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Something can't exist outside the root yet appear inside the verse. It doesn't really make sense. I understand that Yog in Nasuverse might not necessarily be from Nasuverse but from Cthulhu Mythos, but if that were the case, the root shouldn't have been able to restrict Yog from interacting comfortably with Nasuverse based on their tiering difference on this site. Except we upgraded the root to boundless.
technically speaking, it should. Since these are literally two different universes (not from the point of view of space-time continuums, but from the point of view of authorship), the Root may well act as the original point, the boundary of Our Universe, which protects from everything from the outside
 
technically speaking, it should. Since these are literally two different universes (not from the point of view of space-time continuums, but from the point of view of authorship), the Root may well act as the original point, the boundary of Our Universe, which protects from everything from the outside
What I'm saying is, even if the root acts as a binding force for Nasuverse, is it supposed to be powerful enough to block Yog from Cthulhu Mythos from interfering with the Nasuverse? Yog-Sothoth is tier 0 on this wiki. The root is 1A. If Yog is truly the one from C Mythos, the root shouldn't have been able to restrict him. This is one of the reasons I consider the cosmology of Nasuverse to be underd-explained on this site. CSAP wiki has better Nasuverse cosmology explanation since it's more straightforward.

Also point of authorship isnt really applicable in this situation since Nasu already submitted copyright from Cthulu Mythos to include Yog Sothoth in his verse.
 
What I'm saying is, even if the root acts as a binding force for Nasuverse, is it supposed to be powerful enough to block Yog from Cthulhu Mythos from interfering with the Nasuverse? Yog-Sothoth is tier 0 on this wiki. The root is 1A. If Yog is truly the one from C Mythos, the root shouldn't have been able to restrict him. This is one of the reasons I consider the cosmology of Nasuverse to be underd-explained on this site. CSAP wiki has better Nasuverse cosmology explanation since it's more straightforward.

Also point of authorship isnt really applicable in this situation since Nasu already submitted copyright from Cthulu Mythos to include Yog Sothoth in his verse.
Well I meant, Yog is Tier 0 in his own fictional universe that represents it's own complex cosmology. It should not affect other fictional universes like Nasuverse. That why Yog not affect Nasuverse with his full powers and Root can block him. In addition, it explains why Zepar reacted so skeptically to Raum's words about other universes beyond their own. Well, it is logical that apart from the Nasuverse, there should hardly have been anything else for them, but Nasu decided otherwise.
 
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Well I meant, Yog is Tier 0 in his own fictional universe that represents it's own complex cosmology. It should not affect other fictional universes like Nasuverse. That why Yog not affect Nasuverse with his full powers and Root can block him. In addition, it explains why Zepar reacted so skeptically to Raum's words about other universes beyond their own. Well, it is logical that apart from the Nasuverse, there should hardly have been anything else for them, but Nasu decided otherwise.
Yog in nasuverse is not yog in his verse.

And yog in nasuverse is still part of the Root bruh. INS litteraly relies the two universe, and outer god use it as a gateway.
 
Well I meant, Yog is Tier 0 in his own fictional universe that represents it's own complex cosmology. It should not affect other fictional universes like Nasuverse. That why Yog not affect Nasuverse with his full powers and Root can block him. In addition, it explains why Zepar reacted so skeptically to Raum's words about other universes beyond their own. Well, it is logical that apart from the Nasuverse, there should hardly have been anything else for them, but Nasu decided otherwise.
Tier 0 in one verse does not mean tier 0 in another verse if what your trying to say is same character same level in Different verses.

Easiest example Marvel thor ≠ MCU thor (same character but completely different levels of power in completely different verses)
 
You guy should trop trying to invent thing from nowhere.

Outer god and their universe in fate is a thing from the beginning of the series. And it exist 0 declaration of them being outside of the Root (Root is litteraly the verse)
That's what I'm trying to say.

The Root is literally Nasuverse itself and extends even further.
 
Yog in nasuverse is not yog in his verse.

And yog in nasuverse is still part of the Root bruh. INS litteraly relies the two universe, and outer god use it as a gateway.
But Zepar and Raum, that knows about Root and parallel worlds, referred to Outer Universe as thing that even should not exist because it exist outside their universe
 
I think I will clear up the issue once and for all.

Outer Gods, indeed, do live outside of the "Universe." But that doesn't mean anything because nowhere was it stated that they exist outside all dimensional theories as The Root does. So even if Yog-Sothoth "encompasses all possible dimensions and is connected to all possible things," as Raum stated, it doesn't hold a candle to what The Root does. The Root is above everything.
The Root is Nasuverse by itself. Anything that appears in the Nasuverse is a result of The Root. It's impossible to be a separate creation from the root as that would contradict the lore of what The Root is supposed to be.
Yog-Sothoth in Cthulu Mythos is Tier 0 on this website. The Root is 1A. It makes no sense for The Root to be capable of restricting Yog-Sothoth. Even if you make the argument that it's because he's from another fictional verse, it still doesn't matter because Nasu already made such a character appear in his verse, which means he has the ability to use Cthulu's Yog-Sothoth legally without getting copyrighted however freely he wished yet he made Yog to be unable to overcome the Root's restriction which means The Root was stronger than Yog-Sothoth. By the way, all these points assume that the Yog-Sothoth that appeared in Nasuverse is from Cthulu Mythos.
If the Yog isn't from Cthulu, but from Nasuverse, just like how "God" from Fate which Solomon and Jeanne d'Arc worship is different from the Abrahamic God we all worship, then Yog is still weaker than the root because the Root encompasses everything in the verse and every extension. Remember the root represents true infinity which nothing can ever reach even if you stick multiple infinities to it and it's beyond description as well which means the Root is both representing an absolute infinity, and an Apophatic Theology to the rest of the Nasuverse. The root would always remain unreachable to the Outer Gods no matter what due to it being apophatic.
In addition, the root contains contradictions as well(impossibilities and whatnots).


So it's not too far-fetched to say that the Root could do such a thing to even Cthulu's Yog-Sothoth.
 
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I think I will clear up the issue once and for all.

Outer Gods, indeed, do live outside of the "Universe." But that doesn't mean anything because nowhere was it stated that they exist outside all dimensional theories as The Root does. So even if Yog-Sothoth "encompasses all possible dimensions and is connected to all possible things," as Raum stated, it doesn't hold a candle to what The Root does. The Root is above everything.
The Root is Nasuverse by itself. Anything that appears in the Nasuverse is a result of The Root. It's impossible to be a separate creation from the root as that would contradict the lore of what The Root is supposed to be.
Yog-Sothoth in Cthulu Mythos is Tier 0 on this website. The Root is 1A. It makes no sense for The Root to be capable of restricting Yog-Sothoth. Even if you make the argument that it's because he's from another fictional verse, it still doesn't matter because Nasu already made such a character appear in his verse, which means he has the ability to use Cthulu's Yog-Sothoth legally without getting copyrighted however freely he wished yet he made Yog to be unable to overcome the Root's restriction which means The Root was stronger than Yog-Sothoth. By the way, all these points assume that the Yog-Sothoth that appeared in Nasuverse is from Cthulu Mythos.
If the Yog isn't from Cthulu, but from Nasuverse, just like how "God" from Fate which Solomon and Jeanne d'Arc worship is different from the Abrahamic God we all worship, then Yog is still weaker than the root because the Root encompasses everything in the verse and every extension. Remember the root represents true infinity which nothing can ever reach even if you stick multiple infinities to it and it's beyond description as well which means the Root is both representing an absolute infinity, and an Apophatic Theology to the rest of the Nasuverse. The root would always remain unreachable to the Outer Gods no matter what due to it being apophatic.
I really hope that someday they will return to the Outer Gods and describe their position in cosmology better than it is now. It's very interesting what will come out of this. And I did not say that the Yog from the Cthulhu Mythos is able to overpower the Root in Nasuverse. I only said that it should be the same Yog-Sothoth from Cthulhu Mythos and yes, inside the Nasuverse Yog-Sothoth really should be weaker than the Root, I have nothing against it, because it is logical (the verse of the Root and it prevails in it, even if the essence is from outside it), because Yog affects only Cthulhu Mythos with it's full powers as well as Root affects only Nasuverse in it's full powers.
 
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I really hope that someday they will return to the Outer Gods and describe their position in cosmology better than it is now. It's very interesting what will come out of this.
Not only the outer gods. But so many other things as well. The root, the akashic records, the throne of heroes, etc are all outdated or under-explained on this site. The cosmology is way higher than we think.
 
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Not only the outer gods. But so many other things as well. The root, the akashic records, the throne of heroes, etc are all outdated or under-explained on this site..
And, well, Root could not "create" other fictional universes. It affects ONLY Nasuverse.
 
And, well, Root could not "create" other fictional universes. It affects ONLY Nasuverse.
Isn't that the case for every fictional story? The same way Nasuverse can't create another known and existing verse without copyright is the same way other verses can't do the same. Creating fiction is an in-verse thing. It doesn't affect other verses. For example, Akuto Sai being stated to create all stories only applies to his own verse and his limited cosmology.
 
Isn't that the case for every fictional story? The same way Nasuverse can't create another known and existing verse without copyright is the same way other verses can't do the same. Creating fiction is an in-verse thing. It doesn't affect other verses. For example, Akuto Sai being stated to create all stories only applies to his own verse and his limited cosmology.
Yea, I just thought it was important to mention it. Anyway, I personally tend to think that Nasu decided to use two verses (Nasuverse and Cthulhu Mythos) to make the story interesting, but instead it turned out to be some shit.
 
But Zepar and Raum, that knows about Root and parallel worlds, referred to Outer Universe as thing that even should not exist because it exist outside their universe
You know that the root is not only limited to the universe earth and that we know other universe too?
 
But all of them was a part of Nasuverse (Universe of Machine Gods, for example or Servant Universe). It's all part's of Parallel Worlds
Univers of machine god are not part of parallele universe lol. Servant universe are parallele universel but greek god came from another universe not another timeline
 
Univers of machine god are not part of parallele universe lol. Servant universe are parallele universel but greek god came from another universe not another timeline
? It was never mentioned that they are from universe that outside Parallel Worlds. Well, TYPE-MOON wiki refers to it as just another planet :D
 
Root limited by Nasuverse, that includes Parallel Worlds (that includes Machine Gods universe, Servant Universe, EXTRA and e.t.c)
Outer god universe is part of nasuverse, nasuverse is just everything that exist in the fate franchise.

And machine god universe is not a parallele world, they doens't even have earth in.
 
? It was never mentioned that they are from universe that outside Parallel Worlds. Well, TYPE-MOON wiki refers to it as just another planet :D
They are? They can't be from another parallele world when they exist litteraly in every of them. It doesn't exist a "machine god Parallele world".
Parallele world are litteraly just other timeline from earth. And machine god litteraly came from their universe and go to earth.
 
They are? They can't be from another parallele world when they exist litteraly in every of them. It doesn't exist a "machine god Parallele world".
Parallele world are litteraly just other timeline from earth. And machine god litteraly came from their universe and go to earth.
You Just mixed up Parallel Worlds and Proper Human History
 
You Just mixed up Parallel Worlds and Proper Human History
No you just don't understand that it's pratically the same thing.

Parallele world equal to all different timeline of earth. Proper human history equal to all timeline of earth that alaya let exist.

And machine god litteraly came from an dying universe to our, rip space/time to come to ur universe and find earth who they wanted to transform it in ther new home
 
No you just don't understand that it's litteraly the same thing.

Parallele world equal to all different timeline of earth.

And machine god litteraly came from an dying universe to our, and find earth who they wanted to transform it in ther new hole
Parallel Worlds =\= Proper Human History. Parallel Worlds includes it. For example, Servant Universe don't care about Proper Human History. And, well, Machine Gods affects by the rules of magecraft as well as other universes in Parallel Worlds.
 
Parallel Worlds =\= Proper Human History. Parallel Worlds includes it. For example, Servant Universe don't care about Proper Human History. And, well, Machine Gods affects by the rules of magecraft as well as other universes in Parallel Worlds.
You don't even understand what i telll bruh
Never tell their was the same and the rest of you is false.

Servant universe is like the universe after the one we were bcz of the universe update.

And machine god is not related at all of the parallele world since they had nothing to do with earth and our universe.

Parallele world are litteraly different timeline of earth.

And machine god are affected by magecraft simply bcz everything is affected by it? Outer god are affected by it too.
 
Servant universe is a parallele universe of fgo just in the futur where universe update happen.

Machine god is not a parallele world bcz it has nothing to do with our universe.
 
You don't even understand what i telll bruh
Never tell their was the same and the rest of you is false.

Servant universe is like the universe after the one we were bcz of the universe update.

And machine god is not related at all of the parallele world since they had nothing to do with earth and our universe.

Parallele world are litteraly different timeline of earth.

And machine god are affected by magecraft simply bcz everything is affected by it? Outer god are affected by it too.
Actually, Outer Gods do not affect by the rules of magecraft. Gilles de Rais said that.
 
Actually, Outer Gods do not affect by the rules of magecraft. Gilles de Rais said that.
It does, in ins we affect them normaly and mhxx can kill them with magecraft. Some of their skill are litteraly counted as magecraft in fgo

They just not affect by the modern magecraft like god are not'
 
It does, in ins we affect them normaly and mhxx can kill them with magecraft. Some of their skill are litteraly counted as magecraft in fgo

They just not affect by the modern magecraft like god are not'
Uhm.. MHXX can't kill them, she just repel them. All she did is killed Servant that was a vessel for Cthulhu...

UPD: not vessel, just Oei. Damn, MHXX so gross.
 
She can kill them it's litteraly her job. Even her profile talk a out Eradicate and not "repell"

Justice of the Ends of the World (A):​

Power from the 『boundary』 that is the forefront and farthest end of the Universe. It’s the power to bite a hole in 『void』, and the truth that expands the Universe itself. It offers all but unlimited power, able even to repel even higher beings from outside the universe in order to restore balance to the universe. XX...doesn't really understand how it works.
 
She not reached the root? She reached emptiness which is a thing of her martial art.
No, she reached the Root. In the Atlantic Lostbelt, in order to seal away the hollow space that Chaos was using to attempt to enter the universe, she reached beyond her limits of her Noble Phantasm and swordsmanship in order to achieve the ability to cut the space that is equivalent to "Void". By reaching beyond "Zero", achieving "True Emptiness",「 」, and cutting "Zero", her attack succeeds in cutting the hollow space that Chaos uses to observe the Lostbelt, reverting it to Void and sealing Chaos from accessing this universe. However, by achieving 「」 she erases her Spirit Origin from Chaldea's records and from the Throne of Heroes, wiping her from existence and preventing her from being re-summoned.
 
WAAAAIT a minute. Doesn't it tells us that Root is limited only by "This" Universe and acts as border for other universes (not even Outer Universe)?
 

Justice of the Ends of the World (A):​

Power from the 『boundary』 that is the forefront and farthest end of the Universe. It’s the power to bite a hole in 『void』, and the truth that expands the Universe itself. It offers all but unlimited power, able even to repel even higher beings from outside the universe in order to restore balance to the universe. XX...doesn't really understand how it works.
I talk about the first description o
Not this skill. "laws of the universe, she eradicates Earth's mankind and the Foreigners who shares the same attributes as herself."


She don't know how to use justice of the end.
 
No, she reached the Root. In the Atlantic Lostbelt, in order to seal away the hollow space that Chaos was using to attempt to enter the universe, she reached beyond her limits of her Noble Phantasm and swordsmanship in order to achieve the ability to cut the space that is equivalent to "Void". By reaching beyond "Zero", achieving "True Emptiness",「 」, and cutting "Zero", her attack succeeds in cutting the hollow space that Chaos uses to observe the Lostbelt, reverting it to Void and sealing Chaos from accessing this universe. However, by achieving 「」 she erases her Spirit Origin from Chaldea's records and from the Throne of Heroes, wiping her from existence and preventing her from being re-summoned.
[] Is not the root in this text....

True emptiness is a state of her skill, you don't understand the meaning of achieving []?
 
[] Is not the root in this text....

True emptiness is a state of her skill
Bruh. That's the Root. C'mon man. 「 」is only used to pronounce "Emptiness" and that symbol for the Root. She reached Realm of Nothingness in the fight with the another saber, not on the Lostbelt.
 
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