Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)

[OneBleachHurricane]

Their biologies are clearly different, but they're clearly not made out of chakra.

Except when your name is Kurama and you get paired up with the main character

 

[Damage3245]

@KingTempest; I agree with you regarding the Biju's Striking Strength.

 

[Metalija]

You guys need to keep in mind that Kurama was holding back against the Bijuu, because he didn't want to hurt them, he just wanted to remove their rods.

 

[LordTracer]

So it's horns scale over its durability, which by half the people here, scale to (if not above) the bijuudama?

I don’t know where you’re getting it scaling above the Bijuudama from. In fact, a lot of people said it would backscale from the Bijuudama.

5 tails' horns > 8 tails durability > 8 tails bijuudama?

His dura doesn’t scale above the Bijuudama, your point is already flawed.

But the bijuudama is the ultimate jinchuriki jutsu right?

According to Naruto, who didn’t even know what a Bijuudama was, as stated in the same damn page. So using that statement is iffy at best.

Plus no one considered my argument that it was a small bijuudama right?
Honestly, it's either an outlier or Bee was offguard, which makes sense since he was preoccupied by the V2 demons.

How was he off-guard when he SAW the Bijuudama come back towards him? And it wasn’t small, once the Juubi flicks it back, we see that it is roughly the same size as head, and some panels even make it look bigger.

He says they need to retreat and regroup before he got hit by the bijuu mode horn handling goof. He's scared of them in V2 form.

You’re literally lying, in the panel right above that, he says, and I quote; “This is not good...! I didn’t think they could undergo Bijuu transformation in their current state!” Stop lying, please. This isn’t the first time you’ve done this.

Gyuki says his hand is melting. Gyuki, who knows his body more than anyone else, says the hand is melting, after Bee screams OW. Colored version. Bijuu mode Naruto got his hand melted off by the same person.

And then we see Gyūki’s hand and it’s only slightly bruised. And it doesn’t look like the Kurama avatar is melting at all. Also Saiken‘s gas and liquid is corrosive, and someone earlier mentioned that would count as dura negation, unlike lava.

I asked why should that give him significantly higher AP?
If 2 people punch someone and they survive it, it doesn't mean that they can significantly scale above

If anything, we don't even know he did it at the same time. From what I saw, he just dashed there and hit them all while he was coming, hence his pathway past the bijuudamas.

Because he effortlessly slapped them away? Obviously? It should be pretty obvious why his AP is significantly higher if he casually slaps five of them away.

All five Bijuudama flew away and hit the mountains at the same time. If he’d hit them at different times, they would’ve exploded consecutively, would they not?

You haven't quantified the AP for the unexploded bijuudama. Your first one was that it was equal to the explosion which we agreed is not the case, then you said "It shouldn't be that far down" with no basis and everyone agreed because of powerscaling bs logic.

Now you’re just lying, again. I explained why it shouldn’t be that far down. Gyūki survives his own Bijuudama. Other Bijuu can harm him with their physical strikes. Don’t lie and claim I have no basis, thanks.

Also I’ve seen you say the Bijuudama should be 7-A or 7-A+, now that is completely unfounded. We don’t even have 7-A+ calcs anymore, and even if it was Tier 7, it would be High 7-A and High 7-A+. Unless you just meant those tiers and didn’t specify properly, I need to know where the hell 7-A/7-A+ is coming from before this discussion continues.

 

[BlackeJan]

Um....if Gyuki can rank his TBB then he should stay at the tier he is in general, which in turns makes the same for everyone else and BM Naruto. Tailed Beast, BM Naruto, Madara should just stay the same tier as they are currently

 

[Damage3245]

Technically speaking the Biju Bomb is an omnidirectional explosion, so I doubt that the Eight-Tails was hit by more than half the blast, and he was still badly damaged. I don't think we should just say his Durability = Full rating of the Biju Bomb.

 

[LordTracer]

I’ve heard that if you are in the epicenter of an explosion (like Gyūki was), you scale to the full yield of it.

 

[KingTempest]

I don’t know where you’re getting it scaling above the Bijuudama from. In fact, a lot of people said it would backscale from the Bijuudama.
His dura doesn't scale above the Bijuudama, your point is already flawed.

I guess it should be relative, since by everybody's words here, "he was damaged already, tired, and "low on chakra" and tanked his bijuudama", so yeah.
I like how in this entire reply you didn't consider the fact that it could've been an outlier.

According to Naruto, who didn’t even know what a Bijuudama was, as stated in the same damn page. So using that statement is iffy at best.

If someone says I'm gonna give you a surprise, then later they say what the surprise is and you don't know what it is, does that cancel it?
Bee obviously said "I'm gonna teach you the ultimate jinchuriki move", hence him a few chapters back trying to go bijuu mode. Why would Naruto even SAY THAT if that wasn't the case.
Nvm, Killer B confirms it's the ultimate jinchuriki jutsu, so I really don't care.

How was he off-guard when he SAW the Bijuudama come back towards him? And it wasn’t small, once the Juubi flicks it back, we see that it is roughly the same size as head, and some panels even make it look bigger.

Off guard against the bijuu with the horns, not the bijuudama. I ended the sentence with "which makes sense since he was preoccupied by the V2 demons." signifying Kukou hurt him, since Kukou hurt him while he was preoccupied by the V2 Jinchuriki.

You’re literally lying, in the panel right above that, he says, and I quote; “This is not good...! I didn’t think they could undergo Bijuu transformation in their current state!” Stop lying, please. This isn’t the first time you’ve done this.

Lying means that I'm saying something that is false. You said I'm lying, then noted what I said in the work of fiction, hence it being real. That's not lying.
Look at the steam coming off of his hands.
Do you know how much time he had to say that? Why would he be surprised that they can transform only when they're attacking him.

And then we see Gyūki’s hand and it’s only slightly bruised. And it doesn’t look like the Kurama avatar is melting at all. Also Saiken‘s gas and liquid is corrosive, and someone earlier mentioned that would count as dura negation, unlike lava.

Explain the smoke from his hands.
Ok.
Go to my colored scans in my other arguments w/OneBleachHurricane above and look at the melting in the colored scans.
WHEN DID THEY SAY IT'S DURA NEGATION???
Anyways, Saiken held Kurama's hand inside of his mouth and Naruto couldn't get it out before he almost got shat on by the rolling Isobu, so that's a strength feat for Saiken since Naruto couldn't pull his hand out.

Because he effortlessly slapped them away? Obviously? It should be pretty obvious why his AP is significantly higher if he casually slaps five of them away.

All five Bijuudama flew away and hit the mountains at the same time. If he’d hit them at different times, they would’ve exploded consecutively, would they not?

You didn't even see how he DID IT.
Kakashi said "so fast" because he couldn't even see how he did it.
They weren't simultaneous, they were just so fast that it seemed like it was.
Bee tells Naruto that Kakashi and Guy need help, Naruto says yeah, he uses body flicker (hence the pathway and the crash) and in his path (deliberately curved path) he comes and smacks every bijuudama in his way. You act like Naruto stretched his limbs and smacked them all away at once with a super limb.

Now you’re just lying, again. I explained why it shouldn’t be that far down. Gyūki survives his own Bijuudama. Other Bijuu can harm him with their physical strikes. Don’t lie and claim I have no basis, thanks.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NON EXPLODING BIJUUDAMA THAT NARUTO REFLECTED. The first SENTENCE is "You haven't quantified the AP for the unexploded bijuudama." Why in the HELL would I be talking about Bee's dura in there? That is about Naruto's striking strength, which, you, have, not, quantified. Every time i ask you, you think I'm talking about B. I'm talking about, the non exploded, bijuudama, that, Naruto, reflected. Goddamn.

Also I’ve seen you say the Bijuudama should be 7-A or 7-A+, now that is completely unfounded. We don’t even have 7-A+ calcs anymore, and even if it was Tier 7, it would be High 7-A and High 7-A+. Unless you just meant those tiers and didn’t specify properly, I need to know where the hell 7-A/7-A+ is coming from before this discussion continues.

Read the whole thing before you reply to this one, especially the last paragraph.

The 6x baseline 6-C Bijuudamas were this big.
The now, look at the size of Bee's bijuudama here (bottom half), here (down right), and here (top half).
In the first here, the bijuudama is closer to us so its larger. In the second here, We see it after it's fired, it looks like the size of his horn. In the third here, even though Bee is close to us, it doesn't even look the size of its horn.
I forgot all about High 7-A, the tier w/ a 4x difference. Check below.

From what I see comparing the head sizes to the bijuudama, Bee's bijuudama looks 3-5 times smaller in diameter & radius than the other bijuudama. If I do the math to calculate the volume they have compared to each other, let me see.

V = 4/3 * π * r^3.

If it's the lowest, 3 times, then the volume would've been 27x a difference (3 cubed).
If they have 27x more stuff to react w/ to make the explosion (a lowball, because I know for a fact the thing that reacts to air and makes explosions aren't a 1-1 ratio), the AP for the bijuudama that Killer B hit himself with would've been 0.967037037 Gigatons, right under High 7-A and 7-A+.

So no, that BS feat that has been wanked to oblivion in this thread is not comparable to the other bijuudamas.
I know the logic behind my math is most likely wrong as hell, but nobody has justified why the hell that small ass bijuudama B hurt himself with is comparable to the 26 gigaton Bijuudamas. Not ONE PERSON HERE has answered it, tried to calc it, or has given me a good justification on why it scales to those other ones.

 

[Padaruyos]

Damage has a point. Bijuudama is an omnidirectional blast, so maybe it scales to less than the full yield. Also why does being in the epicenter of the explosion makes you scale to the full yield? If I hold a grenade and blow it up right in front of my chest, part of the explosion still doesn't hit my body doesn't it?

 

[LordTracer]

Also does being in the epicenter of the explosion makes you scale to the full yield?

I’ve seen people say this before, I dunno how true it is since I’m not a calc guy.

 

[Padaruyos]

We're arguing about the SS of the Bijuus based on whether or not the physical hit of the Bijuudama scales to their explosion right?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

WHEN DID THEY SAY IT'S DURA NEGATION???

Acid Manipulation

Frog the page it says that acids or potentially corrosive substances, in general, have the potential to ignore conventional durability.

 

[Padaruyos]

Personally I think the Bijuus striking strength is still 6-C. I mean this is mostly just assumptions but it wouldn't be too unreasonable to say that the Bijuus are 3x-4x stronger than Sage Mode Naruto.

 

[KingTempest]

@OneBleachHurricane Oof, thanks
But it says that it has the potential to
And in the case that you and Tracer are right and it didn't melt Kurama, it
A. Wouldn't be dura negation
B. Kurama has resistance to it

 

[LordTracer]

I guess it should be relative, since by everybody's words here, "he was damaged already, tired, and "low on chakra" and tanked his bijuudama", so yeah.
I like how in this entire reply you didn't consider the fact that it could've been an outlier.

It would actually slightly downscale since Gyūki was hurt, just not downscale enough to be out of 6-C. And yeah, considering how dura scaling to AP is common for, what, 99.9% of the characters on the wiki and the durability page itself mentions this, I wouldn’t assume it’s an outlier.

Nvm, Killer B confirms it's the ultimate jinchuriki jutsu, so I really don't care.

See, that’s better.

Off guard against the bijuu with the horns, not the bijuudama. I ended the sentence with "which makes sense since he was preoccupied by the V2 demons." signifying Kukou hurt him, since Kukou hurt him while he was preoccupied by the V2 Jinchuriki.

Gyūki realized that Han was transforming into Kokuō though? And he literally saw Kokuō before it charged him? Hell,

Lying means that I'm saying something that is false. You said I'm lying, then noted what I said in the work of fiction, hence it being real. That's not lying.
Look at the steam coming off of his hands.
Do you know how much time he had to say that? Why would he be surprised that they can transform only when they're attacking him.

You claimed Gyūki was scared of the V2 jinchūriki based on him saying that he and Naruto needed to retreat. However, he only claimed that after he saw Han transform into Kokuō. So yes, you are being dishonest.

And because he hadn’t seen them transform yet? What kind of question is that?

Explain the smoke from his hands.
Ok.
Go to my colored scans in my other arguments w/OneBleachHurricane above and look at the melting in the colored scans.
WHEN DID THEY SAY IT'S DURA NEGATION???
Anyways, Saiken held Kurama's hand inside of his mouth and Naruto couldn't get it out before he almost got shat on by the rolling Isobu, so that's a strength feat for Saiken since Naruto couldn't pull his hand out.

Yes, there’s smoke. And? It still doesn’t look like melting, especially not with Kurama. It just looks like his hand is covered in slime.
See the Acid Manipulation page.
I don’t see the point you’re trying to make with Saiken, I’ll be honest.

You didn't even see how he DID IT.
Kakashi said "so fast" because he couldn't even see how he did it.
They weren't simultaneous, they were just so fast that it seemed like it was.

”You didn’t see how they did it”
>Proceeds to make a claim on how Naruto did it

Bee tells Naruto that Kakashi and Guy need help, Naruto says yeah, he uses body flicker (hence the pathway and the crash) and in his path (deliberately curved path) he comes and smacks every bijuudama in his way. You act like Naruto stretched his limbs and smacked them all away at once with a super limb.

I mean, chakra arms do exist. So...

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NON EXPLODING BIJUUDAMA THAT NARUTO REFLECTED. The first SENTENCE is "You haven't quantified the AP for the unexploded bijuudama." Why in the HELL would I be talking about Bee's dura in there? That is about Naruto's striking strength, which, you, have, not, quantified. Every time i ask you, you think I'm talking about B. I'm talking about, the non exploded, bijuudama, that, Naruto, reflected. Goddamn.

First of all, calm yourself. Second of all, it’s pretty obvious that (since we treat everyone’s physicals as their weakest thing for whatever reason) that if the Bijuu have 6-C striking strength, then their Bijuudama (the strongest jinchūriki move according to your scan) would also be 6-C. Was that really so hard to figure out?

The 6x baseline 6-C Bijuudamas were this big.
The now, look at the size of Bee's bijuudama here (bottom half), here (down right), and here (top half).
In the first here, the bijuudama is closer to us so its larger. In the second here, We see it after it's fired, it looks like the size of his horn. In the third here, even though Bee is close to us, it doesn't even look the size of its horn.

Saiken, Chōmei and Isobu’s Bijuudama appear to be the same size as Gyūki’s.

You can’t use the Bijuudama being closer to us as a point against it, and then not do the same for when Gyūki is closer to us. And when the Bijuudama actually hits Gyūki, it’s about the same size as his head (like the five 6-C Bijuudama) and much bigger than his horns.

From what I see comparing the head sizes to the bijuudama, Bee's bijuudama looks 3-5 times smaller in diameter & radius than the other bijuudama. If I do the math to calculate the volume they have compared to each other, let me see.

Unless you like, actually pixel-scaled this or something, then your math is based on pure assumption. Especially when the Bijuudama is right on Gyūki, we see that it’s roughly the same size as his head.

 

[LordTracer]

And in the case that you and Tracer are right and it didn't melt Kurama, it
A. Wouldn't be dura negation

I mean, the Rasenshuriken is treated as dura negation here and the Third Raikage withstood it. So it’s not out of the question to say Kurama is just too damn strong for the acid and he kinda is, logically, like Hagoromo clearly didn’t split the Juubi into even pieces.

 

[LordTracer]

Also the TSO are treated as dura negating, and Naruto kicked one of them away iirc.

 

[Padaruyos]

Also the TSO are treated as dura negating, and Naruto kicked one of them away iirc.

Isn't that one just due to the Truth Seeking Orbs cannot dura neg those with Senjutsu? (Or maybe Six Paths Senjutsu?)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I mean, the Rasenshuriken is treated as dura negation here and the Third Raikage withstood it. So it’s not out of the question to say Kurama is just too damn strong for the acid and he kinda is, logically, like Hagoromo clearly didn’t split the Juubi into even pieces.

Third Raikage was a THICC BOY and didn't Ay say that the Third Raikage had a specially tough body for being able to withstand that Light-Speed Teleportation Jutsu as well?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Isn't that one just due to the Truth Seeking Orbs cannot dura neg those with Senjutsu? (Or maybe Six Paths Senjutsu?)

Yeah, those using Senjutsu or those that have Six Paths Chakra have resistance/immunity to TSOs

 

[LordTracer]

Third Raikage was a THICC BOY and didn't Ay say that the Third Raikage had a specially tough body for being able to withstand that Light-Speed Teleportation Jutsu as well?

Lemme use the Third Raikage as my counter for dura neg and piercing damage smh

Yes, but didn’t A IV also tank that?

 

[Damage3245]

Third Raikage was a THICC BOY and didn't Ay say that the Third Raikage had a specially tough body for being able to withstand that Light-Speed Teleportation Jutsu as well?

Yeah, and also the fact that the Rasenshuriken only negates durability in a certain way by harming the chakra network (which Edo Tensei can recover from).

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah, those using Senjutsu or those that have Six Paths Chakra have resistance/immunity to TSOs

Oh yeah, that’s my bad. Also this reminds me that BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke shouldn’t scale to Juubito since they were using senjutsu against him.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Lemme use the Third Raikage as my counter for dura neg and piercing damage smh

Yes, but didn’t A IV also tank that?

A IV is just discount A III

I mean, A4 doesn't even have Special Finger Assault

Yeah, but we haven't seen A-IV get hit with "Discount Kienzan"

 

[LordTracer]

A IV is just discount A III

I mean, A4 doesn't even have Special Finger Assault

Yeah, but we haven't seen A-IV get hit with "Discount Kienzan"

Is he really discount tho

Yeah, we haven’t seen him get hit with a Rasenshuriken although we have seen him be slapped by a Susano’o which is way stronger owo, but if he can tank the same thing as his father with no ill-effects... they should at least be comparable in dura.

 

[KingTempest]

It would actually slightly downscale since Gyūki was hurt, just not downscale enough to be out of 6-C. And yeah, considering how dura scaling to AP is common for, what, 99.9% of the characters on the wiki and the durability page itself mentions this, I wouldn’t assume it’s an outlier.

That makes sense, the only thing is scaling if it was actually a 6-C explosion, but we don't need to argue off that.

Gyūki realized that Han was transforming into Kokuō though? And he literally saw Kokuō before it charged him? Hell,

You claimed Gyūki was scared of the V2 jinchūriki based on him saying that he and Naruto needed to retreat. However, he only claimed that after he saw Han transform into Kokuō. So yes, you are being dishonest.

And because he hadn’t seen them transform yet? What kind of question is that?

I just read through the chapter, Han was in a V2 state on one page, and we didn't see him again until he charged at Bee in full bijuu mode, after Bee said his statement. Chapter 566 towards the end, check it out either on your own link or from here on.

”You didn’t see how they did it”
>Proceeds to make a claim on how Naruto did it

It makes more sense that we see a pathway for Naruto moving (since we've repeatedly seen Naruto's high speed movement have trails of chakra behind him). I don't even know where the rumor (I know you didn't claim this, yet) that a chakra arm was what did it, when Naruto wasn't even near them. It's more likely that he just dashed by them and hit them all.

I mean, chakra arms do exist. So...

Above makes more sense.

First of all, calm yourself. Second of all, it’s pretty obvious that (since we treat everyone’s physicals as their weakest thing for whatever reason) that if the Bijuu have 6-C striking strength, then their Bijuudama (the strongest jinchūriki move according to your scan) would also be 6-C.

I said my counter for 6-C striking strength above here.

Saiken, Chōmei and Isobu’s Bijuudama appear to be the same size as Gyūki’s.

Not at all, I'm about to do a calc on that.

You can’t use the Bijuudama being closer to us as a point against it, and then not do the same for when Gyūki is closer to us. And when the Bijuudama actually hits Gyūki, it’s about the same size as his head (like the five 6-C Bijuudama) and much bigger than his horns.

Bijuudamas expand as they explode, it was expanding.

Unless you like, actually pixel-scaled this or something, then your math is based on pure assumption. Especially when the Bijuudama is right on Gyūki, we see that it’s roughly the same size as his head.

I haven't done a pixel calc in forever, shit I'll do one ASAP, at least for the size of the bijuudama pre explosion.

 

[KingTempest]

Isn't that one just due to the Truth Seeking Orbs cannot dura neg those with Senjutsu? (Or maybe Six Paths Senjutsu?)

Senjutsu it's just their attacks. Six Paths Chakra (not just the senjutsu) was stated in databook to be immune to it.

➡ Kicking the "Truth-Seeking Ball"! Exceeding the Kurama Mode, a feat accomplished by a huge chakra.

 

[LordTracer]

I just read through the chapter, Han was in a V2 state on one page, and we didn't see him again until he charged at Bee in full bijuu mode, after Bee said his statement. Chapter 566 towards the end, check it out either on your own link or from here on.

In the page before Kokuō stabs Gyūki, we see it squaring off with him like some Godzilla/King Ghidorah shit. There’s no way Gyūki didn’t see the huge white horse thing directly in front of him, especially since in the last page he realized that Han could transform.

It makes more sense that we see a pathway for Naruto moving (since we've repeatedly seen Naruto's high speed movement have trails of chakra behind him). I don't even know where the rumor (I know you didn't claim this, yet) that a chakra arm was what did it, when Naruto wasn't even near them. It's more likely that he just dashed by them and hit them all.

I can agree with this, however if we said (hypothetically) that the Bijuudama were High 7-A+, and Naruto effortlessly slapped them away like that, that’d be enough for him to upscale even if he did it one at a time.

I said my counter for 6-C striking strength above here

I’m not basing it off of them being masses of chakra like the profiles currently state, I’m basing it off of them harming Gyūki.

 

[KingTempest]

In the page before Kokuō stabs Gyūki, we see it squaring off with him like some Godzilla/King Ghidorah shit. There’s no way Gyūki didn’t see the huge white horse thing directly in front of him, especially since in the last page he realized that Han could transform.

Nah it's possible, cause Naruto and Bee got blitzed by the Juubi's big ass right when it was created. I'm pretty sure that Bee was focused

I can agree with this, however if we said (hypothetically) that the Bijuudama were High 7-A+, and Naruto effortlessly slapped them away like that, that’d be enough for him to upscale even if he did it one at a time.

Understood and respected

I’m not basing it off of them being masses of chakra like the profiles currently state, I’m basing it off of them harming Gyūki.

Ohhh, alrighty then.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I can agree with this, however if we said (hypothetically) that the Bijuudama were High 7-A+, and Naruto effortlessly slapped them away like that, that’d be enough for him to upscale even if he did it one at a time.

IIRC characters are allowed to upscale to a "+" sign or to the next Tier if there's only a 1.5X difference or less.

 

[LordTracer]

IIRC characters are allowed to upscale to a "+" sign or to the next Tier if there's only a 1.5X difference or less.

Yeah, but with the logic that the Bijuu are High 7-A+ by backscaling from a 6-C (this is a thing that you can do btw, a revision was planned by staff with this exact thing), upscaling from them would then be 6-C. Especially when Naruto’s feat upscaling from them was effortless.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Isn't that one just due to the Truth Seeking Orbs cannot dura neg those with Senjutsu? (Or maybe Six Paths Senjutsu?)

Yup

 

[LordTracer]

Nah it's possible, cause Naruto and Bee got blitzed by the Juubi's big ass right when it was created. I'm pretty sure that Bee was focused

Wait, what? The Juubi hadn’t even been formed yet.

Ohhh, alrighty then.

Yeah, the profile’s current reasoning is pretty garbage.

 

[KingTempest]

Wait, what? The Juubi hadn’t even been formed yet.

Naw it definitely was. They got brutally blitzed by the Juubi right off the bat.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, but with the logic that the Bijuu are High 7-A+ by backscaling from a 6-C (this is a thing that you can do btw, a revision was planned by staff with this exact thing), upscaling from them would then be 6-C. Especially when Naruto’s feat upscaling from them was effortless.

I'm assuming this is still based on the assumption that their Biju Bomb projectiles = the Biju Bomb exploding? Because I don't think that has definitely been proven yet.

 

[LordTracer]

I'm assuming this is still based on the assumption that their Biju Bomb projectiles = the Biju Bomb exploding? Because I don't think that has definitely been proven yet.

I said hypothetically when I mentioned that, Damage. I wasn’t saying it as absolute fact.

 

[LordTracer]

Naw it definitely was. They got brutally blitzed by the Juubi right off the bat.

I‘m talking about when they were fighting the jinchūriki and when Kokuō squared up with Gyūki.

 

[KingTempest]

I‘m talking about when they were fighting the jinchūriki and when Kokuō squared up with Gyūki.

Ohhh, I used the example of the Juubi cause he was big but they still didn't recognize him.
I meant that Bee was focused on the V2 Jinchuriki, and right when he noticed Kukuo, he got hit.

 

[LordTracer]

Ohhh, I used the example of the Juubi cause he was big but they still didn't recognize him.
I meant that Bee was focused on the V2 Jinchuriki, and right when he noticed Kukuo, he got hit.

That’s fair, but the Juubi is also just fast.

And like I said, Kokoū was right in front of Gyūki and he was looking in the same direction as him. The only way Gyūki wouldn’t have noticed is if his eyes were closed.

 

[LordTracer]

I said hypothetically when I mentioned that, Damage. I wasn’t saying it as absolute fact.

Also it would be 6-C if it was going off of projectile Bijuudama = exploded Bijuudama. High 7-A+ would put projectile Bijuudama <<< exploded Bijuudama.