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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)

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LordTracer said:
That’s fair, but the Juubi is also just fast.

And like I said, Kokoū was right in front of Gyūki and he was looking in the same direction as him. The only way Gyūki wouldn’t have noticed is if his eyes were closed.
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Ehh, probably. He was talking to Naruto initially too. I'm not saying that he just got hit out of nowhere, I just mean that when he noticed it, it was too late to do anything.
 
KingTempest said:
Ehh, probably. He was talking to Naruto initially too. I'm not saying that he just got hit out of nowhere, I just mean that when he noticed it, it was too late to do anything.
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I’d personally say that Gyūki knew it was coming, but Kokuō was just faster than him. I guess it’s up to personal interpretation and neither of us can really be right here.
 
Random question, but can Kakashi’s statement of the Kyuubi chakra being a 4x multiplier on Naruto’s normal chakra be used?

Iirc, he said that Naruto with the Kyuubi chakra suppressed has 25x more chakra than him, but without the suppression, it would be more like 100x.
 
Wait nvm, I misremembered. Naruto with the Kyuubi chakra suppressed has 4x the chakra of Kakashi, and with it un-supressed, he has 100x more.
 
LordTracer said:
Wait nvm, I misremembered. Naruto with the Kyuubi chakra suppressed has 4x the chakra of Kakashi, and with it un-supressed, he has 100x more.
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So assuming that more chakra = more AP. War Arc Naruto will be 25x stronger than when fighting Pain. Which means base War Arc Naruto is High 7-A+, with SM and KCM scaling to 6-C. Which will also mean that EMS Sasuke, The Tailed Beasts and possibly the Five Kage and Sakura all scaling to 6-C.

But I digress. That's based on the assumption that a shinobi with 2x more chakra is 2x stronger, which likely isn't true (or at least most of the time.)
 
Chakra is never 1:1 with power, speed, strength, AP, or any of the sort until stated.

Chakra efficiency is a thing. Kakashi has average amounts of chakra but he uses it efficiently. Naruto's own reserves is 100x larger but he has trash efficiency.
 
No, Yamato was suppressing the Kyuubi chakra, so Naruto with just his own chakra has 4x as much as Kakashi, but Kurama makes it 100x.

So like, I guess that’d make KN0/KN1 a 25x multiplier and the extra tails/KCM are even bigger (but unknown) multipliers?
 
I mean Naruto jumped from 8-B (I guess? I forgot how strong LoW Base Naruto is) to 7-C so definitely way more than 25x lmao.

But of course multipliers doesn't always work like that.
 
Padaruyos said:
I mean Naruto jumped from 8-B (I guess? I forgot how strong LoW Base Naruto is) to 7-C so definitely way more than 25x lmao.
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He’s 8-B, but there’s no justification and he beat Mizuki, who’s 8-A. So...
 
Also 7-C is getting nuked lol. The calc that they currently scale to is wrong
 
But this low-key works, hold on. Mizuki scales to 427.01 tons, according to his profile. Naruto beat him into the dirt (albeit with a bunch of clones), so he should scale. Multiply that by 25x, you get 10,675.25 tons. That’s equivalent to 10.67525 kilotons. Which is 7-C.
 
Kakashi only said the Kyuubi’s chakra, so I don’t see any reason to assume he meant a specific amount of tails.
 
Wait is Kakashi talking about Naruto's total (him+Kurama) chakra capacity or about Kurama slowly mixing his chakra with Naruto making him stronger?
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Which Part 1 Profiles currently scale to that calc?
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KN0 Naruto, Haku, Zabuza, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Kurenai and Anko have it mentioned on their profiles but they don’t actually scale to it, literally every 7-C we have currently scales to that.
 
Padaruyos said:
Wait is Kakashi talking about Naruto's total (him+Kurama) chakra capacity or about Kurama slowly mixing his chakra with Naruto making him stronger?
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I’m pretty sure he means:
Naruto’s chakra alone = 4x
Kurama + Naruto = 100x
 
Padaruyos said:
Wait is Kakashi talking about Naruto's total (him+Kurama) chakra capacity or about Kurama slowly mixing his chakra with Naruto making him stronger?
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He's talking about his reserves/capacity.
Kakashi says he has average chakra reserves, doesn't mean he has average strength. Plus at that time, I'm pretty sure Naruto still didn't have good chakra control, so he was just wasting a lot of chakra.
 
LordTracer said:
KN0 Naruto, Haku, Zabuza, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Kurenai and Anko have it mentioned on their profiles but they don’t actually scale to it, literally every 7-C we have currently scales to that.
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I thought that Calc was scrapped a long time ago and that the 7-Cs were scaling to Gaara's Calc or Baseline from CS1 Sasuke

This was before the current CRT for Part 1 Profiles back when mostly everyone scaled to Low 7-C.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
I thought that Calc was scrapped a long time ago and that the 7-Cs were scaling to Gaara's Calc or Baseline from CS1 Sasuke

This was before the current CRT for Part 1 Profiles back when mostly everyone scaled to Low 7-C.
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Nope, they’re still scaling to it. We’ll have to change that at some point during this revision.
 
Kurama's chakra is more & stronger than Kakashi's, so 1 unit of chakra for Kurama could be like 10 for Kakashi.

He's referring to Naruto's amount of chakra plus the small amounts that leak out through the seal. Kurama mode via databook allows Naruto to access all of Kurama's chakra, why would it be like that if it was already like that before?
 
KingTempest said:
He's referring to Naruto's amount of chakra plus the small amounts that leak out through the seal. Kurama mode via databook allows Naruto to access all of Kurama's chakra, why would it be like that if it was already like that before?
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By Kurama Mode, do you mean the avatar?

And it’s not like Kakashi means Naruto with literally all of Kurama’s chakra, it’s Naruto when he can access the Kyuubi chakra/when it isn’t suppressed, like KN0 and the tailed cloaks.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
WTF! The 7-Cs including Part 2 Choji all scale to a calc that's not even being used by Part 1 Choji.
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Yep... which is why we need to change that lol.

We very briefly discussed that earlier in the thread, but we didn’t come to any conclusions.
 
Iirc, the proposals were either:

A. Scale the jōnin above the Sound Four (At least 8-A, likely higher)

Or

B. Scale the elites of the jōnin (the likes of Kage bodyguards, Kage candidates, the Konoha 12’s sensei) to Kitsuchi’s calc. (7-C-Low 7-B)
 
I think I heard somewhere that Naruto's chakra is constantly suppressing Kurama, which as a result takes a LOT of his chakra and disturbs Naruto's chakra control. Is this true?
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Currently, isn't the reason that some of the Part 1 Profiles are 7-C is for upscaling from KN0 Naruto's Calc?
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That’s one of the reasons why KN0 Naruto is 7-C now, but before that, the only people that upscaled from that were CS1 Sasuke and CS1 Kimimaro. Nobody else.
 
LordTracer said:
By Kurama Mode, do you mean the avatar?

And it’s not like Kakashi means Naruto with literally all of Kurama’s chakra, it’s Naruto when he can access the Kyuubi chakra/when it isn’t suppressed, like KN0 and the tailed cloaks.
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KCM2 in general, the Avatar is Bijuu Mode. The original name for KCM2 was Kurama mode, but the fandom threw KCM2 there.

And @Padaruyos look here
 
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