Naruto Shippuden: Removal of 7-A+ for Top and High Tiers

[M3X_2.0]

Because the clone doesn't have the full power of the original, that's why he is a clone. But can't we use that 1/2 of original from the water clone? They are basically the same thing, just different elements

 

[LordTracer]

That kinda seems like headcanon tbh, and wood clones are noted in the databook to have greater durability than the usual clone.

 

[LordTracer]

On top of Wood Clones being more durable than the usual clone, Madara said that only he can see the difference between a Wood Clone and the original.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

What about Rinnegan Obito, he physically scales to Kyuubi Chakra Mode and Base Bijuu Mode Naruto

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm applying the ratings for the V2 Jins, but I noted some scaling issues. I'll not change that. Too much trouble. We can add explanations and scans later.

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah, the jinchūriki and Bijuu need to be separated with Pre-War and War Arc keys.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Naruto too

 

[LordTracer]

Naruto too

Yep. He also needs to be separated between Pre-Pain Arc and Pain Arc, but that can be gone over in a different thread where we handle Kisame scaling.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Just "Pre War Arc" and "War Arc", the first one would be separated by arcs

 

[LordTracer]

Well, his base form tiering would end up being different, because Pre-Pain, he scales to Neji (7-B) and Post-Pain, he scales to Jiraiya and Sasuke (7-B+/7-A).

But like I said, we can save that discussion for later.

What about Rinnegan Obito, he physically scales to Kyuubi Chakra Mode and Base Bijuu Mode Naruto

Obito should also scale, and so should War Arc Kakashi and Sixth Gate Guy.

 

[M3X_2.0]

After editting Jinchuriki profiles, Jesus Christ they are awful. Some random scaling, they lack their Sub-Rel rating from fighting KCM...

 

[M3X_2.0]

Obito should also scale, and so should War Arc Kakashi and Sixth Gate Guy.

Can you post feats of Obito fighting KCM? Then I can write some good justifications

 

[LordTracer]

Can you post feats of Obito fighting KCM? Then I can write some good justifications

Sure, just gimme a few minutes to grab the scans.

 

[LordTracer]

• Blocks a Rasengan with his gunbai.
• Harms Naruto, and he compliments Obito’s strength.
• Gets hit in the arm by a Rasengan, with little ill effects.
• Takes a KCM2 Rasengan to the face, although his mask might’ve protected him.
• KCM2 headbutts him and it only bruises him.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Perfect. I'll write something soon

 

[Axxtentacle]

The Rasengan usually has some kind of like, AOE affect to it, so the rasengan to the face thing can probably work.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Kakashi, Guy, Madara, Hashirama and Tobirama. Only those and we are done. Not applying the 6-C rating for now.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'll also apply the 10 times multiplier of SM for Naruto and Hashirama, BSM and Sage Mode key.

 

[M3X_2.0]

All done. If yall want to write more justifications and add scans, feel free.

 

[LordTracer]

I’ll edit Hashirama and Tobirama.

And I could do the Five Kage too, if everyone’s alright with that.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'm editing Hashirama, don't worry.
Forgot about em

 

[M3X_2.0]

NVM. Need to wait the other CRT to finish to apply the multiplier for Naruto.

 

[LordTracer]

I applied it to Alive Tobirama, I think his Edo key is fine for now.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

What's left to do?

 

[LordTracer]

The other people that scale to KCM like the Five Kage, Sakura, Edo Itachi and KCM Minato should probably be updated as well.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We need a compilation of feats for the stated characters.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

It's quite simple

Rasenshuriken is High 7-A, Almighty Push can disperse and cancel out Rasenshuriken making it High 7-A, Six Tails Naruto can physically withstand and overpower Almighty Push and has his own High 7-A AP Calc, therefore Six Tails Naruto is High 7-A in every stat

This is basic scaling

Makes sense to me

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Shouldn't Sasori scale above Rasa? Since he beat the strongest Kazekage.

 

[M3X_2.0]

IIRC it's stated that what happened/the method he used is unknown.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

What about the Third Kazekage puppet then? Wouldn't it scale?

 

[LordTracer]

Five Kage

• Full power A is strong enough to kill KCM Naruto.
• A blitzes Madara and sends him flying.
• Mei melts Madara’s Susano’o ribcage.
• Gaara and Ōnoki block an attack from the Susano’o.
• All five survive a hit from the Susano’o.
• Tsunade is stronger than A and can crack Madara’s Susano’o ribcage.
• Mei matches Madara’s Katon.
• Ōnoki and A crack the Susano’o ribcage and Tsunade destroys it, with Madara somewhat complimenting her strength.
• Tsunade punches a hole in Madara’s wood clone.
• Tsunade breaks a Susano’o blade and takes a hit from Madara.
• Mei survives a punch from the Susano’o and Gaara blocks a hit from one with his sand.
• Ōnoki protects A from several Susano’o at once.

Sakura

• Stated to have caught up with Naruto and Sasuke, with Sasuke telling Naruto not to drag them down.
• The databook reiterates Sakura being on par with them.
• Naruto was afraid of her strength and Hashirama stated that she might surpass Tsunade.

Edo Itachi

• Clashes with KCM Naruto and briefly trades blows with him.

Edo Minato’s KCM/Bijuu Mode uses the other half of the Kyuubi, which should make him equal to Naruto by default.

 

[LordTracer]

What about the Third Kazekage puppet then? Wouldn't it scale?

We should save Sasori for the thread addressing Kisame, because that will affect a large portion of the Akatsuki.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Also the Hiruko shell is like 100 times weaker than Valley of the End Sasuke going by our profiles. lol
That doesn't sound right either.

 

[LordTracer]

Also the Hiruko shell is like 100 times weaker than Valley of the End Sasuke going by our profiles. lol
That doesn't sound right either.

That’s because Sasori hasn’t been properly updated. He’ll be upgraded, but again, save it for the Kisame thread.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Woooooah, you guys move too fast...

Well, I was unable to participate yesterday due to exams, but now I'm free. I really want to help, but I need to be brought up to speed.

Can someone please provide a summary of what's been accepted and applied so far?

 

[LordTracer]

Woooooah, you guys move too fast...

Well, I was unable to participate yesterday due to exams, but now I'm free. I really want to help, but I need to be brought up to speed.

Can someone please provide a summary of what's been accepted and applied so far?

High 7-A upgrades have been applied for SM Naruto, Pain, KCM/KCM2 Naruto, Madara, Hashirama, Tobirama, Rinnegan Obito, War Arc Kakashi, and Sixth Gate Guy.

 

[Rocker1189]

We should now be attempting to scale the 5 Kage, Itachi and Sakura and who ever scales to them, like EMS Sasuke and MS Sasuke with some jutsu.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'm noticing some minor issues with what's been applied, so I'll start working on improving them and post it here ASAP. Once that's finalized, we can move on to the next batch of characters.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Tracer gave us the scans above, so i think they should be fine.

 

[Rocker1189]

Also I dont think Mei's melting should count to AP as that is hax, her water jutsu is good enough. I dont think she has any striking strength feats though so that should probably be Unknown.