They should though....just cause they discover a weakness doesn’t me they destroy him with a simple SM. Let’s not forget that they had to use a big jutsu + combination to to even with again Juubito
That's like telling kid Naruto to transform into Kakashi, then Kakashi temporarily "gives him" a jutsu, and cause it doesn't work at full strength, it means the same principle works with clones. No.
For some reason, his Bijuu was an idiot. Ao's Byakugan broke him out in Sasuke Shinden.
Then you put that as a multiplier for his weakest Kurama enhanced form. And no,
He specifically said Yamato. We're gonna act like he didn't say Yamato? And the fact that Yamato came the page after says a lot. Yamato states he can suppress chakra. Again, he suppressed Naruto's chakra.
We see one hand on the rasengan, his tail smacking away one of the arms, and his other hand in a ball.
He was on the defensive the entire time... they didn't touch him once, they kept hitting the truthseeking orb.
You mean at the final valley in the last fight? Where Sasuke used a regular chidori against a Psuedo Juubi-Jin w/ Six Paths Senjutsu which allows it's users to be immune to ninjutsu?
Him in base SPSM w/ a rasenshuriken put Madara on his ass.
Explain how it's an outlier. Obito was hit by every ninjutsu in the book and was fine. He gets hit with one Senjutsu technique and then he protects himself for the rest of the fight. His body was not touched against SKCM Naruto or CMSusanoo Sasuke.
I understood.
Because it’s for the Kyuubi’s chakra.
Yeah no, Yamato says the Nine-Tails’ chakra in both of those scans, not Naruto’s chakra.
And in one of the scans you gave earlier, Yamato says that he can’t forcibly supress the Nine-Tails chakra. “Yes, I have power... but nowhere near enough to forcibly suppress the Nine-Tails chakra.” So explain that. Even ignoring that, the fact that Yamato chose to use the word “completely,” implies that the Kyuubi’s chakra was already being somewhat suppressed.
Don’t complain about “lazy scaling” when it’s something that is 100% allowed on the site.
It's not a multiplier. That's the sum of all of Kurama's chakra. Kurama has 96x Kakashi's amount, Naruto has 4. When they collaborate, it's 100x. Not a small jinchuriki mode when he gets a little bit or leakage, the sum of all of it, so those Jinchuriki modes don't count. The fact that you threw a 25x multiplier on his minimum amped form from a vague ass statement of "100x chakra" is actually hilarious.
Yeah, did Kakashi not say when Yamato is suppressing Kurama's chakra? So it's consistent.
Yes, forcibly, like when Kurama is going rampage and he needs to force him to calm down. When Naruto is sleeping, why would he forcibly suppress it?
Yeah, when he takes him out of 4 tails and suppresses its chakra not even 5 chapters earlier.
Kakashi has absolutely no way of knowing how much Naruto and Kurama collaborating would be when that has literally never happened at that point in the series and only became a thing with KCM2.
The jinchūriki modes isn’t a “little bit of leakage,” Naruto says he’s gotten that all his life. Unless I’ve been reading a different manga, Naruto hasn’t been in KN0 his whole life. The fact that you choose now to act like “this is so stupid and never should’ve been a thing” despite the fact that we discussed this for literal hours yesterday is hilarious. There a reason you didn’t bring any of this up yesterday, hm?
Yes, and you said Naruto’s chakra. I was correcting your claim.
Yamato: “I’m going to completely suppress the Nine-Tails chakra.”
Mm, no, it’s more like Naruto himself doing it. Which Yamato himself says.
Kurama has way more than 100x chakra of Kakashi. KCM2 Naruto gave 20000 shinobi triple the amount of chakra that Kakashi has, and still had enough left to fight. So Kurama has at least 60000 more times chakra than Kakashi.
He also has fast stamina/Chakra Regen. Remember when Naruto ran out of Chakra and Kurama basically went "Here you go buddy" and gave him more Chakra?
Count Kurama, count Naruto, add them together. That simple. You’re thinking too hard.
Meant to say “not the little jinchuriki modes or when he gets a little bit of leakage.
“I’ll bring it up when I get to my computer, then I got to my computer this morning and brought it up. I’ve already said 25x for his minimum mode is dumb many times.
Quote it for me please.
You don’t understand the difference between fully and forcibly. Forcibly is when it’s pushing back and he needs to shut it down. Completely means all together. He did it all together, can’t do it forcibly. If I stop a dam of water before it starts moving, I’m completely stopping it. If it’s moving against me, that’s forcibly. Your argument doesn’t even mean anything
Didn’t some of us say yesterday that Naruto suppressed it himself, and now you want to use it for your benefit?
Well the 1000x was for his Justu's, Kido only got a 100x amp
It wasn’t 20000, most of them died. That looked like a couple hundred, 2k at most.
That makes more sense, yet it’s not what’s said so UwU
Then why didn’t you, I dunno, say to wait before discussing how it changes the scaling?
Okay.
There you go.
Iirc, I didn’t say anything against Naruto suppressing it himself so...
That would mean that V2 Naruto would be x100 stronger than base and his TBB be x10 stronger than it's normal attacks...I think that's how it works
Except this technique is nothing like the Shadow clone Jutsu. We were told specifically that because the "sacrifices" were merely allotted 30% of their respective chakras, they were limited in terms of strength and the Jutsu they could use. The statement is pretty clear cut.
This shouldn't apply to V2 Naruto as he never display 9 tails in that mode. At best KCM could have than much of an amp.
Yup pretty much.
It could maybe apply to KCM, but that’s it.
1. The Bijuu are being split into two Keys, Pre-War Arc and War Arc. Pre-War Arc Bijuu are scaling to 7-A or whatever or whoever they scale to while War Arc are 6-C and whatever or whoever their physicals scale to.
if this is true then we have some hope lol
Couple hundred? Hahahaha let me debunk you on that. There was 80000 shinobi at the start of the war divided into 5 divisions of 16000 shinobi. After the first day of battle they lost half of their men so thats 40000 left. After the first day the reanimation jutsu gets dispelled and Gaaras divison loses its entire division to Madara. So 40000-16000 = 24000. And lets say other divisions lost a few thousand on the second day, thats beetween 10000 and 20000 left who went on to help against the Ten Tails.
KN1 has 10x multipliers since its make base naruto = cm2 sasuke
and Couple hundred fodder can make kaguya tier-4 lol
Like I said already, the degree of "effectiveness" varies from Jutsu to Jutsu. The restraints were getting broken, albeit with a lot of effort, but Yamato's next Jutsu immediately suppressed Naruto. So clearly they're not all equivalent in terms of "Bijuu suppression".
It's actually over x10 since it made Naruto as strong as CSM 2 Sasuke who in base was beating down KN0/Vermilion Naruto
I'm not saying that because he's stronger than KN3, then he's comparable to KN4. I'm saying that because he's considered much stronger than KN3, then if my scaling is accepted it wouldn't result in any inconsistencies. It's basically just extra support. It has nothing to do with my actual argument.
I could agree on CM2 Sasuke being comparable to KN4 Naruto, but I don't think that Sasuke is at that level in his base form
Care to elaborate?
Uh, you can’t possibly claim that since we didn’t see how Jiraiya’s encounter with KN4 went down. We don’t even know how old Naruto was at the time. All we know is that it brought Jiraiya near death, just like Tsunade did during the Second Shinobi World War.
We see it in the anime. Jiraiya leaps at him with a sealing tag and Naruto swipes at him and sends him flying, and Jiraiya was done.
