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[Karabach-barabach]

Removal of 1-A Root.

The Tier 0 Root thread has frozen into an eternal sleep, so I will do everyone else the favor of collecting things that’ll make you go “Seriously? Why was this glossed over?” Before any Tier 0 discussion can go on, I believe these should be addressed, as it threatens even the Root’s current 1-A...

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zzzzz

I was about to post my comment on the thread but realized it is for staff only. God damn, I was close

 

[Deadlock-333]

Pierce what? The texture?

Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time to, now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the Scandinavian texture

1) if only we had a character who threatened to rip the the planet apart into nothingness
Avalon la fae SECTION 29:
Vortigern:
"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual
insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."

Is this also texture ? Since Avalon is sooo invincible
2) lostbelt 5:
Chronos crown:
World Discipline Keraunos Function Limiter :

Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

Anti star system anhilation definitely sounds like texture and not the entire planet including Avalon right?

(I want to make one thing clear Zeus's 1st objective was taking Olympus with him into the sea of stars but when we got in his way he couldn't care less and just wanted to get rid of everything)

3) B but sessyoin Kiara is a jobber and definitely can't bypass Avalon
Abyssal paradise seraph finale:
" Going to sink down with SE.RA.PH as it passes through the crust, upper mantle, and lower mantle...
...on its way to Earth's core? Yes!
And once it arrives there, Beast III will become Earth's brain

I'm surprised, Passionlip. I did not think you capable of understanding such things.
Everything up to this point has merely been foreplay.
Once SE.RA.PH reaches Earth's core, I will become one with the planet.
Or rather, this planet will become my body.
And when it does, I will finally save humanity.
Sessyoin KiaraI will bring an end to all the pain and suffering in the world. I will use seven billion lives for the purpose of individual salvation"

So she made seraphix into her body and was going to penetrate through the earth and reach the core to become the planet's brain.
Again in order to reach the core you have to bypass Avalon.

You saying Goetia can't destroy the planet or bypass Avalon is just your assumption

Mash blocked it with Lord Camelot,meaning that it is weaker than Avalon

Lord Camelot> Avalon in terms of feats unless you can provide better defensive feats for Avalon

You don't seem to know the difference between the 2

Unleashing the true name of Avalon will deploy a Bound Field that provides the greatest defence. A Noble Phantasm that annuls the interference of True Magic; its existence is equivalent to True Magic.

What exactly does this prove lol
That it's definitely inpenetrable ? feats from stronger characters would suggest otherwise unless you think Artoria with Avalon can survive nps from someone like Zeus

I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
" Its strength is proportionate to the will power of the user, and it is said that "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble."

If you’re arguing that AAS could affect the planet anyway, you just indirectly admitted the planet not scaling to Avalon.

So let me get this straight Any attack that can destroy Avalon exist and your thought is that if the planet is unharmed so that means it's due to Avalon but if it's destroyed that means the planet doesn't scale to Avalon (--its definitely not that the attack itself is so strong that it can even destroy Avalon--) since Avalon is invincible

Yup yup it's definitely that these characters cannot destroy the earth and not that some mysterious force cough cough ... (Counter force) Keeps getting in their way

From your point of view it feels like counter force doesn't even exist

 

[Hypercyber37]

Is there any way to block anyone who disturbs us in Vsb?

 

[LamentSatanael]

Just don't interact with them lol

 

[LamentSatanael]

Regarding what @Deadlock-333 said; I've argued and discussed about certain stuff off-site and it is more or less correct which I agree with.

The statement more or less in tldr is that Lord Camelot with full willpower is better than Avalon against Planet Busters or similar stuff; especially feats wise which I agree with given Avalon feats wise isn't all that BUT your statement makes it seem like LC > Avalon wholly because of the gimmicks. It all comes down to circumstances.

Both have equivalent wank as the "greatest defence".

 

[Wankbreaker]

Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time to, now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the Scandinavian texture

1) if only we had a character who threatened to rip the the planet apart into nothingness
Avalon la fae SECTION 29:
Vortigern:
"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual
insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."

Is this also texture ? Since Avalon is sooo invincible

The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.

2) lostbelt 5:
Chronos crown:
World Discipline Keraunos Function Limiter :

Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

Anti star system anhilation definitely sounds like texture and not the entire planet including Avalon right?

(I want to make one thing clear Zeus's 1st objective was taking Olympus with him into the sea of stars but when we got in his way he couldn't care less and just wanted to get rid of everything)

So, flowery text that means nothing, cool.

3) B but sessyoin Kiara is a jobber and definitely can't bypass Avalon
Abyssal paradise seraph finale:
" Going to sink down with SE.RA.PH as it passes through the crust, upper mantle, and lower mantle...
...on its way to Earth's core? Yes!
And once it arrives there, Beast III will become Earth's brain

I'm surprised, Passionlip. I did not think you capable of understanding such things.
Everything up to this point has merely been foreplay.
Once SE.RA.PH reaches Earth's core, I will become one with the planet.
Or rather, this planet will become my body.
And when it does, I will finally save humanity.
Sessyoin KiaraI will bring an end to all the pain and suffering in the world. I will use seven billion lives for the purpose of individual salvation"

So she made seraphix into her body and was going to penetrate through the earth and reach the core to become the planet's brain.
Again in order to reach the core you have to bypass Avalon.

The inner sea isnt mentioned here, just the physical layers of the planet?

You saying Goetia can't destroy the planet or bypass Avalon is just your assumption

Lord Camelot> Avalon in terms of feats unless you can provide better defensive feats for Avalon

You don't seem to know the difference between the 2


What exactly does this prove lol
That it's definitely inpenetrable ? feats from stronger characters would suggest otherwise unless you think Artoria with Avalon can survive nps from someone like Zeus

I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
" Its strength is proportionate to the will power of the user, and it is said that "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble."


So let me get this straight Any attack that can destroy Avalon exist and your thought is that if the planet is unharmed so that means it's due to Avalon but if it's destroyed that means the planet doesn't scale to Avalon (--its definitely not that the attack itself is so strong that it can even destroy Avalon--) since Avalon is invincible

It is the "greatest defense in this world" (meaning its the most effective defensive noble phantasm), and can block true magic, which what do you know, Goetia's plan uses the 5th magic!

It's defense also "goes beyond the level of just mere defense"

Yup yup it's definitely that these characters cannot destroy the earth and not that some mysterious force cough cough ... (Counter force) Keeps getting in their way

From your point of view it feels like counter force doesn't even exist

read kara no kyoukai. the counter force isnt a shield. who told you this?


───そうかもしれない。


　抑止力というのはね、我々にとって最大の味方でもあり、同時に最大の敵でもある〝方向の修復者〟を指す。


　私達人間は死にたくない。平和でいたい。


　私達のいる星だって死にたくない。長生きしたい。


　抑止力というのはそれだ。霊長という群体の誰もが持つ統一された意識、自分達の世を存続させたいという願望。我を取り外してヒトという種の本能にある方向性が収束し、カタチになったもの。それが抑止力とよばれるカウンターガーディアン。


　そうだな、例えばａという優れた人間が独裁を行なったとしよう。彼は正義の人で、その統治は理想的であったとする。人間が人間として見た道徳性の限りでね。しかしａの行動がひとりの人間としてではなく、霊長全体の視点から見て悪、つまり滅びの要因となる場合、抑止力は具現する。


　コレは霊長の世を存続させたい、というａさえ含めた人類の無意識下の集合体だ。人類を守る為に人類を拘束するこの存在は、誰も知らないうちに現れ、誰にも観測される事なくａを消滅させる。人々の無意識下の渦が作り上げた代表者は、やはり無意識であるが故に意識されない。


　とはいっても、何もカタチのない意識が呪いになってａを殺す訳ではない。抑止力は、たいてい媒体となりうる人間に宿り、敵となるａを駆逐する。媒体になった人間はａを倒す為だけの能力を持つが、それ以上の能力は与えられない。ａにとって代わる事ができないようにね。抑止力という霊長全体の意志を受けとめられる受信者、そういった特殊なチャンネルを持つ人間というのは稀に存在する。歴史は、これを英雄と呼んでもてはやすんだ。


　だが近代になってこの呼び名は使われないな。文明が発達して、人間が自分達自身を滅ぼすなんて事は簡単になってしまった。どこぞの企業の会長が全財力を傾けてアマゾンの森林の伐採量を増やせば、一年後にも地球は終わる。ほら、いつでもどこでも地球のピンチだろ？　抑止力に衝き動かされて誰も知らないうちに世界を救っている、なんて輩やからはごまんといるんだ。英雄は一世代に一人だけ。世界を救う、なんて程度の事じゃあ現代では英雄とは呼ばれない。また、このａが人間の手におえない場合、抑止力は自然現象となってａもろとも周囲を消滅させる。大昔、どこぞの大陸が沈んだのもこいつの仕業さ。


　……こう話すと人類の守護者そのものなんだが、こいつには人間としての感情がない。時には万人を幸せにするという行為の前に立ち塞がる事もある。厄介なのは、こいつが結局人間そのものの代表者だという事だ。

───That might be true.

The Counter Force refers to what we call the "corrector of direction," which is both our greatest ally and our greatest enemy.

We humans don't want to die. We want peace.

Even the planet we live on doesn't want to die. It wants to live a long life.

That's what the Counter Force is. It's a unified consciousness held by everyone in the collective of primates, a desire to preserve their world. It is the essence of the human species, stripped of selfishness, focused and taking shape. That's what you call a counter guardian, or force.

For example, let's say an outstanding person named A establishes a dictatorship. Let's assume he is a just person and his governance is ideal, at least in terms of human morality. But if A's actions, when viewed from the perspective of the entire primate species rather than just as an individual, are deemed evil or a cause of destruction, the Counter Force manifests.

This is the collective subconscious of humanity, including A, that wants to preserve the world of the primates. This existence, which constrains humanity to protect humanity, appears without anyone knowing and eliminates A without being observed by anyone. This representative, created by the subconscious currents of people, remains unseen because it is itself unconscious.

That said, it's not as though some formless consciousness becomes a curse and kills A. Usually, the Counter Force inhabits a human who becomes the medium to eradicate the enemy, A. The person who becomes the medium has only the abilities necessary to defeat A and is not given any more than that, so they can't take A's place. Occasionally, rare individuals with such a special channel appear, ones who can receive the collective will of the primates known as the Counter Force. History called these individuals heroes and celebrated them.

But in modern times, this term isn't used. Civilization has advanced, making it easy for humans to destroy themselves. If some company president dedicates all resources to deforestation in the Amazon, the Earth could be doomed within a year. The world is always on the brink of crisis somewhere, right? There are countless people driven by the Counter Force, saving the world without anyone knowing. Only one hero per generation. In modern times, saving the world alone isn't enough to be called a hero. Also, if A becomes uncontrollable by human hands, it manifests as natural phenomena, obliterating both A and the surrounding area. The sinking of some ancient continent was this deterrence at work.

While it sounds like a true guardian of humanity, it lacks human-like emotions. Sometimes it stands in the way of actions that would bring happiness to everyone. The tricky part is that it ultimately represents humanity itself.

 

[LamentSatanael]

The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.

I think his point is more or less Hollow Wurm destroying the planet which would in turn affect PHH's collapse as evidenced by us going to LB6; which in turn would affect Avalon.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I think his point is more or less Hollow Wurm destroying the planet which would in turn affect PHH's collapse as evidenced by us going to LB6; which in turn would affect Avalon.

then thats a chain reaction more than anything

 

[Wankbreaker]

 

[Huesito88]

A Real (True) Fan =P

 

[LamentSatanael]

then thats a chain reaction more than anything

Yeah but the entire reason we went to LB6 was to prevent the collapse of PHH due to Hollow Wyrm first and foremost.

It's a chain reaction sure but mind emphasizing how it's denoting Hollow Wyrm isn't the one responsible;

"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual

insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."

I don't see why this statement still would not hold up even if it's a chain reaction with the Hollow Wyrm; it's Hollow Wyrm directly destroying the planet causing the collapse from LB6 to moving onto bleached earth of PHH.

Do note, Lie like Vortigern is an Anti-World NP ergo it targets the laws of the world.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Removal of 1-A Root.

The Tier 0 Root thread has frozen into an eternal sleep, so I will do everyone else the favor of collecting things that’ll make you go “Seriously? Why was this glossed over?” Before any Tier 0 discussion can go on, I believe these should be addressed, as it threatens even the Root’s current 1-A...

vsbattles.com

zzzzz

Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.

I would consider an Upgrade to Tier 0 and Determining if it retains its current rating as 2 different discussions.

 

[Huesito88]

Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.

"This thread is essentially trying to analyze if it does indeed still qualify.

Trying to upgrade the Root to 0 while it hasn’t been confirmed if it even qualifies for 1-A anymore is skipping a few steps.

In ultima’s own words off-site, he’s been too lazy to check the other thread (probably because of the influx of new posts). A fresh thread like this one actually gets things going."

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.

What are you talking about? The Reverse Side of the World does exist in Lostbelt 6. Cernnunos and his Priestess hide there to escape Sefar destroying the entire surface of the Planet. Plus, Avalon still exists, and Avalon is technically part of the Reverse Side of the World.

(Also, Oberon-Vortigern was going to destroy the entire Planet, including Pan/Proper Human History).

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

"This thread is essentially trying to analyze if it does indeed still qualify.

Trying to upgrade the Root to 0 while it hasn’t been confirmed if it even qualifies for 1-A anymore is skipping a few steps.

In ultima’s own words off-site, he’s been too lazy to check the other thread (probably because of the influx of new posts). A fresh thread like this one actually gets things going."

In my experience, making another thread just splits people's attention and makes the thread lose traction.

(Plus, technically, upgrading to Tier 0 inherently means something doesn't qualify for 1-A).

 

[Wankbreaker]

What are you talking about? The Reverse Side of the World does exist in Lostbelt 6. Cernnunos and his Priestess hide there to escape Sefar destroying the entire surface of the Planet. Plus, Avalon still exists, and Avalon is technically part of the Reverse Side of the World.

(Also, Oberon-Vortigern was going to destroy the entire Planet, including Pan/Proper Human History).

The reverse side of the world only exists because of humans taking over.
nothing like this happens in LB6, to the point where it's "fairy history" instead of human history. Pretty sure eresh says something along the lines of there not being multiple layers until the end of aog

The current world where humans live (including the laws of physics) is like a thin fabric spread over the planet's surface. Beneath this fabric lies the planet called "Earth." Meanwhile, the reverse side of the world is the world from before humans existed—the fabric from the era when mythical creatures roamed freely. In other words, the planet Earth has the surface at the bottom, wrapped by the "reverse side of the world"—a place governed by the laws that were once the "world." Beyond that, it is enveloped by the "current world."

 

[Wankbreaker]

Ishtar イシュタル	It's better if we don't have to teleport. You can get to the underworld by digging through the ground, after all.	転移を使わないで済むならそれでいいじゃない。 冥界は地面を掘れば行けるんだから。
	[Background] [Figure]
Mash マシュ	Huh...? What did you just say!?	は……？ いま、なんと？
Sound Effect	ad13
Dr. Roman Dr.ロマン	Good, I got through! You said you were going to the underworld, so I was worried I might not be able to observe you. Guess I was wrong!	良かった、繋がった！　冥界に行くと言うから 観測できるか心配だったけど、まったくの杞憂だったよ！
Dr. Roman Dr.ロマン	I mean, you're really just underground! The real-deal Age of Gods is amazing! The underworld is physically linked to the real world!	なにしろそこ、クタの地下なだけだから！ 凄いなガチの神代は！　冥界は現世と地続きなんだ！
	[Background] [Figure]
Mash マシュ	S-so it's true!? It wasn't, like, some area in another dimension!?	や、やっぱりそうだったんですか！？ なにかこう、別の次元の領域とかではなく！？
	[Background] [Figure]
Ishtar イシュタル	Of course. In the Age of Gods, the heavens, the earth, and the underworld are all situated on the same layer of scroll.	そりゃそうよ。神代だと天上も地上も冥界も同じ 織物スクロールの上にあるの。

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The reverse side of the world only exists because of humans taking over.
nothing like this happens in LB6, to the point where it's "fairy history" instead of human history. Pretty sure eresh says something along the lines of there not being multiple layers until the end of aog

That still doesn't change the fact that Avalon exists there.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Ishtar Of course. In the Age of Gods, the heavens, the earth, and the underworld are all situated on the same layer of scroll.
Ishtar The afterlife and the world of the skies become metaphysical only after the end of the Age of Gods.

This depends on the mythology. In the Babylonia Age of Gods, the Underworld is an actual place that is underground. In other mythologies, that's not necessarily the case.

 

[Wankbreaker]

That still doesn't change the fact that Avalon exists there.

its a shadow being projected, not exactly the real deal

Merlin	That being said, these are still only the remnants of Avalon a shadow being projected into the British Lostbelt.
Merlin	The tower imprisoning me isn't here, there isn't much mana in the air, and there's no lake where faeries gather.
Merlin	The only thing here is the Site of Selection...

 

[Wankbreaker]

Never mind, it IS the real deal, but.... there's some special conditions.

Mash マシュ	Master, you're not going to believe this, but it looks like we're eighty km below ground now!	マスター。信じがたい事ですが、我々は現在、 地下80㎞の位置にいるようです……！
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	Damn, that's even deeper than the pit. A lot deeper. Are we...even sure this is underground?	ブリテンの大穴より遙かに深いじゃねえか。 いや、そもそも本当の地下なのか？
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	It's completely pitch dark, and it doesn't even feel like I'm standing on anything.	真っ暗なばかりか、足場の感覚もねえぞ。
Merlin マーリン	You're not wrong. This world is in a whole other layer another dimension, to put it simply.	ご明察。ここはレイヤーの違う世界。 簡単に言ってしまうと異次元のようなものだ。
Merlin マーリン	You were just able to bypass all the ground in the way thanks to Albion.	アルビオンの影響で、 地表の下に路パスができているだけさ。
Merlin マーリン	But be warned that it goes much deeper.	ここからはさらに潜る事になる。
Merlin マーリン	In Proper Human History, the eighty-km mark is where Albion gave up the ghost...	汎人類史におけるアルビオンは 80㎞地点で息絶えたが、
Merlin マーリン	But in this Lostbelt, Albion managed to make a route all the way to Avalon.	この異聞帯におけるアルビオンは、 きちんと楽園アヴァロンまでの路パスを開いていた。
Merlin マーリン	Unfortunately, the path wasn't wide enough for Albion to get through, so they still died on the surface.	まあ、自分は通れない狭い路パスだから、 地上で息絶えるしかなかったんだが。
Choices	You mean there's a spirit cavern like this in Proper Human History, too? 汎人類史にも霊洞はあるんだ？
Merlin マーリン	That's right. Though over there, it's known as the Spiritual Tomb.	ああ。汎人類史あ　　ち　　らでは霊洞ではなく霊墓れいぼと 呼ばれているけどね。
Merlin マーリン	In Proper Human History, the Spiritual Tomb of Albion ends at the eighty km mark.	汎人類史の霊墓アルビオンは80㎞で行き止まり。
Merlin マーリン	Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.	その先は『妖精域』と呼ばれる、 人間の踏み入れる領域ではない世界だ。
Merlin マーリン	But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.	一方、こちらは『妖精域』の縛りはない。 ブリテン異聞帯そのものが妖精域だからね。
Merlin マーリン	So we can keep going down as far as we like.	どこまでも下りていけるとも。
Merlin マーリン	In real-world distance, you're starting at the four-hundred km mark and going further down to the “Beyond D” layer twenty-seven hundred km away.	現実的な距離で言うなら、400㎞からさらに地下、 2700㎞彼方のＤʺ層まで。
Merlin マーリン	That is where you'll find your destination: the planet's inner sea.	そこがキミたちの目的地、『星の内海うちうみ』となる。
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	Wait. So we're eighty km below ground now, and our destination's twenty-seven hundred km below ground? How the hell can we cover that kind of distance?	いま80㎞地点で、目的地は2700㎞地点だぁ？ とてもじゃねえが辿り着ける距離じゃねえぞ？
Merlin マーリン	Simple. You take a shortcut.	そこはショートカットを使うとも。
Merlin マーリン	When I said it'd take an hour, I wasn't basing that on how fast you travel. I meant that's how long it'd take. Period.	１時間、と言ったのは距離の話じゃない。 かける時間の話だよ。
Merlin マーリン	I'll use a series of transit time reduction spells to bring you all to your destination.	『移動時間の短縮』を連続で使って、 キミたちをゴールに連れて行く。
Merlin マーリン	Anyway, this must be pretty dull for you. How about we turn on the lights?	とはいえこれじゃあ味気ない。 ちょっと明かりを点けようか。

 

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Never mind, it IS the real deal, but.... there's some special conditions.

Mash マシュ	Master, you're not going to believe this, but it looks like we're eighty km below ground now!	マスター。信じがたい事ですが、我々は現在、 地下80㎞の位置にいるようです……！
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	Damn, that's even deeper than the pit. A lot deeper. Are we...even sure this is underground?	ブリテンの大穴より遙かに深いじゃねえか。 いや、そもそも本当の地下なのか？
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	It's completely pitch dark, and it doesn't even feel like I'm standing on anything.	真っ暗なばかりか、足場の感覚もねえぞ。
Merlin マーリン	You're not wrong. This world is in a whole other layer another dimension, to put it simply.	ご明察。ここはレイヤーの違う世界。 簡単に言ってしまうと異次元のようなものだ。
Merlin マーリン	You were just able to bypass all the ground in the way thanks to Albion.	アルビオンの影響で、 地表の下に路パスができているだけさ。
Merlin マーリン	But be warned that it goes much deeper.	ここからはさらに潜る事になる。
Merlin マーリン	In Proper Human History, the eighty-km mark is where Albion gave up the ghost...	汎人類史におけるアルビオンは 80㎞地点で息絶えたが、
Merlin マーリン	But in this Lostbelt, Albion managed to make a route all the way to Avalon.	この異聞帯におけるアルビオンは、 きちんと楽園アヴァロンまでの路パスを開いていた。
Merlin マーリン	Unfortunately, the path wasn't wide enough for Albion to get through, so they still died on the surface.	まあ、自分は通れない狭い路パスだから、 地上で息絶えるしかなかったんだが。
Choices	You mean there's a spirit cavern like this in Proper Human History, too? 汎人類史にも霊洞はあるんだ？
Merlin マーリン	That's right. Though over there, it's known as the Spiritual Tomb.	ああ。汎人類史あ　　ち　　らでは霊洞ではなく霊墓れいぼと 呼ばれているけどね。
Merlin マーリン	In Proper Human History, the Spiritual Tomb of Albion ends at the eighty km mark.	汎人類史の霊墓アルビオンは80㎞で行き止まり。
Merlin マーリン	Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.	その先は『妖精域』と呼ばれる、 人間の踏み入れる領域ではない世界だ。
Merlin マーリン	But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.	一方、こちらは『妖精域』の縛りはない。 ブリテン異聞帯そのものが妖精域だからね。
Merlin マーリン	So we can keep going down as far as we like.	どこまでも下りていけるとも。
Merlin マーリン	In real-world distance, you're starting at the four-hundred km mark and going further down to the “Beyond D” layer twenty-seven hundred km away.	現実的な距離で言うなら、400㎞からさらに地下、 2700㎞彼方のＤʺ層まで。
Merlin マーリン	That is where you'll find your destination: the planet's inner sea.	そこがキミたちの目的地、『星の内海うちうみ』となる。
Senji Muramasa 千子村正	Wait. So we're eighty km below ground now, and our destination's twenty-seven hundred km below ground? How the hell can we cover that kind of distance?	いま80㎞地点で、目的地は2700㎞地点だぁ？ とてもじゃねえが辿り着ける距離じゃねえぞ？
Merlin マーリン	Simple. You take a shortcut.	そこはショートカットを使うとも。
Merlin マーリン	When I said it'd take an hour, I wasn't basing that on how fast you travel. I meant that's how long it'd take. Period.	１時間、と言ったのは距離の話じゃない。 かける時間の話だよ。
Merlin マーリン	I'll use a series of transit time reduction spells to bring you all to your destination.	『移動時間の短縮』を連続で使って、 キミたちをゴールに連れて行く。
Merlin マーリン	Anyway, this must be pretty dull for you. How about we turn on the lights?	とはいえこれじゃあ味気ない。 ちょっと明かりを点けようか。

There's not really an special conditions. The only reason they're able to get down there is via the Lostbelt's equivalent of Spirit Tomb Albion, which, just like the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History, is its own dimension. Plus, the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History has a portal to Avalon in it, too.

 

[Wankbreaker]

There's not really an special conditions. The only reason they're able to get down there is via the Lostbelt's equivalent of Spirit Tomb Albion, which, just like the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History, is its own dimension. Plus, the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History has a portal to Avalon in it, too.

Merlin マーリン	Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.	その先は『妖精域』と呼ばれる、 人間の踏み入れる領域ではない世界だ。
Merlin マーリン	But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.	一方、こちらは『妖精域』の縛りはない。 ブリテン異聞帯そのものが妖精域だからね。

the entire lostbelt is the "land of the fairies"

 

[Karabach-barabach]

Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.

It's a simple revision thread that checks up on whether a character still fits the current criteria or not. At least that's how I understand it

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

the entire lostbelt is the "land of the fairies"

Yeah, but that's not what I was referring to.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It's a simple revision thread that checks up on whether a character still fits the current criteria or not. At least that's how I understand it

It's not really a "character," but I get what you mean. Still, there's already a thread meant for revising its stats, and it's still open.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Removal of 1-A Root.

The Tier 0 Root thread has frozen into an eternal sleep, so I will do everyone else the favor of collecting things that’ll make you go “Seriously? Why was this glossed over?” Before any Tier 0 discussion can go on, I believe these should be addressed, as it threatens even the Root’s current 1-A...

vsbattles.com

zzzzz

I actually checked, and this should probably be closed for now since there are already three other Nasuverse revision threads open.

 

[LamentSatanael]

It's not really a "character," but I get what you mean. Still, there's already a thread meant for revising its stats, and it's still open.

Annihilate that thread

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Annihilate that thread

No.

 

[Huesito88]

Annihilate that thread

We can't EA it, it's protected by Staff Rights Avalon

 

[LehenDuo]

HSR Fate collab

HSR and Fate/Kaleid*

 

[LehenDuo]

Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time to, now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the

Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

You lost me when you tried to argue Zeus' full Functionalities/Authorities (+Crown) are less powerful than Goetia...

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

HSR and Fate/Kaleid*

Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works*

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

You lost me when you tried to argue Zeus' full Functionalities/Authorities (+Crown) are less powerful than Goetia...

He canonically is weaker than Goetia.

 

[Wankbreaker]

"Ar―― cueid――?"
There's no response.
Even though her body is still here―
Even though her body is still this soft―
Even though I still remember the sound of her voice in my ears―
----Never again.
None of this will ever happen again.

"A----------"
What have I been doing?
―― I wanted to make her happy.
I wanted to teach her so many things.
I wanted to take her to so many places.
I wanted to be with her forever.
But, it can never happen.

"----------"
She's done it.
No matter how you look at it, there's nothing more.
Suddenly, before I could say the right thing, she went off and passed away by herself.
For my entire life------I won't be able to forget this.

"―― I can only be here because you completely "killed" Roa.
Even though I annihilated him so many times, it was only his flesh and not his soul.
But you killed his existence completely, Shiki. So----the power he stole returned to me and I somehow managed to revive."

I was originally going to bring this up in the Tier 0 thread yesterday ( but this isnt needed), but types seem to not be affected by their soul going to the root after their death.
@LamentSatanael made me aware yesterday.

Here in the Ciel Route, Arc dies completely (which Shiki can check with his MEODP)

Problem here is when you die, you come back to the root and are (supposed) to disperse into nothingness.... but that doesnt happen here. all arc needs to do is siphon back some of her power and she's able to come back, while being at 5% of her power.

This isnt unique to arc either, the other ultimate ones we see share this trait as well.

The Crimson Moon got killed by Zelretch, yet is still able to retain enough of his existence to wait thousands of years to possess a True Ancestor. It's made very clear that he can reincarnate at any time if he actually wished to do so, it's just that he wants a vessel of equal or superior quality to himself.

And here is V/V

Aristoteles. A thing that appeared suddenly on this planet and became the enemy of all living things. An unpredictable enemy with no obvious methods of communication, no clear living biological structure.

And that this was in a little city like this, in a room in a deserted tower, shaped like an angel, and playing a guitar? What kind of joke was that? No living thing on this planet could stand up against this creature; what a punishment from God.

“Really? You?”

“Oh, well, more the thing under this city, to be exact. What I used to be was shot down and fell to this place. It was an instant death. Trees grew there, and people started living on them.”

The angel went on. This planet can no longer raise life. That’s why green things wouldn’t grow; but they could grow in some other life, from somewhere else.

“I’m normally not like this, but it’s how I ended up. What everyone calls the World Trees used to be my wings… or feathers on those wings. The feathers, as they fell, took what used to be my form. I was originally that sort of invasive species. They’re not angels like the ones from this planet.”

“But you’re still shaped like an angel.”

“Because I’m everyone’s fantasy. My old body is already dead, but it seems something like my mind lived on. But I never had a concept of mind. The species of this planet have the wonderful ability to form shapes out of knowledge. Using everyone around me as a model, I made a shape out of the knowledge I’d had but never used. I’m shaped like an angel because it’s the closest shape to what I used to be. That’s how I was able to communicate with everyone; I created similar mental circuits. I was able to become myself by taking this form of the imaginary angel.”

The angel detached herself from the thing called Aristoteles by becoming an illusion. She was able to know herself for the first time by becoming something other than herself.

She’s no one, a realization of an image of an angel imagined by the people on their own.

“Are you happy?”

The angel happily replied “Yes.” Only an illusion stood there.”

“What are you going to do? Even if you have the same objective, the Cross and you are different things, right? Then your body will be destroyed alongside this city. You said you died instantly, but that’s by our understanding. I doubt how we understand death applies to other worlds. Aren’t you still able to move?”

The angel, looking down, shook her head.

“No. If I move, the outer shells of the wings will shatter. All the leaves on what you call the World Tree will fall. If that happens, uncountable numbers of angels will rain down. If that happens, everyone will die before the Aristoteles even arrives.”

The angel said this gloomily.

She’s right. The leaves on that cloud-scraping tree outnumber humanity. Billions of released angels would cover the whole planet in an instant.

“But you’ll die if you don’t.”

“It’s all right. I am the people here. I am just an image they made.”

“They just gave you knowledge. You are different from us. To you, we are just accessories. You should shake off us. You’ll feel lighter.”

The angel smiled sadly, and once again shook her head.

“You’re an idiot.”

“I know I am. But I can’t help it. I love this place.”

The angel said that with tears in her eyes and odd feeling of satisfaction.

any thoughts?

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Is there any way to block anyone who disturbs us in Vsb?

ask a staff member to add someone to your block list.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

any thoughts?

Astolfo

 

[Huesito88]

Astolfo

Is huge!!!!

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Is huge!!!!

Perfect height for wholesome heaedpats