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[BreezeHM]

I remade Kama's profile here with English scans and fixed some abilities and stuff. Since its heavily outdated.
Look through it and see if you see anything concerning.

 

[Violetcyanide]

Guys,why exactly is child gils EA is low 1-C while adult gil is low 1-c,possible 1-C ?

 

[KingNanaya]

Guys,why exactly is child gils EA is low 1-C while adult gil is low 1-c,possible 1-C ?

mistakes in editing, pretty sure

 

[RetroWeeeb]

Guys,why exactly is child gils EA is low 1-C while adult gil is low 1-c,possible 1-C ?

Both Servant Gil and Kid Gil have Low 1-C EA. It's only OG Power/Mystic Code Gil that has the possibly 1-C part for EA due to Moon Cell stuff.

 

[Violetcyanide]

Both Servant Gil and Kid Gil have Low 1-C EA. It's only OG Power/Mystic Code Gil that has the possibly 1-C part for EA due to Moon Cell stuff.

Isn't the earth 8d too in nasuverse?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Isn't the earth 8d too in nasuverse?

No.

 

[Violetcyanide]

No.

Isn't it the planet that forged Excalibur which has 8d scaling from defeating sefar.

 

[LehenDuo]

btw lehen do you know anywhere i can see the knk epilogue in raw japanese? need to confirm something

In the first link

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Isn't it the planet that forged Excalibur which has 8d scaling from defeating sefar.

That wouldn't scale the dimensional existence of the planet.

 

[BreezeHM]

I remade Kama's profile here with English scans and fixed some abilities and stuff. Since its heavily outdated.
Look through it and see if you see anything concerning.

Thoughts?

 

[RetroWeeeb]

Thoughts?

Looks good. Don't see anything wrong with it myself. Nice work

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So let me get this straight, Medusa Saber is Medusa at her best/strongest class/form, right?
I also find it funny that she's more of teenager in this state compared to her OG self (a.k.a the OG Snake Milf......until Ibuki come)

 

[LehenDuo]

So let me get this straight, Medusa Saber is Medusa at her best/strongest class/form, right?
I also find it funny that she's more of teenager in this state compared to her OG self (a.k.a the OG Snake Milf......until Ibuki come)

The OG Rider is said to be more of an Anti-Hero/monster than a true Hero, so the return to the more innocent/pure years before her turning into mythic Medusa/Gorgon and her more heroic display seems to fit. She doesnt have Monstrous Strength in her Saber form. It also goes along the lines in her profile:

Her destiny was derailed by the despicable curse of the gods, she lost everything she loved, degraded into a monster, and had her head sent flying by an undisputed hero; what she gave birth to in her last moments───

They were Pegasus and Chrysaor.
The heavenly steed dancing in the sky and the father of monsters.

The one who is forever free and the one who will continue their lineage for eternity.

That might have been the wish of her who was left all alone at the end.

To the beloved family that is gone now.

I wanted us to be free.
I wanted it to last forever.

───One day.

May that freedom and eternity unite us once more.

So, not only a teenager form has this symbolism of purity/innocence/heroism, but she was in fact more of a teenager in the time she was togethe with her family, Stheno and Euryale, her happy years before her fall to monsterhood.

Don't know if its her strongest form, but it surely dose seem to be her most heroic one.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I made a match, but i really want to know how many layers of hax is the Nasuverse, we kinda stuck in that.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/nero-the-fate-one-not-the-dmc-series-vs-sora.155850/#post-5890678

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The OG Rider is said to be more of an Anti-Hero/monster than a true Hero, so the return to the more innocent/pure years before her turning into mythic Medusa/Gorgon and her more heroic display seems to fit. She doesnt have Monstrous Strength in her Saber form. It also goes along the lines in her profile:

So, not only a teenager form has this symbolism of purity/innocence/heroism, but she was in fact more of a teenager in the time she was togethe with her family, Stheno and Euryale, her happy years before her fall to monsterhood.

Don't know if its her strongest form, but it surely dose seem to be her most heroic one.

Considering her sword, Chrysaor, can summon manifested the legendary monsters like freaking Echidna and Geryon, i say that Saber Class is actually her strongest class

EDIT: It's a toss between Saber and Avenger for the best/strongest class for Medusa now i'm thinking it

 

[Tdjwo]

This seems very important to this verse.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/verse-expert-proposition.156022/

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

This seems very important to this verse.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/verse-expert-proposition.156022/

If this passes I only trust Shadow and our lord and savior Marshadow.

 

[Tdjwo]

If this passes I only trust Shadow and our lord and savior Marshadow.

Who is Shadow?

I would pick Paul Frank(bros inactive asf though) or Theoretical(bro just "outknowledges" all of us here) or 1Nairove.
Marshadow like me, has horrible history with staff members. They would never listen to us even though I can pretty much gape any staff member and most regular members on any Nasuverse related content.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Who is Shadow?

I would pick Paul Frank(bros inactive asf though) or Theoretical(bro just "outknowledges" all of us here) or 1Nairove.
Marshadow like me, has horrible history with staff members. They would never listen to us even though I can pretty much gape any staff member and most regular members on any Nasuverse related content.

ShadowWhoWalks.

Mageman isn't a bad pick either.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Who is Shadow?

I would pick Paul Frank(bros inactive asf though) or Theoretical(bro just "outknowledges" all of us here) or 1Nairove.
Marshadow like me, has horrible history with staff members. They would never listen to us even though I can pretty much gape any staff member and most regular members on any Nasuverse related content.

Also wdym by "gape"?

 

[Tdjwo]

ShadowWhoWalks.

Mageman isn't a bad pick either.

Rarely ever see them so idk who they are.
I just think Paul Frank, Theoretical and 1Nairove are better picks. Paul is knowledgeable, doesn't wank and doesn't downplay(intentionally at least). Theoretical is the most knowledgeable on this Nasuverse wiki and somehow always has all the complicated and "hard to find" scans for Nasuverse. 1Nairove is cool headed and very knowledgeable as well.

 

[Tdjwo]

Also wdym by "gape"?

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Rarely ever see them so idk who they are.
I just think Paul Frank, Theoretical and 1Nairove are better picks. Paul is knowledgeable, doesn't wank and doesn't downplay(intentionally at least). Theoretical is the most knowledgeable on this Nasuverse wiki and somehow always has all the complicated and "hard to find" scans for Nasuverse. 1Nairove is cool headed and very knowledgeable as well.

hm, tbh i consider lehenduo and crystal valley (if he was still here) knowledgeble though idk how do they compare to theoritical. And Lehen is not at odds with staff so that's a plus.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Rarely ever see them so idk who they are.
I just think Paul Frank, Theoretical and 1Nairove are better picks. Paul is knowledgeable, doesn't wank and doesn't downplay(intentionally at least). Theoretical is the most knowledgeable on this Nasuverse wiki and somehow always has all the complicated and "hard to find" scans for Nasuverse. 1Nairove is cool headed and very knowledgeable as well.

@ShadowWhoWalks
He's rarely appeared that much but he's very important members as well, his knowledge on Fate is very good albeit can go out of control (like what he did in CRT related to KnY)

Aside the others that have been mentioned, there's more but as i said, our Nasuverse supporters are scattered around so it's hard to track them lel

EDIT: Oh yeah, you guys forgor @Regidian and @John985 as well

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I remade Kama's profile here with English scans and fixed some abilities and stuff. Since its heavily outdated.
Look through it and see if you see anything concerning.

Some suggestions

• Her Telekinesis should be Weapon Control, now that we have a page for the ability of moving your weapons and altering their trajectory without even touching them with your body, even summoning them out of thin air is Weapon Control. I personally wouldn't add TK if it's limited to manipulating your weapons only, might confuse people reading her page into thinking that she can manipulate other things and even people with it, unless she got feats for telekinetically tossing and grabbing people.
• Status Effect Inducement should be Empathic Manipulation if it's based on her charm thing or you can have both if you like, but that would bloat the profile if you ask me
• She should have Multiple Selves too

That's all, nice job on the bulleted form for her P&A, makes it super easier to read. Profile could also use more detailed references.

 

[Tdjwo]

@ShadowWhoWalks
He's rarely appeared that much but he's very important members as well, his knowledge on Fate is very good albeit can go out of control (like what he did in CRT related to KnY)

Aside the others that have been mentioned, there's more but as i said, our Nasuverse supporters are scattered around so it's hard to track them lel

EDIT: Oh yeah, you guys forgor @Regidian and @John985 as well

Oh yeah, I forgot about Regidian.

 

[Tdjwo]

@ShadowWhoWalks
He's rarely appeared that much but he's very important members as well, his knowledge on Fate is very good albeit can go out of control (like what he did in CRT related to KnY)

Oh wait isn't Shadow the guy who said the High 1B statement somehow applied outside the universe? Ehhh, sorry but I don't know about him ngl. If he's really knowledgeable about the verse, the he should have known that time and space doesn't exist outside the universe since pretty much everything outside the universe is dimensionless.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Oh wait isn't Shadow the guy who said the High 1B statement somehow applied outside the universe? Ehhh, sorry but I don't know about him ngl. If he's really knowledgeable about the verse, the he should have known that time and space doesn't exist outside the universe since pretty much everything outside the universe is dimensionless.

Could apply outside the universe; the argument to confirm that it exists specifically within the universe was not persuasive. As knowledgeable people about the verse know, multiple universes (or pockets) with time and space exists outside the universe.

Holmes Based on everything we now know...it seems they are more akin to machines from an extremely advanced civilization. One that may reside outside our galaxy, or at the far ends of our universe...or in an entirely different universe altogether.

Zeus Our very universe was on the brink of death. So our flagship, Chaos, exhausted ninety-seven percent of their resources to send us to your universe. When we arrived, we found this universe to be brimming with life...

Gilles In fact, I would argue they are the very lamplights keeping the encroaching darkness at bay, thereby preventing a far more disastrous fire from ever occurring! That they are an unparalleled good omen here to fend off a threat to humanity from nothing less than another space-time continuum!

Abigail Teehee, what do you think of this outfit? I pulled it off someone traveling between space-time continuums.

You asked to be shown any structure that contains space and time and exists outside the universe. Well, here you go.

 

[Tdjwo]

Could apply outside the universe; the argument to confirm that it exists specifically within the universe was not persuasive. As knowledgeable people about the verse know, multiple universes (or pockets) with time and space exists outside the universe.

Holmes Based on everything we now know...it seems they are more akin to machines from an extremely advanced civilization. One that may reside outside our galaxy, or at the far ends of our universe...or in an entirely different universe altogether.

Gilles In fact, I would argue they are the very lamplights keeping the encroaching darkness at bay, thereby preventing a far more disastrous fire from ever occurring! That they are an unparalleled good omen here to fend off a threat to humanity from nothing less than another space-time continuum!

Abigail Teehee, what do you think of this outfit? I pulled it off someone traveling between space-time continuums.

You asked to be shown any structure that contains space and time and exists outside the universe. Well, here you go.

The first statement is referring to the divine spirits who lived in an entirely different "universe." It being called a universe doesn't mean it has spatiotemporal characteristics because as we know, the gods don't abide by human logic, law and and physics. They have their own different "physics." Literally everything that exists outside the world doesn't abide by regular physics. Look at Chaos for instance. It's literally the embodiment of nonexistence and exists outside time and space

The Throne of Heroes also lacks time and space

which means it's also exists independently from dimensions of the universe as stated by Blavatsky

And there's also the Ultimate Gate that is tied to all time and space

and exists beyond all time and space

There are plethora of evidences that suggest time and space doesn't exist beyond the regular universe. The concept of logic doesn't exist which is why everything that exists beyond the universe are always crazy entities/structures like the Throne of heroes, Chaos, Outer Gods and The Root.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Classic proof by example fallacy.

 

[Tdjwo]

Classic proof by example fallacy.

It's only a fallacy if a mistaken belief can render my arguments invalid. But by making claims and backing them up with valid scans, it's no longer a fallacy. Know the difference.

You should just stick with MGQ.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

You should just stick with MGQ.

I agree with you for once.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

The first statement is referring to the divine spirits who lived in an entirely different "universe." It being called a universe doesn't mean it has spatiotemporal characteristics because as we know, the gods don't abide by human logic, law and and physics. They have their own different "physics." Literally everything that exists outside the world doesn't abide by regular physics. Look at Chaos for instance. It's literally the embodiment of nonexistence and exists outside time and space

The Throne of Heroes also lacks time and space

which means it's also exists independently from dimensions of the universe as stated by Blavatsky

And there's also the Ultimate Gate that is tied to all time and space

and exists beyond all time and space

There are plethora of evidences that suggest time and space doesn't exist beyond the regular universe. The concept of logic doesn't exist which is why everything that exists beyond the universe are always crazy entities/structures like the Throne of heroes, Chaos, Outer Gods and The Root.

In Proper Human History, the Machine Gods only became Divine Spirits after their machine bodies were destroyed by Sefar; human worship brought them back as Divine Spirits. Also, we don't argue that deities during the Age of Gods are not higher dimensional because the human understanding of the laws of physics didn't apply/exist. If Chaos had anti space-time functionality (which went to Zeus), then its creators who didn't travel to other universes were familiar with space-time. The standard use of the word universe applies.

If you want to argue that the Throne of Heroes and the Ultimate Gate are beyond space-time, that is fine. But that doesn't undermine the existence of multiple space-time continuums outside the universe, nor tell us the location of High 1-B structures.

 

[Violetcyanide]

That wouldn't scale the dimensional existence of the planet.

Dmc had a similar reason for 9d before the 9d stuff was removed.

 

[Tdjwo]

In Proper Human History, the Machine Gods only became Divine Spirits after their machine bodies were destroyed by Sefar; human worship brought them back as Divine Spirits. Also, we don't argue that deities during the Age of Gods are not higher dimensional because the human understanding of the laws of physics didn't apply/exist. If Chaos had anti space-time functionality (which went to Zeus), then its creators who didn't travel to other universes were familiar with space-time. The standard use of the word universe applies.

I mean, Chaos was created without space time which means space time doesn't apply to it. It's called nonexistence for a reason. It being called a universe doesn't make it automatically spatiotemporal. For example, the outer universe exists beyond all space and time yet its called a universe. And mind you, Sut-Typhon is the Outer Universe itself.

If you want to argue that the Throne of Heroes and the Ultimate Gate are beyond space-time, that is fine. But that doesn't undermine the existence of multiple space-time continuums outside the universe, nor tell us the location of High 1-B structures.

Now this is where the problem lies. Where is the limit of the High 1B structure if it somehow exists outside the universe? That has been everyone's question for eons now and nobody answers it. The ultimate gate is beyond space and time as a whole. The Throne is also the same. The root is also the same. So where outside the universe does High 1B stop?

 

[Tdjwo]

I've always wondered what this scan meant.

 

[BreezeHM]

Some suggestions

• Her Telekinesis should be Weapon Control, now that we have a page for the ability of moving your weapons and altering their trajectory without even touching them with your body, even summoning them out of thin air is Weapon Control. I personally wouldn't add TK if it's limited to manipulating your weapons only, might confuse people reading her page into thinking that she can manipulate other things and even people with it, unless she got feats for telekinetically tossing and grabbing people.
• Status Effect Inducement should be Empathic Manipulation if it's based on her charm thing or you can have both if you like, but that would bloat the profile if you ask me
• She should have Multiple Selves too

Changed Telekinesis to Weapon Control and S.E.I to Empathic Manipulation. I've included a rough draft for Multiple Selves, do you think it works? I'll add the scans if it does

That's all, nice job on the bulleted form for her P&A, makes it super easier to read. Profile could also use more detailed references.

What do you mean more detailed references?

 

[LehenDuo]

Romulus=Quirinus: That thing is nothing less than a colossal interstellar mothership–the spherical space-time fortress known as Chaos.

Romulus=Quirinus: They are the being from which all of the machine gods originated.

Romulus=Quirinus: The truth is that all Twelve Olympians, including Zeus, were nothing more than a way for Chaos to divide their countless functions.

Romulus=Quirinus: They are the source of the Titans, Olympus, and every machine god.

Romulus=Quirinus: They are a supernatural god that has become one with the gaps of our universe's space-time! Their core is the very eye you see peeking out there from within the rift!

Romulus=Quirinus: The truly massive shell that makes up their colossal body uses a star from an ancient, distant system for its core!

Romulus=Quirinus: In terms of sheer scale, this god of the heavens far surpasses our entire planet!

Mash: A colossal structure covering a star...? You mean, like a Dyson sphere!?

Holmes: A Dyson sphere, originally named for the physicist who conceived it, is a theoretical construct of an artificial structure designed to completely cover a star in order to make use of its energy.

Holmes: But, you're now saying such a sphere truly exists? And has for eons, at that?

Holmes: That would make Chaos here a god that embodies every concept and natural phenomenon under the sun... No, even that fails to do it justice!

Holmes: We're now up against a star capable of covering every centimeter of the sky!

It's pretty clear Chaos original form exists at least spatially. That's not something debateable.
Also, time is not a human notion, it doesn't derive from human physics. The very fact the Root is the beginning and end of everything implies time as a sine qua non condition for the phrase. In the Age of Gods time was cyclical, the only thing Human Order did was make it linear and to act like a pile, stacking on top of each other by QTL in series.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

I mean, Chaos was created without space time which means space time doesn't apply to it. It's called nonexistence for a reason. It being called a universe doesn't make it automatically spatiotemporal. For example, the outer universe exists beyond all space and time yet its called a universe. And mind you, Sut-Typhon is the Outer Universe itself.

It had space-time functionality, and this doesn't mean the entire universe or Chaos' creators lack space-time.
The Outer Universe is explicitly called a space-time continuum by Gilles. Gilles' summons also come from the Outer Universe, which proves that not everything there lacks space-time.

Now this is where the problem lies. Where is the limit of the High 1B structure if it somehow exists outside the universe? That has been everyone's question for eons now and nobody answers it. The ultimate gate is beyond space and time as a whole. The Throne is also the same. The root is also the same. So where outside the universe does High 1B stop?

Possibly in an unknown space-time continuum that is not necessarily in the universe. The thing is that if we don't provide a location and leave room for possibilities, this will not be convincing for staff who are supposed to be extra-strict for Tier 1 stuff.

I've always wondered what this scan meant.

The Prism Split Beam. It posits that the main character ends up with each heroine in a different timeline, and uses forbidden cat magic to split the main character's strength into smaller weaker clones that corresponds for each heroine he can end up with.
For Shiki, he has 17 heroines.

 

[Tdjwo]

It had space-time functionality, and this doesn't mean the entire universe or Chaos' creators lack space-time.
The Outer Universe is explicitly called a space-time continuum by Gilles. Gilles' summons also come from the Outer Universe, which proves that not everything there lacks space-time.

Gilles statement seems either contradictory or out of context the same way the "outer gods have flesh and finite lifespan" stuff seems to be misunderstood.
The Outer Universe doesn't work the same way as the regular universe works. Whatever Gilles says is pretty much irrelevant. Parallel dimensions are unreachable to the outer universe

This means all the structures shown to have space-time in them are unreachable to the outer universe, and that makes sense considering the ultimate gate already exists beyond all time and space.

The Demon Gods are infinitely much more intelligent and knowledgable than Gilles, yet even they don't understand how the Outer Universe works.

Demon God Raum wanted to summon Sut-Typhon into the Universe

So if these Demon Gods with their limitless wisdom don't understand how they work, including how their laws are, why should we trust Gilles who's just a mere human that probably only read the Lovecraftian storybook and made his statement vaguely?

Possibly in an unknown space-time continuum that is not necessarily in the universe. The thing is that if we don't provide a location and leave room for possibilities, this will not be convincing for staff who are supposed to be extra-strict for Tier 1 stuff.

Then provide a specific location lmao. That's the exact reason that High 1B crt got turned into a shitshow. Almost everyone already agreed that the high 1B stuff was related to the universe. Roa literally mentioned UNIVERSE. He never said Outer Universe or UNIVERSES. He only said the singular UNIVERSE. But you came and confused everyone with the Kiara stuff, then Deagonx and Lephyr used that opportunity of the confusion to stonewall the entire thread. If you are unable to provide the specific limit to that High 1B statement, then you're basically saying that the statement would continue on and on until it reaches the root? That's basically what you're trying to say. In that case, the Root would be what? High 1B? Bruh.

The Prism Split Beam. It posits that the main character ends up with each heroine in a different timeline, and uses forbidden cat magic to split the main character's strength into smaller weaker clones that corresponds for each heroine he can end up with.
For Shiki, he has 17 heroines.

No way. I thought it was some cosmological crazefest. But it's just some harem shii smh.