

Tier: High 6-C, High 6-C to Low 6-B with Gate of Babylon, at least Low 6-B with Enuma Elish, 1-C with Full Power Enuma Elish

I think the tier of Gilgamesh's Full Power Enuma Elish should be changed.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Shirou Emiya is cool so I think he should get 1-B with his regular punches and High 1-A for UBW.

 

[LamentSatanael]

I don't understand why Gilgamesh's full-power Enuma Elish is a 1-C tier.

Gilgamesh is weaker than Goetia and Zeus, and there is a setting that says he cannot destroy Avalon.

Despite this, Gilgamesh's profile says that a full-powered Enuma Elish is tier 1-C.

Tier: High 6-C, High 6-C to Low 6-B with Gate of Babylon, at least Low 6-B with Enuma Elish, 1-C with Full Power Enuma Elish

I think the tier of Gilgamesh's Full Power Enuma Elish should be changed.

Imagine thinking EA scales to Avalon in big 2024

 

[Deadlock-333]

The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.

Alright first thing first don't use the word reverse side of the world
Reverse side of the world refers to 2 things
1) Avalon (which is part of the observable universe, since it can be interacted with)
2) Void space also exists on the reverse side of the world (but it exists by being unobservable i.e imaginary numbers)

Be clear what you're referring to , before you start mixing the 2 together

Well judging from your other comment I believe you're talking about Avalon. What about it? It doesn't exist in lb6?
If only we had a section completely dedicated to Avalon with a special map and background music and story sections and all where we forged a weapon against threats to humanity like the PHH Avalon

Merlin says that this version is a cheap copy of the original but
1) I don't think it's any worse than the original since it has the same capabilities, capabilities like forging weapons against threats to humanity
Like a hero of justice once said "there is no rule that an imitation can't surpass the original"(jk)
2) bro just stop I'm almost convinced you didn't read the story properly or at all. Vortigern was not just going to destroy the lb6 but PHH as well which would result in the destruction of Avalon from phh. It's literally the main plot point of abyssal worm not only affecting British lost world but escaping it and spreading to PHH.
Read the story before making up presumptions

3) Fairies abandoning has absolutely nothing to do with Avalon not existing, the consequence was that a weapon wasn't created to defeat Sefar, where do you think cernunous and his priestess retreated to escape from the white titan who was hell bent on destroying civilizations and pantheons

So, flowery text that means nothing, cool.

That's a nice argument you got there Mr senator, care to elaborate

Apparently something you don't agree with you never bother to give a direct answer, and try to drag the conservation by saying FlOwEry lAnGuagE

Just say no that you don't believe in Zeus's capabilities because you said so so we can move on

The inner sea isnt mentioned here, just the physical layers of the planet?

I not gonna argue on this point much, anyone can have their opinion, since I'm pretty sure Kiara becoming the planet itself would grant her the authority to bypass Avalon since Avalon is very much part of earth, it just ignores interference up to 6th dimension
Any other statement about reverse side of the world being unobservable/untouched is about void space not Avalon

Also you yourself admitted that Albion was able to reach the entrance of Avalon just by digging through the earth (he most likely knew about the entrance that's his remanent also appeared when we wanted to enter Avalon in lb6, can't remember what he said thou something something about judging)

It is the "greatest defense in this world" (meaning its the most effective defensive noble phantasm), and can block true magic, which what do you know, Goetia's plan uses the 5th magic!

Since this is main point you're stuck at I'll deal with now
"The Fifth Magic (第五魔法, Daigo Mahō): also known as Magic Blue (魔法・青, Mahō Ao); Its exact domain is unknown, but it has abilities related to Time Travel (時間旅行, Jikan Ryokō) and making the laws of conservation of mass shoulder the debts of a past without future."

(I'm not too familiar with tsukihime,any tsukihime fan can correct me if I'm wrong here with explanation )

So this is the main issue right
Well FIRST I mean once again you've completely butchered Goetia's abilities by using assumptions
It explicitly says"unknown and time travel, time related abilities"

1) You don't know the difference between goetia's AAS and HUMAN ORDER INCINERATION
2) Human order incineration aka Goetia's master plan to use humanity as a fuel to go back in time to recreate the planet without death , what do you know that's time travel and it's only hinted to be somewhat similar to true magic and not exactly the same thing. Mind showing me where it states that it's the exact same thing
3)AAS :is the third Noble Phantasm of King Solomon The "|" of original sin. At a first glance, it looks like a ring of light that encircles the Earth.In reality, it is an aggregation of hundreds of millions of beams of light, cast over the satellite orbit and with a size close if not equal to that of North America.Each one of these lines carries extreme damage values comparable to Excalibur, an A Rank Noble Phantasm. The band of light is made up of all the Magical Energy gathered from Earth and the entire era where it manifests"
4) you saying Avalon blocks true magic like the 5th only proves that since it's somewhat similar Only Avalon maybe able to resist the effects of time travel and nothing else since the time travel part is related to the 5th

How exactly this help Avalon against AAS which is a giant space Laser(there I said it, it couldn't be simpler) break apart the planet itself

Unless you also most definitely believe that time travel and space lasers are of the same category

It's defense also "goes beyond the level of just mere defense"

Again with Avalon glazing I already told you this proves nothing and I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
""Goes beyond the level of just mere defense"
You know what that sounds like, yeah sounds like FloWeRy lAnGuage since goetia , vortigern and Zeus says otherwise

read kara no kyoukai. the counter force isnt a shield. who told you this?


───そうかもしれない。


　抑止力というのはね、我々にとって最大の味方でもあり、同時に最大の敵でもある〝方向の修復者〟を指す。


　私達人間は死にたくない。平和でいたい。


　私達のいる星だって死にたくない。長生きしたい。


　抑止力というのはそれだ。霊長という群体の誰もが持つ統一された意識、自分達の世を存続させたいという願望。我を取り外してヒトという種の本能にある方向性が収束し、カタチになったもの。それが抑止力とよばれるカウンターガーディアン。


　そうだな、例えばａという優れた人間が独裁を行なったとしよう。彼は正義の人で、その統治は理想的であったとする。人間が人間として見た道徳性の限りでね。しかしａの行動がひとりの人間としてではなく、霊長全体の視点から見て悪、つまり滅びの要因となる場合、抑止力は具現する。


　コレは霊長の世を存続させたい、というａさえ含めた人類の無意識下の集合体だ。人類を守る為に人類を拘束するこの存在は、誰も知らないうちに現れ、誰にも観測される事なくａを消滅させる。人々の無意識下の渦が作り上げた代表者は、やはり無意識であるが故に意識されない。


　とはいっても、何もカタチのない意識が呪いになってａを殺す訳ではない。抑止力は、たいてい媒体となりうる人間に宿り、敵となるａを駆逐する。媒体になった人間はａを倒す為だけの能力を持つが、それ以上の能力は与えられない。ａにとって代わる事ができないようにね。抑止力という霊長全体の意志を受けとめられる受信者、そういった特殊なチャンネルを持つ人間というのは稀に存在する。歴史は、これを英雄と呼んでもてはやすんだ。


　だが近代になってこの呼び名は使われないな。文明が発達して、人間が自分達自身を滅ぼすなんて事は簡単になってしまった。どこぞの企業の会長が全財力を傾けてアマゾンの森林の伐採量を増やせば、一年後にも地球は終わる。ほら、いつでもどこでも地球のピンチだろ？　抑止力に衝き動かされて誰も知らないうちに世界を救っている、なんて輩やからはごまんといるんだ。英雄は一世代に一人だけ。世界を救う、なんて程度の事じゃあ現代では英雄とは呼ばれない。また、このａが人間の手におえない場合、抑止力は自然現象となってａもろとも周囲を消滅させる。大昔、どこぞの大陸が沈んだのもこいつの仕業さ。


　……こう話すと人類の守護者そのものなんだが、こいつには人間としての感情がない。時には万人を幸せにするという行為の前に立ち塞がる事もある。厄介なのは、こいつが結局人間そのものの代表者だという事だ。

Considering how quickly you replied yesterday I'm sure you didn't read my comment properly
Holy shit bro pulled out a japanese paragraph when he completely misread what I said (I can't even speak Japanese )
Where did I say that counter force is a literal shield

The main point that I was trying to make was that counter force is very efficient and deals with threats to humanity before they can do any permanent damage to Earth since counter force is not bound by time and is extremely intelligent

Even koyanskaya admits as much in Tunguska that even thou Taigong Wang's spell failed , he still was the best possible candidate to deal with her

 

[Deadlock-333]

Regarding what @Deadlock-333 said; I've argued and discussed about certain stuff off-site and it is more or less correct which I agree with.

The statement more or less in tldr is that Lord Camelot with full willpower is better than Avalon against Planet Busters or similar stuff; especially feats wise which I agree with given Avalon feats wise isn't all that BUT your statement makes it seem like LC > Avalon wholly because of the gimmicks. It all comes down to circumstances.

Both have equivalent wank as the "greatest defence".

It wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup

Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win

 

[LamentSatanael]

Merlin says that this version is a cheap copy of the original but
1) I don't think it's any worse than the original since it has the same capabilities, capabilities like forging weapons against threats to humanity

Agree with most of your points but the fact it's stated it's a cheap copy of the original mostly means the original >= the copy; but you aren't wrong exactly. Just because it's a copy doesn't mean it isn't 1:1; the keyword here is most "cheap" to focus on which in the end is merely semantics where we'll get nowhere squabbling with.

2) bro just stop I'm almost convinced you didn't read the story properly or at all. Vortigern was not just going to destroy the lb6 but PHH as well which would result in the destruction of Avalon from phh. It's literally the main plot point of abyssal worm not only affecting British lost world but escaping it and spreading to PHH.

I did tell her this yes.

That's a nice argument you got there Mr senator, care to elaborate

 

[Deadlock-333]

You lost me when you tried to argue Zeus' full Functionalities/Authorities (+Crown) are less powerful than Goetia...

It's crazy right but canonically goetia is stronger than Zeus

Goetia is just that busted by fate standards

 

[LamentSatanael]

It wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup

Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win

Basically: have two people fight; whoever loses is the stronger one.

That is Fate; rather most of Nasuverse explained in all of it's certainty

 

[Karabach-barabach]

I did tell her this yes.

Wait, Wankbreaker is a girl? .-.

 

[Robo432343]

@GarrixianXD nasuverse is not very popular in this site compared to the others

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

@GarrixianXD nasuverse is not very popular in this site compared to the others

but it still has a very massive amount of material so limiting to 3 CRTs is very restrictive

 

[LamentSatanael]

Wait, Wankbreaker is a girl? .-.

the sky is blue

 

[Wankbreaker]

It wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup

Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win

one can block MEODP and all 5 true magics

the other is lord camelot