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That's a big assumption considering we've never seen him consider resorting to using it for any other battle we've seen him in for all of Shippuden.
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Gokage Speed Upgrade & Uzuhiko Fix [Boruto]
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Yes he is. So many statements and feats you can't even imagine.
Also can we stop bringing up Kakashi using his gates just once. It is irrelevant. Kakashi gates is already accepted on the wiki.
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those weren’t kaguya level threats and during kaguya level threats he got DMS
(If he didn’t get DMS his fodder Subrel speeds won’t benefit from a 5x buff against near 10c beings)
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Analytical deduction again. Do you mind me explaining for the 3rd time?
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Deadass bro needs to stop hanging onto it for dear life
, ima respond to the others a few minutes later
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Sorry, but it seems like these "analytical deductions" are being treated like they're supposed to be widely accepted facts.
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Except for the small fact where Sasuke is limited in the number of people he can take for the fight. Even if there were a dozen copies of the gokages, he can only take a limited number with him. Which means those who miss out didn't necessarily miss because they were weaker but that they can't all go.Do you think this is a mission to retrieve a cat or something?Retired people will join in and give it their level best if it means saving the world from otsutsuki level dangers
8th gate is a different level of power compared to first gate. Not sure why you're bringing guy into this. They didn’t know Momoshiki could fuse. Meaning they went there with the intent of fighting their base versions.
? What benefit does flying have against an opponent that's primarily in the air? Are you hearing yourself?
You have 0 evidence of this being the case. The only things we see work against the duo were kenkei genkai and a super weapon. Kakashi would somehow manifest jutsus of that caliber despite not showing it at all in over 700 chapters worth of screen time. Sure.
Sasuke's lightning did fuckall against kinshiki
Because momo ran from them?
How's Kakashi supposed to blitz flying opponents?
Why take Kakashi who apart from having 0 relevance offensive wise, becomes useless after a short burst of speed, when you can take darui with superior offensive capabilities and won't become a liability after attempting a blitz?
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Gokage: We're the strongest ninjas 
Sasuke:
Sasuke:
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If the logic of the deduction is sound it’s good to be used
I hope me and lex don’t have to explain what fallacies are next
This almost would be funny IF it wasn’t a narrator statement instead of them hyping themselves upGokage: We're the strongest ninjas
Sasuke:
They know their place in contrast to momo and kin which is the trash can
Either way it’s a secondary canon statement so I’m not too worried about it
So what?
Only damage has pronounced a vote as of now and I’ve refuted the contention he’s had in a very descriptive manner here
He hasn’t attacked it and anyone who did attack it got refuted here, if he runs out of contentions to add I will ask him to stop gatekeeping the greenlight
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No, they missed out because they weren’t going to provide any meaningful support. Sasuke’s portal could have easily accommodated two more people, like Katasuke and his cameraman. Honestly, the only reason they didn’t take two was because:
“ given our battle strength, this is the best group I that will go.”
But come on—are we really going to act like Sasuke, Naruto, Boruto, and the rest of the Gokage can also fly? This point holds no weight. Scrap it.
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That's what happens when you take statements at face value and without nuance.
The Gokage/Kage being the strongest isn't an alien statement in the verse. However, it is always within specific contexts and there are glaring exceptions to it
The Gokages are not the strongest ninjas because Sasuke exists.
Same way A4 is regarded as the strongest cloud ninja when it comes to physicals and not overall power (which would put him above Bee's charged bijuudaamas)
Or kakashi being considered as such even though naruto just defeated pain
But what do i know
Apart from the fact where I mentioned the other skills of the remaining kages, i also mentioned that gaara CAN FLY OTHERS. WHICH WE SEE HAPPEN IN THE FIGHT
The Gokage/Kage being the strongest isn't an alien statement in the verse. However, it is always within specific contexts and there are glaring exceptions to it
The Gokages are not the strongest ninjas because Sasuke exists.
Same way A4 is regarded as the strongest cloud ninja when it comes to physicals and not overall power (which would put him above Bee's charged bijuudaamas)
Or kakashi being considered as such even though naruto just defeated pain
But what do i know
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Apart from the fact where I mentioned the other skills of the remaining kages, i also mentioned that gaara CAN FLY OTHERS. WHICH WE SEE HAPPEN IN THE FIGHT
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they missed out because they offer little tactical advantage compared to them and as I've said among them Darui (useless) could be substituted with Kakashi if his speeds are good enough,
Intent =/= Feat, you wanna argue Boro is L5B since he wanted to beat naruto?
Their value lies in trickery, that's what they did, we dont assume they were secrelty massively stronger than base momo
I am loud and clear dear Test, in fact I reread every reply three times before I send out.
So yes, do explain what flight is gonna do at all
1) Drop the caliber word, we're not doing the "oh jutsu of that level" rubbish again, read what I said regards to shikadai and jura
2) what do you think kakashi is gonna benefit from by using binding jutsu against kaguya when he can gets vapourised in seconds
3) Only thing seen working =/= only thing that will work, they used basic ass jutsus and tricks they came up on the spot, Kakashi can easily have better cards and tricks to throw.
Brother looks like he lost his soul LMAO
I avoid nuisances too, I don't like getting my hands dirty, your idea of it implying ap significance gets shattered when momoshiki casually blocks his attacks without a single sweat, only when sasuke shows up does he truly feel cornered
What did their flight do? Darui sure as hell cant fly, funny way how the series does those things,
"Kakashi gets useless after usage" im sure after his first use he became bedridden and unable to fight without recover instead of continuing to train sasuke and then handling the drama in konoha later on, the source material happens to lie, obviously youll face drawbacks of the 8th gate when using the first and they not at all increase in risk with each added gate, you're talking like his body is gonna explode after one blitz, that's NOT how this works
uh that wasnt something I used for my args but oh well, mine remain undefeated
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im not sure what the consensus is, and if someone is willing to summarize the arguments and the counter ones.
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I'll do that in a bit since its quite a bit of work
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so just reading the OP not any of the other arugments (NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT)
Is Sasuke aware that Kakashi can use the first gate?
Is Sasuke aware that Kakashi can use the first gate?
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Not explicitly. Sasuke was present in Chapter 93 when Kakashi used the first Gate to climb a cliff - but Kakashi gave no verbal sign he was using the Gate, nor was Sasuke shown using his Sharingan to plausibly notice the usage of the gate (if he even saw Kakashi directly when he used it).
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If you disagreed why not reply when I initially countered this, yes there are verbal signs, i've explained them in my reply against you
Why are you ignoring it and continuing to deny it?
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I think I skimmed over that part of the post. When did Kakashi say "Open"? I reread Chapter 93 and can't see that.
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(even without the anime there is a sound effect as well as change in stats, struggling and almost falling to flying up the rocks, this is after he explained gates with utmost detail to the kids)
Have you decided what you want to say regarding Uzuhiko
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So aside from the fact that he never said "Open" in the manga, that "Open" in the anime isn't even necessarily verbal... That could be a mental "Open" since his mouth never moves and it doesn't sound like he's talking normally.
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you could interpret that but I added that since generally jutsu are yelled aloud, no issue if you disagree the other stuff is the primary arg anyway
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I mention this only because Kakashi isnt known to exactly spill his guts, Guy wasnt aware of Kamui until kakashi attempted it on deidara's bomb and naruto wasnt aware that kakashi could perform the rasengan until their training, nor does the sound effect mean anything as its not diegetic, its for the reader, otherwise every sharingan user would fail at stealth every time they activate their eyes.
that being said im not entirely convinced that someone with a 5x speed gap would be excluded entirely given their base stats are much closer to the current threat than they were in shippuden, nor would the ability to not fly be that big of hindrance given Gaara's support, as we see Darui use gaara's sand platforms to chase after momoshiki.
that being said im not entirely convinced that someone with a 5x speed gap would be excluded entirely given their base stats are much closer to the current threat than they were in shippuden, nor would the ability to not fly be that big of hindrance given Gaara's support, as we see Darui use gaara's sand platforms to chase after momoshiki.
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Kamui was deadly and non combat applicable until the war arc, it falls under the last gate, those dont get considered under normal circumstances, but it's not relevant, Kakashi's clear stat amp is a dead give away for sasuke without his sharingan after having heard kakashi describe it in great detail the logical assumption is sasuke knows when a jutsu is used infront of his face
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iirc KT said he disagreed but if not then my fault
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he only popped in to share some gripes, as he did not pronounce a vote I am not counting him
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I’m pronouncing my disagreeal then
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I’m not taking any statement at face value; the claims were backed up with . For instance, the Gokage being comparable to Kinshiki and Momoshiki aligns with the statement . Similarly, 3-tomoe Sasuke was shown to be on par with them too.
The statement “they were the strongest of shinobi” doesn’t necessarily mean “they are the strongest shinobi.” That title already belongs to Naruto. However, the Gokage rank highly in terms of combat ability, which explains why they were considered more useful than Kakashi in certain scenarios.
As for Gaara, if he can fly others, why couldn’t he do the same for Kakashi?
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Ok noted,
Go ahead KT validate your remaining contentions, let’s hear your things that aren’t subjective gripes or stuff like “I don’t feel this is true”
Also what is your stance on the uzuhiko stuff, do include reasoning behind your votes as Damage does
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Dude, no need to be a dick about it.
Disagree FRA and for other reasons I've stated btw.
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No don't do that. What he said is not in the confines of rule-breaking. However the word d**k is
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I didn't say it was breaking a rule. I just made a factual statement about what was or was not necessary.
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You don't get to determine that. He his arguing with KT and they have been going back and forth. With KT making some rather unnecessarily statement himself
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I'm just hearing "mreowmreowmreowmreowmreowmreowmreow"
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I’m not being a “dick”
I’m not calling him names or being aggressive, I’m not saying “if you don’t elaborate I won’t count your vote”
I said I noted his vote and asked for elaboration, it is perfectly reasonable to seek a deeper reasoning when all I’ve seen him do is nitpick with a scan I’ve never once shared or used as my own arguments.
& Kindly cease your childishness
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On it, chief.
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You said you disagree for your reasons, let's take a look at everything you have commented here
All attempts at debunking me has been shattered and disproven with evidence and sound logic, unless you wish to bring newer counter arguments, I suggest reconsidering your vote.
AP nonsense was refuted here
healers stay back if they're more beneficial in doors than in combat, if she's useful she will be taken to rescue her close friend, the fact that you would propose she would stay back to heal NPCs instead of fight for naruto is utter woke nonsense
This was refuted here
refuted here
All attempts at debunking me has been shattered and disproven with evidence and sound logic, unless you wish to bring newer counter arguments, I suggest reconsidering your vote.
