[Naruto] Juubito Update

[NeoKingOfLight]

So this “should” be very straightforward…

Proposal: Obito with full Mastery of the Ten-Tails should be listed as, “At Least Large Country Level [400Tt], Likely Higher.”

Reasoning: Right now, Juubi’s Charged TBB is scaling to 100Tt because it is unquantifiably higher than its previous TBB in its weaker form (98.35Tt). Juubito currently is scaling to 200Tt for being unquantifiably higher than Edo SM Hashirama, whom is 190+Tt (Forgot the exact figure) — Sword of Nunoboku is a separate thing. I was surprised because Obito’s profile “does” reference the once feat (Which I am using here) that actually can be used to scale him “better” but its not being used to scale him.

Feat: Obito casually creates 4 Charged TBB and creates a barrier that tanks the combined explosion. [Ref: Chapter 643]

Even if we lowballed it to just 4x the Previous TBB (98.35Tt), Mastered Ten-Tails Obito would still be “At Least Large Country Level [393.4Tt], Likely Higher”, but tbh, if we did that, we might as well not even round Juubi up to 100Tt. As far as the 200Tt rating goes, if this is accepted, that can just be replaced by this.

Updated Proposal (Courtesy of @MinatoSparkle):

“Attack Potency: Large Country level (yada yada), higherafter gaining control (He became more powerful than before due to finally gaining full control over the Ten Tails' power, whereas previously he was unable to fully handle that power. He can easily block attacks from Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and Sasuke's Senjutsu Susano'o at the same time. Easily overpowered KSM Naruto and Sasuke, sent them crashing down, and knocked them out of their chakra avatars. Even while being almost completely broken mentally and having the Bijū nearly extracted, he was still capable of briefly holding off the Majestic Attire Susano'o along with the entire Shinobi Alliance and only lost after completely losing his will to fight), even higher with Quad Jūbidamas (Created an explosion consisting of the combined power of 4 Jūbidamas), possibly Multi-Continent level with the Sword of Nunoboko (Stated that he would use the sword to obliterate the world, just as Hagoromo used it to create the world)

Durability: Large Country level (Comparable to his striking strength), higher after gaining control (More durable than before. His TSB shield was able to withstand 4 charged Jūbidamas exploding simultaneously without taking any damage, but it only took a small portion of the blast. TSB users have generally been shown to be more durable than their TSB shields, which should apply to Obito as well), even higher with Six Crimson Rays Formation (Surpasses the Four Crimson Rays Formation, and withstood the explosion of 4 combined Jūbidamas“

Agree: MinatoSparkle (ST), XSOULOFCINDERX (ST), Ghostimuscrime (ST)

Neutral: Godernet

Disagree: Testarossa002, Damage3245, Karo_Senpaii

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think 400 TT with Quad Juubidamas would be better than just flat out replacing his regular AP with that technique's power

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I think 400 TT with Quad Juubidamas would be better than just flat out replacing his regular AP with that technique's power

Eh… how do you square that thought with the barrier tanking them? Wouldn’t that imply it can be more than just the Quad Juubidamas?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Eh… how do you square that thought with the barrier tanking them? Wouldn’t that imply it can be more than just the Quad Juubidamas?

With Six Crimson Rays Formation sure, that is also a special jutsu I'd say

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

With Six Crimson Rays Formation sure, that is also a special jutsu I'd say

Alright. Shall I add you to agree?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Alright. Shall I add you to agree?

Agree with specific techniques

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with Sparkle fra.

Edit: Madara should be able to use these techniques as well since it comes from the same source that he also has.

 

[karo_senpaii]

So this “should” be very straightforward…

Proposal: Obito with full Mastery of the Ten-Tails should be listed as, “At Least Large Country Level [400Tt], Likely Higher.”

Reasoning: Right now, Juubi’s Charged TBB is scaling to 100Tt because it is unquantifiably higher than its previous TBB in its weaker form (98.35Tt). Juubito currently is scaling to 200Tt for being unquantifiably higher than Edo SM Hashirama, whom is 190+Tt (Forgot the exact figure) — Sword of Nunoboku is a separate thing. I was surprised because Obito’s profile “does” reference the once feat (Which I am using here) that actually can be used to scale him “better” but its not being used to scale him.

Feat: Obito casually creates 4 Charged TBB and creates a barrier that tanks the combined explosion. [Ref: Chapter 643]

Even if we lowballed it to just 4x the Previous TBB (98.35Tt), Mastered Ten-Tails Obito would still be “At Least Large Country Level [393.4Tt], Likely Higher”, but tbh, if we did that, we might as well not even round Juubi up to 100Tt. As far as the 200Tt rating goes, if this is accepted, that can just be replaced by this.

Agree: MinatoSparkle (ST), XSOULOFCINDERX (ST)

Nuetral:

Disagree:

I don't really agree with this. Obito had to use the tso to save himself from the explosion tbh. He didn't think he could physically take all 4. At best he can have this ap attached to his tso since it tanked the explosion successfully and he should be able to dish out with his tso as much as it could take. In a separate scene even if it was unstable juubito he still got destroyed by his own tso. It is very clear the tso are much higher than he himself is in obito case

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I don't really agree with this. Obito had to use the tso to save himself from the explosion tbh. He didn't think he could physically take all 4. At best he can have this ap attached to his tso since it tanked the explosion successfully and he should be able to dish out with his tso as much as it could take. In a separate scene even if it was unstable juubito he still got destroyed by his own tso. It is very clear the tso are much higher than he himself is in obito case

I mean, it was already established that Naruto Characters don’t “physically” scale to their Jutsu AP, outside of legitimate showings. So that wasn’t in question. All that is being presented here is acknowledgement that Obito produced 4 Charged TBB (When 1 is already at 100Tt) and that he also produced a Shield thankt tanked their combined explosion.

Obito shielding himself makes sense as even regular Biju get hurt by their STANDARD TBB, let alone charged ones, as shown with Gyuuki. The TSB scaling to this is a given, but idk why you’re using Unstable Juubito as an argument when we’re talking about the stronger version and not talking about Physicals… At least I wasn’t referring to physicals.

I was just bringing up Juubito’s output via his Jutsu. Other extrapolations, if any, can be done another time.

 

[Testarossa002]

Nah
Creating 4 of the same attack at once doesn't mean your AP is 4x.
Same way characters AP gets divided if the feat is done with multiple attacks
AP is measured by the output of a single attack
From our AP page

The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.

The only things that can scale is the barrier and his shield
Both of which aren't AP.
It can be acknowledged on his page for VS matches reasons.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Nah
Creating 4 of the same attack at once doesn't mean your AP is 4x.

Sure, but if you read the chapter, that’s not the case here. The Charged TBB he created are stated and shown to be of the same caliber as the one the Juubi spammed. So yes, he produced 4 100Tt TBB and a Barrier to tank them at once.

Same way characters AP gets divided if the feat is done with multiple attacks

Read above.

AP is measured by the output of a single attack
From our AP page

Read above.

The only things that can scale is the barrier and his shield

Well if you read other people’s responses, you’d see that they are only agreeing but only for the TBB creation and Shield. Obviously TSB would also scale but I will remind you you that Obito is producing all this stuff via his chakra (Obviously). Imo, though I am not going to push the issue, suggesting ONLY the TBB scales to this and the shield and the TSB, when these things are created from his chakra and recreatable at any time, kinda flies in the face of how CC works in the verse. After all, that’s all a TBB is. Concentrating a lot of Chakra into a sphere at a specifc ratio. Now if you think he can do that but CC doesn’t allow him to do that for say, a fire ball, then that’s your prerogative, but it makes no sense to me when it’s so basic and not complex.

But I digress… As I said, i’m not pushing the issue on that.

Both of which aren't AP.
It can be acknowledged on his page for VS matches reasons.

Again, read above. Also, I’ll not that in addition to this not being context of the feat (Which is explained and you can read yourself), using the Juubi as a Cap to suggest this isn’t the case is faulty as the Juubi itself doesn’t have complete mastery of it’s own power. It literally spammed this same technique and this case, Obito simply created four the same one (at the same caliber) at the same time. You’re trying to imply it’s 25Tt each and that’s not the context here.

 

[Testarossa002]

Sure, but if you read the chapter, that’s not the case here. The Charged TBB he created are stated and shown to be of the same caliber as the one the Juubi spammed. So yes, he produced 4 100Tt TBB and a Barrier to tank them at once.

Not really sure what your point is here
I already said he's making 4 of the same attack
It doesn't mean his AP is 4x of that.
Naruto making a rasengan each on his arms doesn't mean his AP (VSBW wise) is doubled
I quoted the part of the tiering system stating this.
1 tbb is not going to be made 400TT

Well if you read other people’s responses, you’d see that they are only agreeing but only for the TBB creation and Shield. Obviously TSB would also scale but I will remind you you that Obito is producing all this stuff via his chakra (Obviously). Imo, though I am not going to push the issue, suggesting ONLY the TBB scales to this and the shield and the TSB, when these things are created from his chakra and recreatable at any time, kinda flies in the face of how CC works in the verse. After all, that’s all a TBB is. Concentrating a lot of Chakra into a sphere at a specifc ratio. Now if you think he can do that but CC doesn’t allow him to do that for say, a fire ball, then that’s your prerogative, but it makes no sense to me when it’s so basic and not complex.

This is more of a verse wide issue.
A regular rasengan made by KA Naruto isn't going to get the same rating as a charged bijuu bomb.

Again, read above. Also, I’ll not that in addition to this not being context of the feat (Which is explained and you can read yourself), using the Juubi as a Cap to suggest this isn’t the case is faulty as the Juubi itself doesn’t have complete mastery of it’s own power. It literally spammed this same technique and this case, Obito simply created four the same one (at the same caliber) at the same time. You’re trying to imply it’s 25Tt each and that’s not the context here.

How did I imply it to be a cap or even be 25TT?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nah
Creating 4 of the same attack at once doesn't mean your AP is 4x.
Same way characters AP gets divided if the feat is done with multiple attacks
AP is measured by the output of a single attack
From our AP page

The only things that can scale is the barrier and his shield
Both of which aren't AP.
It can be acknowledged on his page for VS matches reasons.

It's kinda different from just doing 4 attacks at the same time since it's an explosion, which means the energy is combining and forming one bigger explosion rather than being 4 separate explosions

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Not really sure what your point is here
I already said he's making 4 of the same attack
It doesn't mean his AP is 4x of that.
Naruto making a rasengan each on his arms doesn't mean his AP (VSBW wise) is doubled
I quoted the part of the tiering system stating this.
1 tbb is not going to be made 400TT

For starters I never said he was doing that and was quite clear in what I said. And you can say whatever you want but the fact is, he is producing and condensing 400Tt of Chakra. It doesn’t matter if it’s 4 separate attacks, it’s built up simultaneously in one action, not 4 separate actions. Let me remind you how CC works in verse (Read the Chapter)

This is more of a verse wide issue.
A regular rasengan made by KA Naruto isn't going to get the same rating as a charged bijuu bomb.

Not in AoE, sure, but this is flat out false. Rasengan literally has the same mechanics as TBB (Produce Chakra > Condense Chakra into Sphere). The only differences between the two is Rasengan adds Rotation, TBB has a Ratio Mechanic, Rasengan is more focused, TBB explodes. Your argument is essentially saying, Naruto can’t produce the same amount of chakra for a Rasengan that he can for a TBB and that is just not how the verse works.

How did I imply it to be a cap or even be 25TT?

My apologies for misunderstanding your post.

Edit: My link isn’t working on “Read The Chapter”. For referenced I was trying to link edit Chapter 90 for that part.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Bump

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Ik this late but I agree with sparkle

 

[Damage3245]

I'm surprised I hadn't commented on this before, but I agree with Testarossa002. His argument falls more in line with our page on Multiplier standards.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I'm surprised I hadn't commented on this before, but I agree with Testarossa002. His argument falls more in line with our page on Multiplier standards.

Testarossa002’s response has some big deficiencies imo and they never got the chance to address my last response.

 

[Godernet]

Wasn’t this rejected when brought up in one of Arc’s threads a while back due to the explosion being funneled out the top of the barrier meaning no one part of it would have taken 4x the yield of one Juubi Bomb?

Even for the TSO portion it’s hard to say that his shield took the concentrated power of all four Bijuu Bombs with all the energy being funneled out through the top rather than being concentrated all on Obito.

Neutral for now

 

[Testarossa002]

For starters I never said he was doing that and was quite clear in what I said. And you can say whatever you want but the fact is, he is producing and condensing 400Tt of Chakra. It doesn’t matter if it’s 4 separate attacks, it’s built up simultaneously in one action, not 4 separate actions. Let me remind you how CC works in verse (Read the Chapter)

you can't say it doesn't matter if it's 4 separate attacks when it directly contradicts how scaling is treated here

The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack.

If scaling were done that way, every character with Danmaku attacks would be getting >x12 of their regular AP. But they don't.

Not in AoE, sure, but this is flat out false. Rasengan literally has the same mechanics as TBB (Produce Chakra > Condense Chakra into Sphere). The only differences between the two is Rasengan adds Rotation, TBB has a Ratio Mechanic, Rasengan is more focused, TBB explodes. Your argument is essentially saying, Naruto can’t produce the same amount of chakra for a Rasengan that he can for a TBB and that is just not how the verse works.

i didn't say a bijuu bomb. I said a charged bijuu bomb vs a regular rasengan. Unless you're saying a regular rasengan is more powerful than a standard bijuu bomb. For reference sake, a regular bijuu bomb was what Bee made while trying to destroy the CT core alongside naruto and itachi while a charged bomb is the one he made while trying to nuke the gedo mazo alongside naruto

 

[MinatoSparkle]

you can't say it doesn't matter if it's 4 separate attacks when it directly contradicts how scaling is treated here

If scaling were done that way, every character with Danmaku attacks would be getting >x12 of their regular AP. But they don't.

It's kinda different from just doing 4 attacks at the same time since it's an explosion, which means the energy is combining and forming one bigger explosion rather than being 4 separate explosions

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Wasn’t this rejected when brought up in one of Arc’s threads a while back due to the explosion being funneled out the top of the barrier meaning no one part of it would have taken 4x the yield of one Juubi Bomb?

Um… That’s not really true though. The energy is clearly contained first and foremost before being funneled out. There was no funneling at the outset of the explosion to be what is you’re claiming to have happened initially. Nor can you ignore the fact the Barrier has to be able to withstand the overall Blastwave to be able to “funnel” the explosion anyways. That is literally basic physics at this point, otherwise the barrier would be popped on detonation. This is the same principle of Rocket Thrusters and why for decades they’ve been unable to be reusable. Only difference is, there is no funnel opening for the energy to be vented out / towards.

So it’s just not valid to assert the barrier didn’t withstand the full force of 4 bombs at once.

Even for the TSO portion it’s hard to say that his shield took the concentrated power of all four Bijuu Bombs with all the energy being funneled out through the top rather than being concentrated all on Obito.

Except the entire barrier is enclosed (Read Above). The entire explosion is first contained then expelled.

Yes, you can argue it was ultimately “expelled” but you cannot get around the fact the barrier has to first contain it.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

you can't say it doesn't matter if it's 4 separate attacks when it directly contradicts how scaling is treated here

If scaling were done that way, every character with Danmaku attacks would be getting >x12 of their regular AP. But they don't.

i didn't say a bijuu bomb. I said a charged bijuu bomb vs a regular rasengan. Unless you're saying a regular rasengan is more powerful than a standard bijuu bomb. For reference sake, a regular bijuu bomb was what Bee made while trying to destroy the CT core alongside naruto and itachi while a charged bomb is the one he made while trying to nuke the gedo mazo alongside naruto

This is why I said go back and read the chapter. Obito made 4 separate Charged TBB, simultaneously, for which AT THE OUTSET he had to mould said chakra AT ONCE.

• FACT: Obito moulded 400Tt of Chakra at once.
• FACT: Obito simultaneously creates 4 100Tt TBB.
• FACT: Obito then moulds more Chakra to create a Barrier that can withstand the simultaneous detonation of 4 100Tt TBB, confined in a small area (6 Crimson Rays Barrier).

Refer to @MinatoSparkle response to your assertion for the rest.

 

[Testarossa002]

It's kinda different from just doing 4 attacks at the same time since it's an explosion, which means the energy is combining and forming one bigger explosion rather than being 4 separate explosions

I think you mean it's different because the explosions are contained (which doesn't really change anything as a lot of Danmaku's are focused on a single target.

This is why I said go back and read the chapter. Obito made 4 separate Charged TBB, simultaneously, for which AT THE OUTSET he had to mould said chakra AT ONCE.

• FACT: Obito moulded 400Tt of Chakra at once.
• FACT: Obito simultaneously creates 4 100Tt TBB.
• FACT: Obito then moulds more Chakra to create a Barrier that can withstand the simultaneous detonation of 4 100Tt TBB, confined in a small area (6 Crimson Rays Barrier).

Refer to @MinatoSparkle response to your assertion for the rest.

Repeating this doesn't change site standards. We'll just have to agree to disagree

I'm fine with only the Barrier scaling to 400 TT. No on the rest

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

@MinatoSparkle
Can I also ask you (If you can) to re-confirm what the Databook says about the Barrier Obito Created? Particularly if it states verbatim the Barrier actually withstands the Blast, because I feel that is gonna be a big stickler here.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think you mean it's different because the explosions are contained (which doesn't really change anything as a lot of Danmaku's are focused on a single target.

Focused on a single target =/= the energy merging

@MinatoSparkle
Can I also ask you (If you can) to re-confirm what the Databook says about the Barrier Obito Created? Particularly if it states verbatim the Barrier actually withstands the Blast, because I feel that is gonna be a big stickler here.

The part about the barrier Obito created doesn't comment on that, just the part about the one the Hokage made

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Repeating this doesn't change site standards. We'll just have to agree to disagree

Not really. We can disagree but you’d have no choice but to concede Obito can comfortably mould and utilize 400Tt of Chakra for Ninjutsu, because that is literally what he did, as well as showcasing he can comfortable create Ninjutsu to withstand it:

1. His Mokuton wasn’t completely destroyed.
2. His Barrier withstood it.
3. His TSB Barrier withstood it.

Are these not unalienable facts of the fight? By your logic, we can’t scale Gyuuki to tanking his TBB. Madara PS/Hashirama’s Mokuton to Tanking Kurama’s TBB, etc etc.

I'm fine with only the Barrier scaling to 400 TT. No on the rest

That would be contradictory given the feats.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

The part about the barrier Obito created doesn't comment on that, just the part about the one the Hokage made

Does the one the Kage made reference it withstanding the Juubi’s TBB then? Iirc, I remember it saying (About Obito’s) it’s “practically” the same just stronger, or something along those lines.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Does the one the Kage made reference it withstanding the Juubi’s TBB then? Iirc, I remember it saying (About Obito’s) it’s “practically” the same just stronger, or something along those lines.

Yes but that just scales it above one Juubidama

 

[Nierre]

The barrier cannot scale to the explosion of 4x the value of 1 Juubidama (aka the Quad Juubidama), if we do not accept the fact that the explosion itself is 4x the value of 1 Juubidama. You cannot have one without the other.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

The barrier cannot scale to the explosion of 4x the value of 1 Juubidama (aka the Quad Juubidama), if we do not accept the fact that the explosion itself is 4x the value of 1 Juubidama. You cannot have one without the other.

This is where the math stops mathing and it’s difficult for me to understand the logic here…

1. We accept the Juubidama as 100Tt.
2. We accept the Quad Dama being 400Tt total (4 100Tt Juubidama).
3. We don’t accept a confined / combined explosion of them as 400Tt?

This may be dumb but am I literally missing something here? Serious question.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Yes but that just scales it above one Juubidama

It’s literally the same feat x4 though…

 

[Godernet]

Um… That’s not really true though. The energy is clearly contained first and foremost before being funneled out. There was no funneling at the outset of the explosion to be what is you’re claiming to have happened initially.

to correct you rq this wasn't my claim, just what was said in a previous thread that I wanted to bring up since it was a point of contention before.

Nor can you ignore the fact the Barrier has to be able to withstand the overall Blastwave to be able to “funnel” the explosion anyways. That is literally basic physics at this point, otherwise the barrier would be popped on detonation. This is the same principle of Rocket Thrusters and why for decades they’ve been unable to be reusable. Only difference is, there is no funnel opening for the energy to be vented out / towards.

So it’s just not valid to assert the barrier didn’t withstand the full force of 4 bombs at once.

Except the entire barrier is enclosed (Read Above). The entire explosion is first contained then expelled.

Yes, you can argue it was ultimately “expelled” but you cannot get around the fact the barrier has to first contain it.

IMO, the barrier scaling is probably fine if there are no surface area-related logistics for why it can't scale.

TSO probably wouldn't scale off of taking the explosion tho since it only took a smaller unquantifiable portion of the total yield (being at the epicenter of an explosion doesn't scale you to the full yield of an explosion.)

you could maybe have this maneuver of Obito's indexed on his profile as an attack he can do.

 

[Nierre]

This is where the math stops mathing and it’s difficult for me to understand the logic here…

1. We accept the Juubidama as 100Tt.
2. We accept the Quad Dama being 400Tt total (4 100Tt Juubidama).
3. We don’t accept a confined / combined explosion of them as 400Tt?

This may be dumb but am I literally missing something here? Serious question.

That wasn't towards you but towards Test

He's saying the barrier should scale to 400, yet the Quad Juubidama shouldn't be 4x 1 Juubidama (100). It's either the barrier and the Quad Juubidama should scale to 400, or neither at all.


Anyway, quoting excerpts from the Multipliers page:

"Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else."

"For combination attacks, similar standards to multipliers apply. It should not be assumed that a combination attack performed by multiple characters has Attack Potency equal to the sum of the participating characters Attack Potency unless there is specific evidence for it."

For starters, the OP is proposing a multiplier that isn't mentioned within the verse. No direct statements whatsoever.

Feat: Obito casually creates 4 Charged TBB and creates a barrier that tanks the combined explosion. [Ref: Chapter 643]

While the page itself makes specific mention of "multiple characters", the issue still stands that making a combination attack does not equal the sum unless there's specific evidence for it. Which in this case it has zero of. Seeing how it has no direct statements, and no evidence for the multiplier, I'm gonna disagree with the thread completely due to the standards of the Multiplier page.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It’s literally the same feat x4 though…

Not really the point?

That wasn't towards you but towards Test

He's saying the barrier should scale to 400, yet the Quad Juubidama shouldn't be 4x 1 Juubidama (100). It's either the barrier and the Quad Juubidama should scale to 400, or neither at all.


Anyway, quoting excerpts from the Multipliers page:

"Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else."

"For combination attacks, similar standards to multipliers apply. It should not be assumed that a combination attack performed by multiple characters has Attack Potency equal to the sum of the participating characters Attack Potency unless there is specific evidence for it."

For starters, the OP is proposing a multiplier that isn't mentioned within the verse. No direct statements whatsoever.


While the page itself makes specific mention of "multiple characters", the issue still stands that making a combination attack does not equal the sum unless there's specific evidence for it. Which in this case it has zero of. Seeing how it has no direct statements, and no evidence for the multiplier, I'm gonna disagree with the thread completely due to the standards of the Multiplier page.

Would them "exploding together" count as evidence

 

[Nierre]

Not really the point?

Would them "exploding together" count as evidence

Not really.

I would think of "specific evidence" as something like a Cooperation Ninjutsu or a Unison Raid from Fairy Tail

 

[Godernet]

abilities that are stated to be the combination/fusion of two powers or all the energy of two individuals on a focused area would be evidence.

an example would be the 5 Bijuu vs Kurama, they all pooled their chakra into a single energy ball creating something far greater than their individual Bijuu Bomb yields.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

abilities that are stated to be the combination/fusion of two powers or all the energy of two individuals on a focused area would be evidence.

an example would be the 5 Bijuu vs Kurama, they all pooled their chakra into a single energy ball creating something far greater than their individual Bijuu Bomb yields.

Would the resulting explosion then not be considered the sum of Kurama’s TBB and the Combined TBB?

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

If the issue is Juubito tanking it, i think this one can help
Obito thought Ten Tails would die due to Juubi Bomb:

And he teleported himself to Kamui Dimension before Ten Tails' 3rd Transformation:

So he didn't see Ten Tails Tanked the Juubi Bomb:

So i believe the reason why he made a TSB shield around himself was that he didn't know that Ten Tails can tank Juubi Bomb.

 

[Damage3245]

Obito thought Ten Tails would die due to Juubi Bomb:

Well - he didn't think it would die - he thought it would just get hurt off of the Biju Bomb which is why he had Ten-Tails wrap itself up in its own tails.