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Okay wasn’t sure because we were on the discussion of hgr and you were talking servant verse, so I assumed it also had something to do with HGRIt's only Space Ishtar, and most likely the servant verse version of Greek gods as well will get it.
On servant verse, it's about them getting planet lvl tier.
Was there a mention of Servantverse Greek Gods in Space Wars? Can't remember and can't search right nowIt's only Space Ishtar, and most likely the servant verse version of Greek gods as well will get it.
On servant verse, it's about them getting planet lvl tier.
Anyone help peppersalt pleaseCan anyone help here?
Yes Odysseus interlude. Where space Xu fu appears toWas there a mention of Servantverse Greek Gods in Space Wars? Can't remember and can't search right now
Oh, never got Odysseus in any accountYes Odysseus interlude. Where space Xu fu appears to
npOh, never got Odysseus in any account
Gonna check it
Thanks
There are so many abilities that bypasses Gojo's infinity that it's not even funny. From the top of my head, we have;A question to anyone willing to think through it - How would/could any Nasuverse character overcome Satoru Gojo's Limitless - Neutral Form: Infinity?
Two considerations - MEoDP could obviously just cut it, but I'm not considering this specific "cheat" right here. Also, considering that any form of Resistance or Immunity against power X or hax Y would be irrelevant because the power itself affects space and not any target.
There are so many abilities that bypasses Gojo's infinity that it's not even funny. From the top of my head, we have;
Cu's Gae bolg which is basically a reversal of causality that would always hit its target except you have Fate manipulation which Gojo obviously doesn't have.
Problem being, the spear has obviously a range. The range it would have to travel through to get past Gojou's Infinity would be infinite, which is higher than the Range of the NP.Gáe Bolg: Spear of Piercing Barbed Death
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: 2~4
Maximum targets: 1
Yeah, Anti-World are one of the cases I thought about because they do exactly the needed destruction/alteration of the space.We have Ea which is self explanatory.
The problem is that he cannot walk through that space. And even if he could, can the flames?Edmond Dantes just walks past it and burns Gojo to death.
So, suicide attack? OkayMusashi's zero slashes it to infinity.
Why? This one really doesn't make sense to me...Sasaki does the same with his slashes
I think you are being to generous to Fate and ignoring the interactions and characteristics of Gojou's Infinity a bit...There are so many more but its tiring listing them on.
AboveGae Bolg would work I feel.
Anti-Worlds in general, yeah. Enkidu the chain or Enkidu the character?Enuma Elish and Enkidu should work?
I can't say I'm remebering this 100% correctly, but I think Gojou or someone has said that he can literally filter substances he wants to go through, and I do remember the case of "harmful" things being filtered. And it's something he does automatically/in a subconscious level. But I can be remember wrong.Serenity can just poison him.
That would be one case of ignoring, I would say. As I said, MEoDP would end that shit in one slash, but I was thinking about something else.Various servants should be able to just charm or mind manip him.
If you consider Cursed Techniques as something similar to spells, I would actually argue it would be worst for Casters because of the magical energy interaction thing, that's been in the Nasuverse since the VN. (Rin not being able to fix the objects Shirou failed to reinforced -> shattered because they had magical energy imbued in them).Most high level Casters might be able to bypass Infinity tbh with prep.
Yeah, but that would be kinda bullshit...Servants with high enough luck or Pioneer of the Stars might just be able to bypass it. Luck is BS in Fate.
AboveMusashi's hax is absolutely getting past it.
I would argue there's nothing to bypass at all, and that's the problem. The technique only makes space become "infinite", it doesn't block anything. And Discouri's NP doesn't destroy that space. A case could be made that it would interact with something like a "spell formula" or something that is active in that space, though.Dioscuri's NP should just bypass it as well as that's what it does.
That would probably work, yeah. Didn't though about Caladbolg.Caladbolg can twist space, so Fergus, Kuro, and Archer bypass.
It would have to hit his body, what makes it useless, I feel like? What ***** Magi against Origin Bullets is that, as in Volumen's case, the object hit was linked to the Circuits themselves. This doesn't seems to be the case for Jujutsu, or at least I can remember a single case of an interaction like that being used.Verse Equilization means that Kiritsugu bodies Gojo with his Origin Bullet I think.
Gae Bolg is difficult tbh.Above
Both technically. The chain prevented Illya from teleporting Berserker so. Could just be a part of the Anti Divine kit though and not do that against non divine opponents.Anti-Worlds in general, yeah. Enkidu the chain or Enkidu the character?
Gojo specifically cant filter harmful chemicals. Such as poison.I can't say I'm remebering this 100% correctly, but I think Gojou or someone has said that he can literally filter substances he wants to go through, and I do remember the case of "harmful" things being filtered. And it's something he does automatically/in a subconscious level. But I can be remember wrong.
Even still, Medea can spam teleport with enough prep. Plus Casters like Solomon are broken.If you consider Cursed Techniques as something similar to spells, I would actually argue it would be worst for Casters because of the magical energy interaction thing, that's been in the Nasuverse since the VN. (Rin not being able to fix the objects Shirou failed to reinforced -> shattered because they had magical energy imbued in them).
Musashi and Sasaki have Immeasurable speeds at their peaks. Even with just Empyrean Eye Musashi Fate Hax should bypass it.Above
Dioscuri NP specifically ignores various physical and magecraft defenses.I would argue there's nothing to bypass at all, and that's the problem. The technique only makes space become "infinite", it doesn't block anything. And Discouri's NP doesn't destroy that space. A case could be made that it would interact with something like a "spell formula" or something that is active in that space, though.
Nope. Origin Bullet just has to hit any Cursed Energy of Gojo. It worked even though Kayneth blocked it with his most powerful defensive option and it didn't even touch the man. Once the origin bullet comes in contact with Infinity, that's gg.It would have to hit his body, what makes it useless, I feel like? What ***** Magi against Origin Bullets is that, as in Volumen's case, the object hit was linked to the Circuits themselves. This doesn't seems to be the case for Jujutsu, or at least I can remember a single case of an interaction like that being usused.
Question can any of the Chinese servants bypass gojo?Above
Anti-Worlds in general, yeah. Enkidu the chain or Enkidu the character?
I can't say I'm remebering this 100% correctly, but I think Gojou or someone has said that he can literally filter substances he wants to go through, and I do remember the case of "harmful" things being filtered. And it's something he does automatically/in a subconscious level. But I can be remember wrong.
That would be one case of ignoring, I would say. As I said, MEoDP would end that shit in one slash, but I was thinking about something else.
If you consider Cursed Techniques as something similar to spells, I would actually argue it would be worst for Casters because of the magical energy interaction thing, that's been in the Nasuverse since the VN. (Rin not being able to fix the objects Shirou failed to reinforced -> shattered because they had magical energy imbued in them).
Yeah, but that would be kinda bullshit...
Above
I would argue there's nothing to bypass at all, and that's the problem. The technique only makes space become "infinite", it doesn't block anything. And Discouri's NP doesn't destroy that space. A case could be made that it would interact with something like a "spell formula" or something that is active in that space, though.
That would probably work, yeah. Didn't though about Caladbolg.
It would have to hit his body, what makes it useless, I feel like? What ***** Magi against Origin Bullets is that, as in Volumen's case, the object hit was linked to the Circuits themselves. This doesn't seems to be the case for Jujutsu, or at least I can remember a single case of an interaction like that being used.
Even in Fate/Zero itself, the Command Seals Kayneth had were preserved, for example, even if his body (muscles, nerves and circuits) were ****** up irreparably.
I would agree, but there's one detail that is important here - Medea's Teletransport is not True Teleport, but instead utilizes the manipulation of space. So, either she would not be able to teleport THROUGH Infinity, or she would Teleport closer and them be frozen because she, when finishing teleporting, would be in the space affected by it.Even still, Medea can spam teleport with enough prep. Plus Casters like Solomon are broken.
You mean Zero vs Infinity Musashi Sasaki?Musashi and Sasaki have Immeasurable speeds at their peaks. Even with just Empyrean Eye Musashi Fate Hax should bypass it.
Yeah, but that's the point, it's not a defense. But this would be a discussion of classification/interaction, I guess.Dioscuri NP specifically ignores various physical and magecraft defenses.
Let me try explaining this again - yeah, the Origin Bullets did do the most damage possible because Kayneth was using his most powerful defense (that is, was turning his Circuits and generating ME to his fullest), but simply hitting the ME itself isn't the conditional here. The ME was being generated and supplied by his Circuits, that is, linked and constantly in motion (Kayneth VH becomes a pool of mercury once ME stops being supplied). The Origin Bullets ****** him because of this connection through which the ME was being supplied. The Origin then takes effect, Severs -> Binds. As the Circuits are actualized in the physical body of the Magus while he is actively using them, the body itself gets ******.Nope. Origin Bullet just has to hit any Cursed Energy of Gojo. It worked even though Kayneth blocked it with his most powerful defensive option and it didn't even touch the man. Once the origin bullet comes in contact with Infinity, that's gg.
I don't think the range is abour distance hereProblem being, the spear has obviously a range. The range it would have to travel through to get past Gojou's Infinity would be infinite, which is higher than the Range of the NP.
Was thinking about this tooBut anyways we have some np that just ignore distance when used (okita alter np aboslutely touch him) and wouldn't all reality marble function on him?
Some RM have fixed rule yeah, at least tsukihime explain it like thatWas thinking about this too
It would be a question of what exactly RMs do in my opinion - do RMs create domains with specific, fixed rules (which begs the question - can anyone modify such rules?) or do them only create the domains in which they add their specific rule?
Gae bolg doesn't work through an armor if it covers your whole body so it sure as hell won't work against infinite distance, it doesn't magically close the distance, piercing the heart needs to be possible for gae bolg to even work.There are so many abilities that bypasses Gojo's infinity that it's not even funny. From the top of my head, we have;
Cu's Gae bolg which is basically a reversal of causality that would always hit its target except you have Fate manipulation which Gojo obviously doesn't have.
It's... notWe have Ea which is self explanatory.
Edmond Dantes just walks past it and burns Gojo to death.
Musashi's zero slashes it to infinity.
these 3 are fineSasaki does the same with his slashes
@LehenDuo help me answer thisQuestion can any of the Chinese servants bypass gojo?
young gojo couldn't. That's explicitly something he trained hard enough to get past.Gojo specifically cant filter harmful chemicals. Such as poison.
I'm saying that it's not self explanatory, EA isn't even the weapon that is the most well known for having an effect on space (that's caladbolg, but yeah it works.Ea rips apart Space Time, so uh Infinity gets destroyed.
it was said that if cu fights siegfried, the spear would aim for his back automatically, which imply that it just fail to work if your body is fully protectedAlso does Gae Bolg not work against someone with armor? Where is that from? Never seen that before.
Misinformation. Gojo says he would eventually like to deal with poisons, but it would take time. Mind you, this was when he was a teenager.Gojo specifically cant filter harmful chemicals. Such as poison.
I dont think there was any confirmation that he succeeded at this. Just that he was working on it.young gojo couldn't. That's explicitly something he trained hard enough to get past.
Ah yeah, that's fairI'm saying that it's not self explanatory, EA isn't even the weapon that is the most well known for having an effect on space (that's caladbolg, but yeah it works.
Never heard that.it was said that if cu fights siegfried, the spear would aim for his back automatically, which imply that it just fail to work if your body is fully protected
See above. He can't distinguish them. He's saying it will take time before he's able to. No proof he can yet.Misinformation. Gojo says he would eventually like to deal with poisons, but it would take time. Mind you, this was when he was a teenager.
He blocks it because it fits the other criteria not because of it being poisonous. This is like catching a poisoned arrow and saying the person resists the poison because of it.Cursed Death Paintings all possess poisonous blood, which he effortlessly blocks. Even if he did get poisoned, he scales above Yuta, who can heal off poisoned people, which is noted to be highly advanced, even for Reverse Curse Technique users.
Can the mystic eyes of distortion help against gojo?
Again, eventually, when he was a teenager. Considering when he’s an adult Infinity works down to an atomic level, capable of controlling space-time, poison is not getting through to him whatsoever.See above. He can't distinguish them. He's saying it will take time before he's able to. No proof he can yet.
Completely dissimilar, Gojo himself already works on identifying mass, speed, and shape, along with intensity of CE, so it’s clear it’s not blocking it just because it’s dangerous. Note that him resisting poison was never my argument.He blocks it because it fits the other criteria not because of it being poisonous. This is like catching a poisoned arrow and saying the person resists the poison because of it.
Yes, this doesn't mean he can break down what the chemical structure is and determine whether it is dangerous or not. His ability works on the atomic level, doesn't mean he can distinguish between things on that level. Or in this case a bit larger. We have literally ZERO proof that he has upgraded it to be able to distinguish based on if it's poisonous. In fact we have proof of the opposite.Again, eventually, when he was a teenager. Considering when he’s an adult Infinity works down to an atomic level, capable of controlling space-time, poison is not getting through to him whatsoever.
Gojo was attacked by a poisonous stream of blood at a high speed. The attack had speed, mass, a dangerous shape, AND Cursed Energy. Even without the poison this attack was considered "dangerous." If you want to prove Limitless works against poison, show it working against something that is just poisonous. Not an attack that also has poisonous properties.Completely dissimilar, Gojo himself already works on identifying mass, speed, and shape, along with intensity of CE, so it’s clear it’s not blocking it just because it’s dangerous. Note that him resisting poison was never my argument.
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
Can the mystic eyes of distortion help against gojo?
Some should be able like taigong, wukong and guifeiQuestion can any of the Chinese servants bypass gojo?
Can anyone answer these for me please thanks.
(Sometimes I wonder wtf is it that I get ignored most of the time here)
yo mageman, you gonna help me out here a little bit please
how exactly with taigong?Some should be able like taigong and guifei
With the different chinese magecraft that he have access.how exactly with taigong?
(guifei I can understand like the fire and attraction of males with her beauty)
what about the mystic eyes of distortion. Can it bypass infinity?
What’s the biggest thing she has ever distorted?With the different chinese magecraft that he have access.
It based on her sight not distance, so yeah, if she see him she can distort him
Maybe you regidan can help me with my Gilgamesh matchWith the different chinese magecraft that he have access.
It based on her sight not distance, so yeah, if she see him she can distort him
What’s the biggest thing she has ever distorted?
First thing - it reverses the meaning of cause and effect in the order of things. This is important because of the second part - it is clearly said it has a range and that it's range is below the thrown version. Therefore, I think it's clear that even if Gae Bolg has a "100% chance to hit", it still has conditions or requirements for the NP to activate, one of those being range. Wodime/Olga magecraft has uses this language of "reverses cause and effect", but they nonetheless have conditions and requirements for their activation. Simplifying, NP aren't True Magic and can do impossible things.Noble Phantasm
Gáe Bolg: Spear of Piercing Barbed Death
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: 2~4
Maximum targets: 1
While this is a technique employing Gáe Bolg as a melee attack, it is originally a magic spear for throwing. With a technique that reverses the meaning of "cause and effect" in the order of things, the "result" that "the heart of the opponent has been pierced" is created earlier than the moment it is thrust. Accordingly, the "cause" that "the lance has pierced through the heart" is generated from it later. Without a great deal of luck (like Artoria), it can be said that this is a technique that determines "if it is released, the opponent is dead." However, against Servants like Heracles who can move even when their heart is destroyed, there is a small disadvantage. Compared to the Spear of Striking Death Flight, both the range of effectiveness and the destructive power are weakened. However, it is worth mentioning that "the magical energy cost is low." For having such a strong effect as "almost certainly will destroy the enemy's heart," without the need of a terrible amount of magical power, it becomes an excellent Noble Phantasm of extraordinary usability.
>The Noble Phantasm Gae Bolg
Nasu: A weapon that strikes with guaranteed fatal blows sounds like a total cheat, but I guess it doesn't sound as bad now since we were just talking about Berserker earlier. (laughs)
Takeuchi: Are there any limitations to the use of Gae Bolg, or is the True Name the only requirement?
Nasu: The Noble Phantasm will activate if Lancer is within spear-striking distance of his opponent. If his opponent has a high luck stat, the attack can still miss, though that is quite rare.
So, at least to me, the interaction here seems clear - Infinity makes it so the distance between him and opponent becomes infinite as in an infinite convergent series -> Gojou's would therefore not be within striking distance.Nasu: Without a doubt. Archer knows that too, which is why he stays as far away from Lancer as possible. If Lancer ever got that look in his eyes and took the stance, Archer would backpedal like his life depended on it, because it would.
Fujino's ME would complete ignore Infinity because they rely only on her ability to perceive a thing and on her conceptual understanding/beliefs on if its "bendable/twistable". It basically affects Gojo's body directly instead of being something like a thing that goes through space.what about the mystic eyes of distortion. Can it bypass infinity?