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Which one? V2 scaling to KCM or BM scaling to it?
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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)
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BM. They should be High 7-A on a super lowball w/ High 7-A+ as the preferred and safer minimum.
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Can someone calculate the density of bijuudamas? It could help quantify the non exploding bijuudama. I have the volume for Bee's bijuudama done, I need to do it for the other bijuu and the Juubi's big one that Bee pushed back.
Maybe when Naruto was sinking in 4 tails mode? Can someone quantify that?
I wanted to try F = MA w/ that, since it doesn't have explosive properties, just seems like a dense and huge projectile.
Maybe when Naruto was sinking in 4 tails mode? Can someone quantify that?
I wanted to try F = MA w/ that, since it doesn't have explosive properties, just seems like a dense and huge projectile.
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Do we take into account that Orochimaru thought that even a tiny Biju Bomb from 4-Tails Naruto could kill him?
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I don’t think that really adds anything. (Weakened) Orochimaru gets his tier from scaling to KN4, not vice-versa.
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That could count as a product of the explosion, and he does refer to the density w/ that as well, so possibly.
It's AP should be around Mountain+ ish, its mass should be borderline Naruto's lifting strength w/ whatever multipliers there are for 4 tails.
And I would need a speed, via anime it's subsonic, but I feel like that would give extremely low results.
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Alright, so final tiers:
- Edo Jinchūriki (BM): At least High 7-A+ (Son Gokū had a prolonged physical struggle with KCM Naruto)
- KCM2 Naruto: 6-C (Effortlessly slapped away Bijuudama from the Bijuu Mode Edo Jinchūriki)
- BSM Naruto: High 6-C (His Bijuudama overpowered the five combined ones)
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There is no density for chakra. I already tried to find it when I was calcing Toneri's LS with his sword that cut the moon in half.
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First and Third are perfect, the 2nd one is still w/ the assumption that non exploded bijuudamas are High 7-A+.
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For bijuudamas there is clear density for chakra, they note it god knows how many times.
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Because the Bijuudama is the ultimate jinchūriki weapon, so it would be stronger than their physicals. Plus KCM2 is far superior to KCM, so it would upscale anyways.
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It's said to be dense, but to my knowledge that's all we get.
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The Bijuudama's true danger is when it's exploded. I don't think they mean the battering ram bijuudama, which has a huge difference from their 6-C Bijuudamas.
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Btw with this new scaling, Second War Sannin, Hanzō, Hokage Tsunade and weakened Oro would be High 7-A.
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4 tails Naruto could barely hold it while it was tiny, and it was smaller than its' head and Orochimaru confirmed it would've killed him.
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This was regular BM Naruto, not BSM.
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Weakened Orochimaru? Like against 4 tails?
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In the Sakura hidden novel, she fights an anbu with nine tails. He hits her with a TBB ball which almost takes her out and do big damage to part of the forest. We could just scale them to whatever New Era Sakura would be.
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I know, that still doesn't tell us how dense it is.
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Yeah. He’s currently ‘At least 7-C, possibly 7-A’ in the sandbox for staggering KN4.
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I mean, that’s fair, but the Bijuudama still does damage without exploding. Either way, KCM2 would end up at 6-C for being vastly stronger than KCM1.
You're right, that’s my bad.
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Was it the explosion that almost took her out? Or was it just the projectile. I didn't get to read the Hiden Novel for Sakura
True.
These are all assumptions, but
A. It's mass for a small one should be 4 tails' Naruto's max lifting strength,
B. It's mass for a juubi one should be Gyuki's max lifting strength,
C. It's mass for Kurama's lifting strength (under, since he held it with ease) times a certain acceleration should be wood dragons' dura.
Finding the volume for them are relatively easy, but we just need its acceleration for us to find the force applied and the energy.
That makes sense. Is KCM1 High 7-A+ right now and for what reason? I'm just curious, is it for being stronger than Sage Mode?
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It was just the projectile that hit her side. For the TBB you should talk to some calc members to see what they think.
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Are you serious -_-
Alright, I hope someone can work with that
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I'll look for the quote from the novel.
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He's stronger than SM, had a struggle with Son Goku, fought some of the V2 Jinchūriki, and should probably be above KN6. I think that's mostly why.
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It’s from the new scaling with the 25x multiplier. Sage Mode would be High 7-A+ upscaling from KN4, and KCM is stronger than KN6, which is stronger than SM (which is only 1.6x away from baseline 6-C and you only need a 1.5x difference to upscale, as a reminder). So KCM is ‘At least High 7-A+’ with the new scaling and anything that’s significantly stronger is 6-C (but at baseline).
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Naruto said that he was stronger than he was against Pain, which would definitely include KN6. It being above KN8 is more debatable, but doesn’t change much.
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Well, it's possible, but I feel like it's weird that he knows how strong he was in these forms at all, since he wasn't really "conscious" and didn't have any recollection of his time in those states. That's why I always kinda assumed he was talking about SM in particular.
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That is fair, but it doesn’t really affect the scaling in any way. He’d be definitively above Sage Mode, at least.
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Yeah, that's fair. I agree.
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So from this new 25x multiplier we’ve got, the scaling changes are:
KN4 Naruto: High 7-A. Scales to Second War Tsunade and Orochimaru, Jiraiya (possibly), Hanzō, Weakened Tsunade and Orochimaru (possibly), Hokage Tsunade and Konoha Crush Orochimaru.
Sage Mode and KN6 Naruto: High 7-A+. Scales to full power Pain.
KCM Naruto: At least High 7-A+. Scales to Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato, BM Edo Jinchūriki (physically), 100H Sakura, Gyūki (physically).
KCM2 Naruto: 6-C. Scales to Edo Madara.
The Five Kage are in a weird place where they could be either ‘At least High 7-A+‘ or 6-C, so suggestions on that would be great. Or they could just be ‘At least High 7-A+, possibly 6-C’
KN4 Naruto: High 7-A. Scales to Second War Tsunade and Orochimaru, Jiraiya (possibly), Hanzō, Weakened Tsunade and Orochimaru (possibly), Hokage Tsunade and Konoha Crush Orochimaru.
Sage Mode and KN6 Naruto: High 7-A+. Scales to full power Pain.
KCM Naruto: At least High 7-A+. Scales to Edo Itachi, Edo Nagato, BM Edo Jinchūriki (physically), 100H Sakura, Gyūki (physically).
KCM2 Naruto: 6-C. Scales to Edo Madara.
The Five Kage are in a weird place where they could be either ‘At least High 7-A+‘ or 6-C, so suggestions on that would be great. Or they could just be ‘At least High 7-A+, possibly 6-C’
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Don't forget that Obito scales to KCM2 Naruto.
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Yeah, I wasn’t listing everyone that scales, just whoever came to mind at the moment (or who was necessary for the scaling chain).
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KN4 Naruto is being overrated here. His Biju Bomb has only been calced to be 7-A from what I recall.
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He’s really not though? Base Naruto is 100 megatons, multiply that by 25 and you get 2.5 gigatons. That’s High 7-A. And not even that far above 7-A.
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- Stronger than Sage Mode is most likely for AP, Naruto is purely AP no hax so that works.
- I'd put the struggle with Son Goku as a lifting strength feat tbh.
- Those V2 Jinchurikis were whooping his ass, same V2 Jinchurikis were getting held off by 6th Gate Guy (who had issues with base 30% Kisame).
- KN6 has no backing, we can't use that. Naruto said he was stronger than he was back then, but he didn't even know what was going on when he was rampaging.
- That 25x multiplier feels so wrong, Idky it just does.
- How would it work for the other Jinchuriki modes (V1 and 2)?
- Kakashi has seen Naruto in KN0 and KN1. which one was he speaking for? He said w/out Yamato suppressing Kurama's chakra it should be 100x more, but what about when Yamato's not suppressing it and not going crazy? What's that?
- Is KCM a 25 multiplier too?
- He's definitely stronger than Sage Mode, that's for sure.
- We don't know if KCM is strong than KN6, that has no backing.
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Naruto doesn't even know how strong he was when he was in KN6. That doesn't work.
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