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Itachi doesn't scale to Jiraiya.
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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)
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Scaling off Cursed Mark, 1 tail is 10x multiplier.
I guess these are all good.
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Can we actually scale amps to other multipliers? Just purely asking if that's allowed on the wiki, not arguing about whether its logically sound or not.
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That's a good point. I'm not sure if anything is stated about that on the Multipliers page.
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It would be confusing for other forms of Naruto like w/ more tails. Me personally, I'd give 1 tail Naruto 10x from base or from KN0, but I wouldn't scale that to other forms.
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We definitely wouldn’t be giving every additional tail another 10x. Just for KN1.
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KN1 would be over 10x KN0, since we have KN0 = Base Sasuke (Retrieval Arc) and CS2 is over 10x base.
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Most jinchūriki have only been seen to enter a Version 2 state with the same number of tails as their corresponding beast. Kinkaku, and by extension Ginkaku, represent one exception in that not only do they not have a full set of nine tails, but one tail remains far longer than all the others. Naruto is also an exception, for he has only been seen in a Version 2 state with four and six tails (and seven tails in the anime). Unlike how the number of tails in Version 1 can measure the jinchūriki's strength, there is no observable correlation between the number of Naruto's Version 2 tails and his destructive capabilities. Likewise, although all jinchūriki gain unique, heightened abilities that bring them even closer to their corresponding beast.
- Source, (not canon) fandom. Take it how you will.
- Source, (not canon) fandom. Take it how you will.
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Unless they have a source on that statement, I wouldn’t take it as meaning anything.
Especially when KN4’s Bijuudama was (apparently) calced at 7-A while KN6’s is High 7-A.
Especially when KN4’s Bijuudama was (apparently) calced at 7-A while KN6’s is High 7-A.
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16 Pages? Geez you guys love talking...
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I'm neutral on it, I just wanted to show another way of taking it. There's no statement of it except when Sakura says the chakra feels "just like that day". Take it how you will.
KN6 had more acceleration from Universal Pull (F = M*A, if it accelerates faster, it has more force, and then more energy) and didn't have any obstacles except its target.
I say it's possible because again, Naruto is the only Jinchuriki shown (not psuedo jinchuriki like Gin&Kinkak) who had a fluctuating amount of tails (1, 3, 4, 6, and 8) in the version states, so it's weird.
It's possible he wasn't. Pain said that he dug out of the Chibaku Tensei, not a strength feat necessarily since he had enough time. We see Naruto was at the edge of it, so it technically wouldn't be hard to dig out.
KN4's was also an energy wave instead of a straight explosion that first exploded a little bit in his mouth, then was blocked by 3 Rashomons, drastically lowering its power. We know it's power is drastically reduced since Orochimaru says that the bijuudama by itself would killed him, just based on the density, but it didn't.
KN6 had more acceleration from Universal Pull (F = M*A, if it accelerates faster, it has more force, and then more energy) and didn't have any obstacles except its target.
I say it's possible because again, Naruto is the only Jinchuriki shown (not psuedo jinchuriki like Gin&Kinkak) who had a fluctuating amount of tails (1, 3, 4, 6, and 8) in the version states, so it's weird.
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we are not going to use LN multipliers?
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The Sakura Hiden multiplier was for a full cloak of nine tails. That wouldn’t scale to KN0-KN8.
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So the previous "multi continental" from the fight against Juubito is being removed? For what reasons (just curious)?
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Most of us have agreed not the scale them to Juubito. Whether for the reason of him being weak to Senjutsu or something else.
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Understood.
That's crazy though, the jump from country to moon+ cause of a new sage mode and a new type of chakra. Wow.
We need to sum up all of the revisions we have so far, I know for a fact no one is gonna go through 16 pages mid revisions.
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This is a good idea, once we figure out scaling the BoS characters (and I edit my sandbox with the revisions accordingly), we can do that.
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Also, I noticed you put the 5x multiplier for each gate, which was from a previous thread that I agree with. I saw something a while back about one of the gates I wanted to note.
It says that Lee's Forward Lotus is a dozens of times multiplier. So should his speed and AP have a minimum 24x boost, at least for that technique?
It says that Lee's Forward Lotus is a dozens of times multiplier. So should his speed and AP have a minimum 24x boost, at least for that technique?
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kn8 fought against CT gravitational pull so to dig out from CT naruto had to overcome CT gravitational pull no?
yes
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It doesn't say that his speed will increase by a corresponding amount. And I'm pretty sure that is referring to the Eight Gates overall.
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We currently have the First Gate at 5x, although that does make it seem more like 24x.
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The gravitational pull stopped at a certain point, or else there would still be rocks coming up after it compressed into a circle.
That makes sense, we can refute the speed portion then.
The overall gates does make sense as well, but we know the forward lotus is much stronger than the regular attacks from Lee.
Lee's kicks just propelled Gaara into the air, didn't show any dramatic cracks into the armor, but the forward lotus completely destroyed the face portion of the armor.
Even if the 24x is refuted, which I understand (24x is a large ass amount, and that is a vague statement to be honest), at least "higher with Forward Lotus" should be put in his profile.
Yeah I'm fine w/ first gate at 5x, but the specific Lotus move should have higher AP. That wouldn't scale to anyone else (or Lee's durability) though since we can't scale it to Lee's dura (as Lee moved out of the way before he hit the ground) and such, but for me, I'm personally in favor for a "higher with Forward Lotus".
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Yes, we know. He’d still only scale to Pain’s weakest tier with all six Paths active.
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I think it's important to determine once and for all what the BoS characters will scale to before discussing the multipliers (Ik this is a multipliers thread lol, but hear me out), because we currently don't even have the values that the potential multipliers would multiply.
So we need to reach a consensus on that.
So we need to reach a consensus on that.
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It’s either gonna be 13.5 megatons (Rain Tiger at Will calc) or 38.9 megatons (Jiraiya’s Rasengan calc).
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If that was the reason then that's definitely not enough justification tbh.
He wasn't "weak" to Senjustu, it just countered his invulnerability to normal Chakra, he's was basically nature energy at that point. I mean........that basically implies Senjustu made Senjustu weak.
That makes no sense based on what we saw.
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We also know that he was holding back to an Unknown degree, because it was stated he was "testing and pushing" Naruto Then he got Talk no Jutsu'd. There's more reasons why the characters scaling to Juubito is extremely unreliable, nonsensical, and problematic that I'd love to highlight later, but for now let's just focus on finalizing the BoS scaling and finish discussing the multipliers. I think the thread has been set back quite a bit, so we need to start finishing up what we can before making a small recap and updating the Sandbox like Tracer said.
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Rain Tiger at Will should scale to all the Pains right? Since it's a passive-ish ability. If so then I guess we can start determining who scales to Pain's lower end, and go from there.
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Yeah, it scales to all the Pains. But Sage Jiraiya also scales to Pain’s lower end, so that’s why we have to actually decide between the RTaW or the Rasengan calc.
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Didn't base Naruto have a taijutsu standoff with Pain?
From what I know, base Naruto didn't get stronger over time for most of the series.
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Yeah, base Naruto would scale to Pain’s lower end as well. He also scales to Kakashi, who could damage the Asura Path and survive a Shinra Tensei.
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I mean he was running away, then held him off briefly before turning to SM. All this would mean is that base Naruto scales to Pain's physical lower end (7-B probably). Which is consistent because Kakashi does as well, and Naruto scales to him as well.
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But... the Rain Tiger at Will isn't a physical feat. Why would we scale Pain's Taijutsu to it?
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