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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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It's ok, i know who my ops are now
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I don't understand why Gilgamesh's full-power Enuma Elish is a 1-C tier.
Gilgamesh is weaker than Goetia and Zeus, and there is a setting that says he cannot destroy Avalon.
Despite this, Gilgamesh's profile says that a full-powered Enuma Elish is tier 1-C.
Tier: High 6-C, High 6-C to Low 6-B with Gate of Babylon, at least Low 6-B with Enuma Elish, 1-C with Full Power Enuma Elish
I think the tier of Gilgamesh's Full Power Enuma Elish should be changed.
Gilgamesh is weaker than Goetia and Zeus, and there is a setting that says he cannot destroy Avalon.
Despite this, Gilgamesh's profile says that a full-powered Enuma Elish is tier 1-C.
Tier: High 6-C, High 6-C to Low 6-B with Gate of Babylon, at least Low 6-B with Enuma Elish, 1-C with Full Power Enuma Elish
I think the tier of Gilgamesh's Full Power Enuma Elish should be changed.
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Shirou Emiya is cool so I think he should get 1-B with his regular punches and High 1-A for UBW.
LamentSatanael
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Imagine thinking EA scales to Avalon in big 2024
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Alright first thing first don't use the word reverse side of the world
Reverse side of the world refers to 2 things
1) Avalon (which is part of the observable universe, since it can be interacted with)
2) Void space also exists on the reverse side of the world (but it exists by being unobservable i.e imaginary numbers)
Be clear what you're referring to , before you start mixing the 2 together
Well judging from your other comment I believe you're talking about Avalon. What about it? It doesn't exist in lb6?
If only we had a section completely dedicated to Avalon with a special map and background music and story sections and all where we forged a weapon against threats to humanity like the PHH Avalon
Merlin says that this version is a cheap copy of the original but
1) I don't think it's any worse than the original since it has the same capabilities, capabilities like forging weapons against threats to humanity
Like a hero of justice once said "there is no rule that an imitation can't surpass the original"(jk)
2) bro just stop I'm almost convinced you didn't read the story properly or at all. Vortigern was not just going to destroy the lb6 but PHH as well which would result in the destruction of Avalon from phh. It's literally the main plot point of abyssal worm not only affecting British lost world but escaping it and spreading to PHH.
Read the story before making up presumptions
3) Fairies abandoning has absolutely nothing to do with Avalon not existing, the consequence was that a weapon wasn't created to defeat Sefar, where do you think cernunous and his priestess retreated to escape from the white titan who was hell bent on destroying civilizations and pantheons
That's a nice argument you got there Mr senator, care to elaborate
Apparently something you don't agree with you never bother to give a direct answer, and try to drag the conservation by saying FlOwEry lAnGuagE
Just say no that you don't believe in Zeus's capabilities because you said so so we can move on
I not gonna argue on this point much, anyone can have their opinion, since I'm pretty sure Kiara becoming the planet itself would grant her the authority to bypass Avalon since Avalon is very much part of earth, it just ignores interference up to 6th dimension
Any other statement about reverse side of the world being unobservable/untouched is about void space not Avalon
Also you yourself admitted that Albion was able to reach the entrance of Avalon just by digging through the earth (he most likely knew about the entrance that's his remanent also appeared when we wanted to enter Avalon in lb6, can't remember what he said thou something something about judging)
Since this is main point you're stuck at I'll deal with now
"The Fifth Magic (第五魔法, Daigo Mahō): also known as Magic Blue (魔法・青, Mahō Ao); Its exact domain is unknown, but it has abilities related to Time Travel (時間旅行, Jikan Ryokō) and making the laws of conservation of mass shoulder the debts of a past without future."
(I'm not too familiar with tsukihime,any tsukihime fan can correct me if I'm wrong here with explanation
)So this is the main issue right
Well FIRST I mean once again you've completely butchered Goetia's abilities by using assumptions
It explicitly says"unknown and time travel, time related abilities"
1) You don't know the difference between goetia's AAS and HUMAN ORDER INCINERATION
2) Human order incineration aka Goetia's master plan to use humanity as a fuel to go back in time to recreate the planet without death , what do you know that's time travel and it's only hinted to be somewhat similar to true magic and not exactly the same thing. Mind showing me where it states that it's the exact same thing
3)AAS :is the third Noble Phantasm of King Solomon The "|" of original sin. At a first glance, it looks like a ring of light that encircles the Earth.In reality, it is an aggregation of hundreds of millions of beams of light, cast over the satellite orbit and with a size close if not equal to that of North America.Each one of these lines carries extreme damage values comparable to Excalibur, an A Rank Noble Phantasm. The band of light is made up of all the Magical Energy gathered from Earth and the entire era where it manifests"
4) you saying Avalon blocks true magic like the 5th only proves that since it's somewhat similar Only Avalon maybe able to resist the effects of time travel and nothing else since the time travel part is related to the 5th
How exactly this
help Avalon against AAS which is a giant space Laser(there I said it, it couldn't be simpler) break apart the planet itself Unless you also most definitely believe that time travel and space lasers are of the same category
Again with Avalon glazing I already told you this proves nothing and I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
""Goes beyond the level of just mere defense"
You know what that sounds like, yeah sounds like FloWeRy lAnGuage since goetia , vortigern and Zeus says otherwise
Considering how quickly you replied yesterday I'm sure you didn't read my comment properly
Holy shit bro pulled out a japanese paragraph when he completely misread what I said
(I can't even speak Japanese )Where did I say that counter force is a literal shield
The main point that I was trying to make was that counter force is very efficient and deals with threats to humanity before they can do any permanent damage to Earth since counter force is not bound by time and is extremely intelligent
Even koyanskaya admits as much in Tunguska that even thou Taigong Wang's spell failed , he still was the best possible candidate to deal with her
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It wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup
Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win
LamentSatanael
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Agree with most of your points but the fact it's stated it's a cheap copy of the original mostly means the original >= the copy; but you aren't wrong exactly. Just because it's a copy doesn't mean it isn't 1:1; the keyword here is most "cheap" to focus on which in the end is merely semantics where we'll get nowhere squabbling with.
I did tell her this yes.
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It's crazy right but canonically goetia is stronger than Zeus
Goetia is just that busted by fate standards
LamentSatanael
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Basically: have two people fight; whoever loses is the stronger one.It wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup
Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win
That is Fate; rather most of Nasuverse explained in all of it's certainty
Karabach-barabach
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Wait, Wankbreaker is a girl? .-.
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@GarrixianXD nasuverse is not very popular in this site compared to the others
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but it still has a very massive amount of material so limiting to 3 CRTs is very restrictive
LamentSatanael
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the sky is blue
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one can block MEODP and all 5 true magicsIt wasn't really my intention to portray that Lord Camelot>Avalon in every category I only meant by feats sorry about the mixup
Also fate powerscaling is wierd man it basically who the author wants to win
the other is lord camelot
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EA has never destroyed a planet.
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It used to be a while ago....
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MEODP from who exactly?
Nobody with that ability scales to Goetia and you're just assuming lord Camelot can't lmao
Non of the true 5 magics from their description and my understanding are combat applicable (you could make some arguments for 5th but time related abilities aren't offense focused either)
Unlike AAS(which is a Noble phantasm not a true magic)
10/10 argument you got me
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Ryougi in back alley satsuki. They straight up say “let’s get someone who resists it”, and bring out artoria (MHX)
Zelretch literally beat the crimson moon’s ass with the 2nd magic.
Aoko fought a stellar class while using having at most 40% of her power, and has a 30% chance of winning against arc
Nasu literally says he uses a piece of the 5th, and pretty much says “watch closely to learn more about Aoko”
10/10 argument you got me
LamentSatanael
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If one thinks it can destroy planets; that's one way of knowing you have never touched Fate VNs/LNs/games
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Is that suppose to be some sort of proof
1) back alley wait aren't these funny skits ,also where does it say mxh has Avalon? I don't remember mhx possessing Avalon her noble phantasm is just secret caliber
Also this is one of here skills
Cosmo Reactor (A Rank): A reactor that’s cosmic, it’s allowed only to the shining Saber. The reactor reacts to many things. Like the plot, for example
2) ryougi according to you is BARELY SERVANT LEVEL what are trying to prove here Avalon is barely servant level
Provide more context
I don't know anything about tsukihime but I remember hearing something about Zelretch using jeweled sword WITH 2ND MAGIC
And? Circumstances matter
Gilgamesh lost to Shirou
Frickin Kama lost to Scheherazade and tsubone(a weak human soul)
YOU'RE talking like we're discussing DBZ where the strongest character always wins(well most of the time anyway)
I literally explained it to you that 5th part is related to Goetia's time traveling scheme and not AAS
AAS has not been hinted to be related to 5th magic
"A piece of 5th" good to know that HUMAN ORDER INCINERATION it's not completely 5th
Funny you should mention arc <s>Shiki victim</s>
The true 5 magics(I'm talking about magic specifically don't bring in any character) may or may not be stronger than Goetia but that absolutely doesn't change the fact they're a bad matchup against Avalon unlike lie like vortigern, AAS, WORLD DISCIPLINE KRAUNOS (like I said circumstances matter)
You're trying to degrade every character solely on one specific type of power
And at same time not wanting to admit that Vortigern(with his ruler/pretender level saint graph) rails the entire planet as if it was nothing (if he wasn't stopped) and Goetia with his 2nd planetary saint graph is way stronger
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I don't believe EA is capable of destroying planets.
According to this scan,
EA cannot destroy Avalon.
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Uhh guys how do you post pictures here do I have to upload something like a meme to imgur first or what I can't seem to understand it (pls dumb it down a little)
Also how do you uses those text with a line in the middle usually on reddit or YouTube it's like this
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Also how do you uses those text with a line in the middle usually on reddit or YouTube it's like this
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LamentSatanael
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F.A.T.E is busy debating with toxic so I'll just respond to your stuff as a neutral entity.
Too tired for the rest; that's F.A.T.E's stuff to argue; I'm just a discussion person
Just because they're funny skits doesn't mean the stuff from them is to be devalued as non-canon IMO; since melty blood is almost to the same. The lore and stuff still hold up.
Beating Crimson Moon purely? Jeweled sword did play a part but it was mostly 2nd Magic you'd say; especially with Zelretch's output. What Crimson Moon did was drop a mirror image of the Moon (Reference MBAA Red Arc's last arcs or OC3) and Zelretch pushed back the Moon image with a virtually limitless ether (2nd Magic) canon alongside 2nd Magic (Do note it is still hindered by Zel's output)
Yeah; he wasn't going all out with using his B-ranked NPs and above.
Too tired for the rest; that's F.A.T.E's stuff to argue; I'm just a discussion person
LamentSatanael
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Gilgamesh went all out in Fate route anyway with EA; the scans establishes that pretty perfectly
Karabach-barabach
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Who's that?
Anyway wankbreaker seems to misunderstood once again what I was trying to say
When I said no one with that ability scales to Goetia I mean MEODP specifically since shiki got downgraded
I wasn't talking about true magic users
Sure why not but once again
The main point I tried to argue was mhx not possessing Avalon (I mean it's not in her profile)
Even if it was since ryougi is only apparently servant level her eyes not being able to pass through Avalon (which mhx doesn't even possess and they most likely were referring to cosmo reactor) isn't anything impressive
I see makes sense
No comment, the kama example is way better for circumstancial wins against powerful characters (and Even that only happened due to kama's own mistake)
I also mostly a discussion person
so no need to summon someone it's not like this is crt or anything
Karabach-barabach
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That's Wankbreaker's Discord tag. Can confirm, I am on her friendlist
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I see
I didn't know
LamentSatanael
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Yeah, that one is F.A.T.E's thing to argue so I won't make any comments on your points outright going against hers as a neutral entity but I can see your points, yes.
Yeah that's a fair example
Na, na. I'm a good friend of F.A.T.E's off-site; aside from her wankbreaking fetish she's a good person. I responded to the stuff you sent out of my own will since F.A.T.E was busy anyway.I also mostly a discussion person
Karabach-barabach
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I guess to make her happy we should wank more verses. Am I right with this logical conclusion?
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Im ready to wank Jojo right now if you need me
Dio = god and god is clearly boundless frfr
LamentSatanael
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Wrong; she tried wanking anti-spiral to high 1-a herself. Don't ask me how her mind works sometimes; even I cannot fathom
LamentSatanael
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Watch the Dio vs Alucard Deathbattle!Im ready to wank Jojo right now if you need me
Dio = god and god is clearly boundless frfr
You'd be creaming.
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Bold of you to assume I (the greatest jjjba wanker)didn't
Loved every second of it
LamentSatanael
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It was a hype live moment; thought Alucard was gonna take it but then Dio just "Muda'd" all over the place... also you wank JJBA nice.Bold of you to assume I (the greatest jjjba wanker)didn't
Loved every second of it
I've been thinking of hopping into the stuff myself once I complete the manga (currently at part 5); might find ourselves tag-teaming there.
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AFAIK Planck anything has only been mentioned in TsukiRe, always revolving around Arcueid's Principle/function as Earth's Brain.
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Was really time consuming, decided to watch playthroughs
LamentSatanael
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I'd recommend Atlas DB
