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Pierce what? The texture?
Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time tošŸ„², now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the Scandinavian texture

1) if only we had a character who threatened to rip the the planet apart into nothingness
Avalon la fae SECTION 29:
Vortigern:
"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual
insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."

Is this also texture ? Since Avalon is sooo invincible
2) lostbelt 5:
Chronos crown:
World Discipline Keraunos Function Limiter :

Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

Anti star system anhilation definitely sounds like texture and not the entire planet including Avalon right?

(I want to make one thing clear Zeus's 1st objective was taking Olympus with him into the sea of stars but when we got in his way he couldn't care less and just wanted to get rid of everything)

3) B but sessyoin Kiara is a jobber and definitely can't bypass Avalon
Abyssal paradise seraph finale:
" Going to sink down with SE.RA.PH as it passes through the crust, upper mantle, and lower mantle...
...on its way to Earth's core? Yes!
And once it arrives there, Beast III will become Earth's brain

I'm surprised, Passionlip. I did not think you capable of understanding such things.
Everything up to this point has merely been foreplay.
Once SE.RA.PH reaches Earth's core, I will become one with the planet.
Or rather, this planet will become my body.
And when it does, I will finally save humanity.
Sessyoin KiaraI will bring an end to all the pain and suffering in the world. I will use seven billion lives for the purpose of individual salvation"

So she made seraphix into her body and was going to penetrate through the earth and reach the core to become the planet's brain.
Again in order to reach the core you have to bypass Avalon.

You saying Goetia can't destroy the planet or bypass Avalon is just your assumption
Mash blocked it with Lord Camelot,meaning that it is weaker than Avalon
Lord Camelot> Avalon in terms of feats unless you can provide better defensive feats for Avalon

You don't seem to know the difference between the 2

Unleashing the true name of Avalon will deploy a Bound Field that provides the greatest defence. A Noble Phantasm that annuls the interference of True Magic; its existence is equivalent to True Magic.



What exactly does this prove lol
That it's definitely inpenetrable ? feats from stronger characters would suggest otherwise unless you think Artoria with Avalon can survive nps from someone like Zeus

I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
" Its strength is proportionate to the will power of the user, and it is said that "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble."

If youā€™re arguing that AAS could affect the planet anyway, you just indirectly admitted the planet not scaling to Avalon.
So let me get this straight Any attack that can destroy Avalon exist and your thought is that if the planet is unharmed so that means it's due to Avalon but if it's destroyed that means the planet doesn't scale to Avalon (--its definitely not that the attack itself is so strong that it can even destroy Avalon--) since Avalon is invincible

Yup yup it's definitely that these characters cannot destroy the earth and not that some mysterious force cough cough ... (Counter force) Keeps getting in their way

From your point of view it feels like counter force doesn't even exist
 
Regarding what @Deadlock-333 said; I've argued and discussed about certain stuff off-site and it is more or less correct which I agree with.

The statement more or less in tldr is that Lord Camelot with full willpower is better than Avalon against Planet Busters or similar stuff; especially feats wise which I agree with given Avalon feats wise isn't all that BUT your statement makes it seem like LC > Avalon wholly because of the gimmicks. It all comes down to circumstances.

Both have equivalent wank as the "greatest defence".
 
Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time tošŸ„², now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the Scandinavian texture

1) if only we had a character who threatened to rip the the planet apart into nothingness
Avalon la fae SECTION 29:
Vortigern:
"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual
insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."

Is this also texture ? Since Avalon is sooo invincible
The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.
2) lostbelt 5:
Chronos crown:
World Discipline Keraunos Function Limiter :

Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

Anti star system anhilation definitely sounds like texture and not the entire planet including Avalon right?

(I want to make one thing clear Zeus's 1st objective was taking Olympus with him into the sea of stars but when we got in his way he couldn't care less and just wanted to get rid of everything)
So, flowery text that means nothing, cool.
3) B but sessyoin Kiara is a jobber and definitely can't bypass Avalon
Abyssal paradise seraph finale:
" Going to sink down with SE.RA.PH as it passes through the crust, upper mantle, and lower mantle...
...on its way to Earth's core? Yes!
And once it arrives there, Beast III will become Earth's brain

I'm surprised, Passionlip. I did not think you capable of understanding such things.
Everything up to this point has merely been foreplay.
Once SE.RA.PH reaches Earth's core, I will become one with the planet.
Or rather, this planet will become my body.
And when it does, I will finally save humanity.
Sessyoin KiaraI will bring an end to all the pain and suffering in the world. I will use seven billion lives for the purpose of individual salvation"

So she made seraphix into her body and was going to penetrate through the earth and reach the core to become the planet's brain.
Again in order to reach the core you have to bypass Avalon.
The inner sea isnt mentioned here, just the physical layers of the planet?
You saying Goetia can't destroy the planet or bypass Avalon is just your assumption

Lord Camelot> Avalon in terms of feats unless you can provide better defensive feats for Avalon

You don't seem to know the difference between the 2


What exactly does this prove lol
That it's definitely inpenetrable ? feats from stronger characters would suggest otherwise unless you think Artoria with Avalon can survive nps from someone like Zeus

I can make the exact same argument for Lord Camelot
" Its strength is proportionate to the will power of the user, and it is said that "so long as the heart doesn't break, those castle walls too shall never crumble."


So let me get this straight Any attack that can destroy Avalon exist and your thought is that if the planet is unharmed so that means it's due to Avalon but if it's destroyed that means the planet doesn't scale to Avalon (--its definitely not that the attack itself is so strong that it can even destroy Avalon--) since Avalon is invincible
It is the "greatest defense in this world" (meaning its the most effective defensive noble phantasm), and can block true magic, which what do you know, Goetia's plan uses the 5th magic!

It's defense also "goes beyond the level of just mere defense"


Yup yup it's definitely that these characters cannot destroy the earth and not that some mysterious force cough cough ... (Counter force) Keeps getting in their way

From your point of view it feels like counter force doesn't even exist
read kara no kyoukai. the counter force isnt a shield. who told you this?


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The Counter Force refers to what we call the "corrector of direction," which is both our greatest ally and our greatest enemy.

We humans don't want to die. We want peace.

Even the planet we live on doesn't want to die. It wants to live a long life.

That's what the Counter Force is. It's a unified consciousness held by everyone in the collective of primates, a desire to preserve their world. It is the essence of the human species, stripped of selfishness, focused and taking shape. That's what you call a counter guardian, or force.

For example, let's say an outstanding person named A establishes a dictatorship. Let's assume he is a just person and his governance is ideal, at least in terms of human morality. But if A's actions, when viewed from the perspective of the entire primate species rather than just as an individual, are deemed evil or a cause of destruction, the Counter Force manifests.

This is the collective subconscious of humanity, including A, that wants to preserve the world of the primates. This existence, which constrains humanity to protect humanity, appears without anyone knowing and eliminates A without being observed by anyone. This representative, created by the subconscious currents of people, remains unseen because it is itself unconscious.

That said, it's not as though some formless consciousness becomes a curse and kills A. Usually, the Counter Force inhabits a human who becomes the medium to eradicate the enemy, A. The person who becomes the medium has only the abilities necessary to defeat A and is not given any more than that, so they can't take A's place. Occasionally, rare individuals with such a special channel appear, ones who can receive the collective will of the primates known as the Counter Force. History called these individuals heroes and celebrated them.

But in modern times, this term isn't used. Civilization has advanced, making it easy for humans to destroy themselves. If some company president dedicates all resources to deforestation in the Amazon, the Earth could be doomed within a year. The world is always on the brink of crisis somewhere, right? There are countless people driven by the Counter Force, saving the world without anyone knowing. Only one hero per generation. In modern times, saving the world alone isn't enough to be called a hero. Also, if A becomes uncontrollable by human hands, it manifests as natural phenomena, obliterating both A and the surrounding area. The sinking of some ancient continent was this deterrence at work.

While it sounds like a true guardian of humanity, it lacks human-like emotions. Sometimes it stands in the way of actions that would bring happiness to everyone. The tricky part is that it ultimately represents humanity itself.
 
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The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.
I think his point is more or less Hollow Wurm destroying the planet which would in turn affect PHH's collapse as evidenced by us going to LB6; which in turn would affect Avalon.
 
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then thats a chain reaction more than anything
Yeah but the entire reason we went to LB6 was to prevent the collapse of PHH due to Hollow Wyrm first and foremost.

It's a chain reaction sure but mind emphasizing how it's denoting Hollow Wyrm isn't the one responsible;

"Though as you can see, it's actually a conceptual
insect an infinite hole that's going to destroy Britain and turn the planet inside out.Soon, the entire planet will be gone, as though it never existed."
I don't see why this statement still would not hold up even if it's a chain reaction with the Hollow Wyrm; it's Hollow Wyrm directly destroying the planet causing the collapse from LB6 to moving onto bleached earth of PHH.

Do note, Lie like Vortigern is an Anti-World NP ergo it targets the laws of the world.
 


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Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.
 
Why did you make this? The Tier 0 thread is still open.
"This thread is essentially trying to analyze if it does indeed still qualify.

Trying to upgrade the Root to 0 while it hasnā€™t been confirmed if it even qualifies for 1-A anymore is skipping a few steps.

In ultimaā€™s own words off-site, heā€™s been too lazy to check the other thread (probably because of the influx of new posts). A fresh thread like this one actually gets things going."
 
The reverse side doesnt exist in this lostbelt, since fairies still rule the world.
What are you talking about? The Reverse Side of the World does exist in Lostbelt 6. Cernnunos and his Priestess hide there to escape Sefar destroying the entire surface of the Planet. Plus, Avalon still exists, and Avalon is technically part of the Reverse Side of the World.

(Also, Oberon-Vortigern was going to destroy the entire Planet, including Pan/Proper Human History).
 
"This thread is essentially trying to analyze if it does indeed still qualify.

Trying to upgrade the Root to 0 while it hasnā€™t been confirmed if it even qualifies for 1-A anymore is skipping a few steps.

In ultimaā€™s own words off-site, heā€™s been too lazy to check the other thread (probably because of the influx of new posts). A fresh thread like this one actually gets things going."
In my experience, making another thread just splits people's attention and makes the thread lose traction.

(Plus, technically, upgrading to Tier 0 inherently means something doesn't qualify for 1-A).
 
What are you talking about? The Reverse Side of the World does exist in Lostbelt 6. Cernnunos and his Priestess hide there to escape Sefar destroying the entire surface of the Planet. Plus, Avalon still exists, and Avalon is technically part of the Reverse Side of the World.

(Also, Oberon-Vortigern was going to destroy the entire Planet, including Pan/Proper Human History).
The reverse side of the world only exists because of humans taking over.
nothing like this happens in LB6, to the point where it's "fairy history" instead of human history. Pretty sure eresh says something along the lines of there not being multiple layers until the end of aog

The current world where humans live (including the laws of physics) is like a thin fabric spread over the planet's surface. Beneath this fabric lies the planet called "Earth." Meanwhile, the reverse side of the world is the world from before humans existedā€”the fabric from the era when mythical creatures roamed freely. In other words, the planet Earth has the surface at the bottom, wrapped by the "reverse side of the world"ā€”a place governed by the laws that were once the "world." Beyond that, it is enveloped by the "current world."
 
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Mash
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S-so it's true!? It wasn't, like, some area in another dimension!?ć‚„ć€ć‚„ć£ć±ć‚Šćć†ć ć£ćŸć‚“ć§ć™ć‹ļ¼ļ¼Ÿ
ćŖć«ć‹ć“ć†ć€åˆ„ć®ę¬”å…ƒć®é ˜åŸŸćØ恋恧ćÆćŖ恏ļ¼ļ¼Ÿ



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Ishtar
ć‚¤ć‚·ćƒ„ć‚æ惫
Of course. In the Age of Gods, the heavens, the earth, and the underworld are all situated on the same layer of scroll.恝悊悃恝恆悈怂ē„žä»£ć ćØ天äøŠć‚‚地äøŠć‚‚冄ē•Œć‚‚åŒć˜
ē¹”ē‰©ć‚¹ć‚Æćƒ­ćƒ¼ćƒ«ć®äøŠć«ć‚悋恮怂
 
The reverse side of the world only exists because of humans taking over.
nothing like this happens in LB6, to the point where it's "fairy history" instead of human history. Pretty sure eresh says something along the lines of there not being multiple layers until the end of aog
That still doesn't change the fact that Avalon exists there.
 
Ishtar Of course. In the Age of Gods, the heavens, the earth, and the underworld are all situated on the same layer of scroll.
Ishtar The afterlife and the world of the skies become metaphysical only after the end of the Age of Gods.
This depends on the mythology. In the Babylonia Age of Gods, the Underworld is an actual place that is underground. In other mythologies, that's not necessarily the case.
 
That still doesn't change the fact that Avalon exists there.
its a shadow being projected, not exactly the real deal

MerlinThat being said, these are still only the remnants of Avalon

a shadow being projected into the British Lostbelt.
MerlinThe tower imprisoning me isn't here, there isn't much mana in the air, and there's no lake where faeries gather.
MerlinThe only thing here is the Site of Selection...
 
Never mind, it IS the real deal, but.... there's some special conditions.

Mash
ćƒžć‚·ćƒ„
Master, you're not going to believe this, but it looks like we're eighty km below ground now!ćƒžć‚¹ć‚æćƒ¼ć€‚äæ”恘恌恟恄äŗ‹ć§ć™ćŒć€ęˆ‘怅ćÆē¾åœØ态
地äø‹80ćŽžć®ä½ē½®ć«ć„ć‚‹ć‚ˆć†ć§ć™ā€¦ā€¦ļ¼
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
Damn, that's even deeper than the pit. A lot deeper. Are we...even sure this is underground?惖ćƒŖćƒ†ćƒ³ć®å¤§ē©“ć‚ˆć‚Šé™ć‹ć«ę·±ć„ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆć‹ć€‚
ć„ć‚„ć€ćć‚‚ćć‚‚ęœ¬å½“ć®åœ°äø‹ćŖ恮恋ļ¼Ÿ
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
It's completely pitch dark, and it doesn't even feel like I'm standing on anything.ēœŸć£ęš—ćŖć°ć‹ć‚Šć‹ć€č¶³å “ć®ę„Ÿč¦šć‚‚ć­ćˆćžć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
You're not wrong. This world is in a whole other
layer

another dimension, to put it simply.
恔꘎åÆŸć€‚ć“ć“ćÆćƒ¬ć‚¤ćƒ¤ćƒ¼ć®é•ć†äø–ē•Œć€‚
ē°”å˜ć«čØ€ć£ć¦ć—ć¾ć†ćØē•°ę¬”å…ƒć®ć‚ˆć†ćŖ悂恮恠怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
You were just able to bypass all the ground in the way thanks to Albion.ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ć®å½±éŸæ恧态
地č”Ø恮äø‹ć«č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ćŒć§ćć¦ć„ć‚‹ć ć‘ć•ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But be warned that it goes much deeper.恓恓恋悉ćÆć•ć‚‰ć«ę½œć‚‹äŗ‹ć«ćŖ悋怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In Proper Human History, the eighty-km mark is where Albion gave up the ghost...걎äŗŗé”žå²ć«ćŠć‘ć‚‹ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ
80ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć§ęÆēµ¶ćˆćŸćŒć€
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But in this Lostbelt, Albion managed to
make a route all the way to Avalon.
恓恮ē•°čžåøÆć«ćŠć‘ć‚‹ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ态
ćć”ć‚“ćØę„½åœ’ć‚¢ćƒ“ć‚”ćƒ­ćƒ³ć¾ć§ć®č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ć‚’é–‹ć„ć¦ć„ćŸć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Unfortunately, the path wasn't wide enough for Albion to get through, so they still died on the surface.ć¾ć‚ć€č‡Ŗ分ćÆ通悌ćŖ恄ē‹­ć„č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ć ć‹ć‚‰ć€
地äøŠć§ęÆēµ¶ćˆć‚‹ć—恋ćŖć‹ć£ćŸć‚“ć ćŒć€‚
Choices
  • You mean there's a spirit cavern like this in Proper Human History, too?
  • 걎äŗŗé”žå²ć«ć‚‚éœŠę“žćÆ恂悋悓恠ļ¼Ÿ
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
That's right. Though over there, it's known as the Spiritual Tomb.恂恂怂걎äŗŗé”žå²ć‚ć€€ć€€ć”ć€€ć€€ć‚‰ć§ćÆéœŠę“žć§ćÆćŖćéœŠå¢“ć‚Œć„ć¼ćØ
å‘¼ć°ć‚Œć¦ć„ć‚‹ć‘ć©ć­ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In Proper Human History, the Spiritual Tomb of Albion ends at the eighty km mark.걎äŗŗé”žå²ć®éœŠå¢“ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ80ćŽžć§č”Œćę­¢ć¾ć‚Šć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.ćć®å…ˆćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ćØå‘¼ć°ć‚Œć‚‹ć€
äŗŗ間恮čøćæå…„ć‚Œć‚‹é ˜åŸŸć§ćÆćŖ恄äø–ē•Œć ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.äø€ę–¹ć€ć“恔悉ćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ć®ēø›ć‚ŠćÆćŖ恄怂
惖ćƒŖćƒ†ćƒ³ē•°čžåøÆćć®ć‚‚ć®ćŒå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć ć‹ć‚‰ć­ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
So we can keep going down as far as we like.ć©ć“ć¾ć§ć‚‚äø‹ć‚Šć¦ć„恑悋ćØ悂怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In real-world distance, you're starting at the four-hundred km mark and going further down to the ā€œBeyond Dā€ layer twenty-seven hundred km away.ē¾å®Ÿēš„ćŖč·é›¢ć§čØ€ć†ćŖ悉态400ćŽžć‹ć‚‰ć•ć‚‰ć«åœ°äø‹ć€
2700ćŽžå½¼ę–¹ć®ļ¼¤Źŗå±¤ć¾ć§ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
That is where you'll find your destination:
the planet's inner sea.
ćć“ćŒć‚­ćƒŸćŸć”ć®ē›®ēš„åœ°ć€ć€Žę˜Ÿć®å†…ęµ·ć†ć”恆ćæ怏ćØćŖ悋怂
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
Wait. So we're eighty km below ground now, and our destination's twenty-seven hundred km below ground? How the hell can we cover that kind of distance?ć„ć¾80ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć§ć€ē›®ēš„地ćÆ2700ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć ćļ¼Ÿ
ćØć¦ć‚‚ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆćŒč¾æ悊ē€ć‘ć‚‹č·é›¢ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆćžļ¼Ÿ
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Simple. You take a shortcut.恝恓ćÆć‚·ćƒ§ćƒ¼ćƒˆć‚«ćƒƒćƒˆć‚’ä½æ恆ćØ悂怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
When I said it'd take an hour, I wasn't basing that on how fast you travel. I meant that's how long it'd take. Period.ļ¼‘Ꙃ間态ćØčØ€ć£ćŸć®ćÆč·é›¢ć®č©±ć˜ć‚ƒćŖ恄怂
ć‹ć‘ć‚‹ę™‚é–“ć®č©±ć ć‚ˆć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
I'll use a series of transit time reduction
spells to bring you all to your destination.
怎ē§»å‹•ę™‚間恮ēŸ­ēø®ć€ć‚’連ē¶šć§ä½æć£ć¦ć€
ć‚­ćƒŸćŸć”ć‚’ć‚“ćƒ¼ćƒ«ć«é€£ć‚Œć¦č”Œćć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Anyway, this must be pretty dull for you. How about we turn on the lights?ćØćÆć„ćˆć“ć‚Œć˜ć‚ƒć‚å‘³ę°—ćŖ恄怂
ć”ć‚‡ć£ćØ꘎恋悊悒ē‚¹ć‘ć‚ˆć†ć‹ć€‚
 
Never mind, it IS the real deal, but.... there's some special conditions.

Mash
ćƒžć‚·ćƒ„
Master, you're not going to believe this, but it looks like we're eighty km below ground now!ćƒžć‚¹ć‚æćƒ¼ć€‚äæ”恘恌恟恄äŗ‹ć§ć™ćŒć€ęˆ‘怅ćÆē¾åœØ态
地äø‹80ćŽžć®ä½ē½®ć«ć„ć‚‹ć‚ˆć†ć§ć™ā€¦ā€¦ļ¼
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
Damn, that's even deeper than the pit. A lot deeper. Are we...even sure this is underground?惖ćƒŖćƒ†ćƒ³ć®å¤§ē©“ć‚ˆć‚Šé™ć‹ć«ę·±ć„ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆć‹ć€‚
ć„ć‚„ć€ćć‚‚ćć‚‚ęœ¬å½“ć®åœ°äø‹ćŖ恮恋ļ¼Ÿ
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
It's completely pitch dark, and it doesn't even feel like I'm standing on anything.ēœŸć£ęš—ćŖć°ć‹ć‚Šć‹ć€č¶³å “ć®ę„Ÿč¦šć‚‚ć­ćˆćžć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
You're not wrong. This world is in a whole other
layer

another dimension, to put it simply.
恔꘎åÆŸć€‚ć“ć“ćÆćƒ¬ć‚¤ćƒ¤ćƒ¼ć®é•ć†äø–ē•Œć€‚
ē°”å˜ć«čØ€ć£ć¦ć—ć¾ć†ćØē•°ę¬”å…ƒć®ć‚ˆć†ćŖ悂恮恠怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
You were just able to bypass all the ground in the way thanks to Albion.ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ć®å½±éŸæ恧态
地č”Ø恮äø‹ć«č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ćŒć§ćć¦ć„ć‚‹ć ć‘ć•ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But be warned that it goes much deeper.恓恓恋悉ćÆć•ć‚‰ć«ę½œć‚‹äŗ‹ć«ćŖ悋怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In Proper Human History, the eighty-km mark is where Albion gave up the ghost...걎äŗŗé”žå²ć«ćŠć‘ć‚‹ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ
80ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć§ęÆēµ¶ćˆćŸćŒć€
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But in this Lostbelt, Albion managed to
make a route all the way to Avalon.
恓恮ē•°čžåøÆć«ćŠć‘ć‚‹ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ态
ćć”ć‚“ćØę„½åœ’ć‚¢ćƒ“ć‚”ćƒ­ćƒ³ć¾ć§ć®č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ć‚’é–‹ć„ć¦ć„ćŸć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Unfortunately, the path wasn't wide enough for Albion to get through, so they still died on the surface.ć¾ć‚ć€č‡Ŗ分ćÆ通悌ćŖ恄ē‹­ć„č·Æćƒ‘ć‚¹ć ć‹ć‚‰ć€
地äøŠć§ęÆēµ¶ćˆć‚‹ć—恋ćŖć‹ć£ćŸć‚“ć ćŒć€‚
Choices
  • You mean there's a spirit cavern like this in Proper Human History, too?
  • 걎äŗŗé”žå²ć«ć‚‚éœŠę“žćÆ恂悋悓恠ļ¼Ÿ
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
That's right. Though over there, it's known as the Spiritual Tomb.恂恂怂걎äŗŗé”žå²ć‚ć€€ć€€ć”ć€€ć€€ć‚‰ć§ćÆéœŠę“žć§ćÆćŖćéœŠå¢“ć‚Œć„ć¼ćØ
å‘¼ć°ć‚Œć¦ć„ć‚‹ć‘ć©ć­ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In Proper Human History, the Spiritual Tomb of Albion ends at the eighty km mark.걎äŗŗé”žå²ć®éœŠå¢“ć‚¢ćƒ«ćƒ“ć‚Ŗćƒ³ćÆ80ćŽžć§č”Œćę­¢ć¾ć‚Šć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.ćć®å…ˆćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ćØå‘¼ć°ć‚Œć‚‹ć€
äŗŗ間恮čøćæå…„ć‚Œć‚‹é ˜åŸŸć§ćÆćŖ恄äø–ē•Œć ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.äø€ę–¹ć€ć“恔悉ćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ć®ēø›ć‚ŠćÆćŖ恄怂
惖ćƒŖćƒ†ćƒ³ē•°čžåøÆćć®ć‚‚ć®ćŒå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć ć‹ć‚‰ć­ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
So we can keep going down as far as we like.ć©ć“ć¾ć§ć‚‚äø‹ć‚Šć¦ć„恑悋ćØ悂怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
In real-world distance, you're starting at the four-hundred km mark and going further down to the ā€œBeyond Dā€ layer twenty-seven hundred km away.ē¾å®Ÿēš„ćŖč·é›¢ć§čØ€ć†ćŖ悉态400ćŽžć‹ć‚‰ć•ć‚‰ć«åœ°äø‹ć€
2700ćŽžå½¼ę–¹ć®ļ¼¤Źŗå±¤ć¾ć§ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
That is where you'll find your destination:
the planet's inner sea.
ćć“ćŒć‚­ćƒŸćŸć”ć®ē›®ēš„åœ°ć€ć€Žę˜Ÿć®å†…ęµ·ć†ć”恆ćæ怏ćØćŖ悋怂
Senji Muramasa
åƒå­ę‘ę­£
Wait. So we're eighty km below ground now, and our destination's twenty-seven hundred km below ground? How the hell can we cover that kind of distance?ć„ć¾80ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć§ć€ē›®ēš„地ćÆ2700ćŽžåœ°ē‚¹ć ćļ¼Ÿ
ćØć¦ć‚‚ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆćŒč¾æ悊ē€ć‘ć‚‹č·é›¢ć˜ć‚ƒć­ćˆćžļ¼Ÿ
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Simple. You take a shortcut.恝恓ćÆć‚·ćƒ§ćƒ¼ćƒˆć‚«ćƒƒćƒˆć‚’ä½æ恆ćØ悂怂
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
When I said it'd take an hour, I wasn't basing that on how fast you travel. I meant that's how long it'd take. Period.ļ¼‘Ꙃ間态ćØčØ€ć£ćŸć®ćÆč·é›¢ć®č©±ć˜ć‚ƒćŖ恄怂
ć‹ć‘ć‚‹ę™‚é–“ć®č©±ć ć‚ˆć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
I'll use a series of transit time reduction
spells to bring you all to your destination.
怎ē§»å‹•ę™‚間恮ēŸ­ēø®ć€ć‚’連ē¶šć§ä½æć£ć¦ć€
ć‚­ćƒŸćŸć”ć‚’ć‚“ćƒ¼ćƒ«ć«é€£ć‚Œć¦č”Œćć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Anyway, this must be pretty dull for you. How about we turn on the lights?ćØćÆć„ćˆć“ć‚Œć˜ć‚ƒć‚å‘³ę°—ćŖ恄怂
ć”ć‚‡ć£ćØ꘎恋悊悒ē‚¹ć‘ć‚ˆć†ć‹ć€‚
There's not really an special conditions. The only reason they're able to get down there is via the Lostbelt's equivalent of Spirit Tomb Albion, which, just like the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History, is its own dimension. Plus, the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History has a portal to Avalon in it, too.
 
There's not really an special conditions. The only reason they're able to get down there is via the Lostbelt's equivalent of Spirit Tomb Albion, which, just like the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History, is its own dimension. Plus, the Spirit Tomb Albion in Pan/Proper Human History has a portal to Avalon in it, too.

Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
Beyond that is a world known as the Fairy Realm, which no human can enter.ćć®å…ˆćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ćØå‘¼ć°ć‚Œć‚‹ć€
äŗŗ間恮čøćæå…„ć‚Œć‚‹é ˜åŸŸć§ćÆćŖ恄äø–ē•Œć ć€‚
Merlin
ćƒžćƒ¼ćƒŖćƒ³
But since the British Lostbelt is ALL this world's Faerie Realm, there are no such restrictions here.äø€ę–¹ć€ć“恔悉ćÆć€Žå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć€ć®ēø›ć‚ŠćÆćŖ恄怂
惖ćƒŖćƒ†ćƒ³ē•°čžåøÆćć®ć‚‚ć®ćŒå¦–ē²¾åŸŸć ć‹ć‚‰ć­ć€‚

the entire lostbelt is the "land of the fairies"
 


zzzzz
I actually checked, and this should probably be closed for now since there are already three other Nasuverse revision threads open.
 
Sorry for the late reply but I didn't have time tošŸ„², now then

You do realize multiple characters below power level of goetia can destroy the earth with Avalon I'm not talking about characters like surtr who can apparently destroy the
Anti-Planet Destruction Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Star System Annihilation Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Space-Time Attack Mechanism Limiter
Anti-Concept Shattering Mechanism Limiter

You lost me when you tried to argue Zeus' full Functionalities/Authorities (+Crown) are less powerful than Goetia...
 
"Arā€•ā€• cueidā€•ā€•?"
There's no response.
Even though her body is still hereā€•
Even though her body is still this softā€•
Even though I still remember the sound of her voice in my earsā€•
----Never again.
None of this will ever happen again.

"A----------"
What have I been doing?
ā€•ā€• I wanted to make her happy.
I wanted to teach her so many things.
I wanted to take her to so many places.
I wanted to be with her forever.
But, it can never happen.

"----------"
She's done it.
No matter how you look at it, there's nothing more.
Suddenly, before I could say the right thing, she went off and passed away by herself.
For my entire life------I won't be able to forget this.

"ā€•ā€• I can only be here because you completely "killed" Roa.
Even though I annihilated him so many times, it was only his flesh and not his soul.
But you killed his existence completely, Shiki. So----the power he stole returned to me and I somehow managed to revive."


I was originally going to bring this up in the Tier 0 thread yesterday ( but this isnt needed), but types seem to not be affected by their soul going to the root after their death.
@LamentSatanael made me aware yesterday.

Here in the Ciel Route, Arc dies completely (which Shiki can check with his MEODP)

Problem here is when you die, you come back to the root and are (supposed) to disperse into nothingness.... but that doesnt happen here. all arc needs to do is siphon back some of her power and she's able to come back, while being at 5% of her power.

This isnt unique to arc either, the other ultimate ones we see share this trait as well.

The Crimson Moon got killed by Zelretch, yet is still able to retain enough of his existence to wait thousands of years to possess a True Ancestor. It's made very clear that he can reincarnate at any time if he actually wished to do so, it's just that he wants a vessel of equal or superior quality to himself.

And here is V/V
Aristoteles. A thing that appeared suddenly on this planet and became the enemy of all living things. An unpredictable enemy with no obvious methods of communication, no clear living biological structure.

And that this was in a little city like this, in a room in a deserted tower, shaped like an angel, and playing a guitar? What kind of joke was that? No living thing on this planet could stand up against this creature; what a punishment from God.

ā€œReally? You?ā€

ā€œOh, well, more the thing under this city, to be exact. What I used to be was shot down and fell to this place. It was an instant death. Trees grew there, and people started living on them.ā€

The angel went on. This planet can no longer raise life. Thatā€™s why green things wouldnā€™t grow; but they could grow in some other life, from somewhere else.

ā€œIā€™m normally not like this, but itā€™s how I ended up. What everyone calls the World Trees used to be my wingsā€¦ or feathers on those wings. The feathers, as they fell, took what used to be my form. I was originally that sort of invasive species. Theyā€™re not angels like the ones from this planet.ā€

ā€œBut youā€™re still shaped like an angel.ā€

ā€œBecause Iā€™m everyoneā€™s fantasy. My old body is already dead, but it seems something like my mind lived on. But I never had a concept of mind. The species of this planet have the wonderful ability to form shapes out of knowledge. Using everyone around me as a model, I made a shape out of the knowledge Iā€™d had but never used. Iā€™m shaped like an angel because itā€™s the closest shape to what I used to be. Thatā€™s how I was able to communicate with everyone; I created similar mental circuits. I was able to become myself by taking this form of the imaginary angel.ā€

The angel detached herself from the thing called Aristoteles by becoming an illusion. She was able to know herself for the first time by becoming something other than herself.

Sheā€™s no one, a realization of an image of an angel imagined by the people on their own.

ā€œAre you happy?ā€

The angel happily replied ā€œYes.ā€ Only an illusion stood there.ā€
ā€œWhat are you going to do? Even if you have the same objective, the Cross and you are different things, right? Then your body will be destroyed alongside this city. You said you died instantly, but thatā€™s by our understanding. I doubt how we understand death applies to other worlds. Arenā€™t you still able to move?ā€

The angel, looking down, shook her head.

ā€œNo. If I move, the outer shells of the wings will shatter. All the leaves on what you call the World Tree will fall. If that happens, uncountable numbers of angels will rain down. If that happens, everyone will die before the Aristoteles even arrives.ā€

The angel said this gloomily.

Sheā€™s right. The leaves on that cloud-scraping tree outnumber humanity. Billions of released angels would cover the whole planet in an instant.

ā€œBut youā€™ll die if you donā€™t.ā€

ā€œItā€™s all right. I am the people here. I am just an image they made.ā€

ā€œThey just gave you knowledge. You are different from us. To you, we are just accessories. You should shake off us. Youā€™ll feel lighter.ā€

The angel smiled sadly, and once again shook her head.

ā€œYouā€™re an idiot.ā€

ā€œI know I am. But I canā€™t help it. I love this place.ā€

The angel said that with tears in her eyes and odd feeling of satisfaction.

any thoughts?
 
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