Nanatsu no Taizai Maybe Series Finale Revision Part 2: Scaling

[Dooyo]

Yeah^
He should scale above Base Zeldris and that's pretty much it, this form lasts very little time and the entire segment that he was on screen, his ass was getting handed to him by Meliodas and Elizabeth, it does sadly mean a decrease in AP for the scaling chain tho

How both Prime AM and Post Purgatory AM are high 6B, Post Purgatory version is far above Prime Mel from the past.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

How about looking at the actual AP values for them? Prime scales to 194.61 Teratons while Post Purgatory scales to at least 389.22 Teratons.

 

[Dooyo]

How about looking at the actual AP values for them? Prime scales to 194.61 Teratons while Post Purgatory scales to at least 389.22 Teratons.

It is confusing when looking at their profile, then put " at least " High 6B for Post Purgatory AM Mel if he is 389.22 Teratons and Prime AM Mel is 194.61 from whatever results.

Also where those results came from? Calc staking is permitted in this forum?

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

64.87 Teratons comes from Mael's feat while being far from his peak in power. Prime Demon Mark Meliodas scales from this. Assault Mode is a 3x Multiplier, and Near-Noon Mael scales to that, so they are 194.61 Teratons. 50% DK and Supreme Deity are astronomically stronger than The One Mael who is far stronger than Near-Noon Mael. When they are at 100%, they are 2x that value, so 389.22 Teratons.

 

[Dooyo]

64.87 Teratons comes from Mael's feat while being far from his peak in power. Prime Demon Mark Meliodas scales from this. Assault Mode is a 3x Multiplier, and Near-Noon Mael scales to that, so they are 194.61 Teratons. 50% DK and Supreme Deity are astronomically stronger than The One Mael who is far stronger than Near-Noon Mael. When they are at 100%, they are 2x that value, so 389.22 Teratons.

That is calc stacking lol, you can't use that meaning for multiplying yield otherwise several other verse should use the same method as well.

Also, how The One Ultimate is comparable to 100% Gods? He couldn't do anything against the DK alone and got several help and even saved numerous times.

If you says, he could hurt him, so the rest of the sins lol. The point is that once he was serious at 100% while fusing with Britiannia, he couldn't do anything.

Point is, Escanor didn't do better than Ban and King, so you upgrade them or you reduce Escanor to their reference.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Calc_Stacking

Scaling with accepted multipliers is not prohibited. I suggest reading the page on it. Also, The One Ultimate is comparable to 100% Gods because he overpowered Full Power DK Zeldris who obtained his prime power, which is implied in the manga to be superior to his old body's 100%. DK Britannia is just a wacky case in of itself.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3918728

This is the thead where Assault Mode and Full Counter were concluded to be 3x.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Damn you nakaba look what you have done with us.

 

[Dooyo]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Calc_Stacking
Scaling with accepted multipliers is not prohibited. I suggest reading the page on it. Also, The One Ultimate is comparable to 100% Gods because he overpowered Full Power DK Zeldris who obtained his prime power, which is implied in the manga to be superior to his old body's 100%. DK Britannia is just a wacky case in of itself.

The point is, he didn't lol, the DK wasn't serious against him and even stated it, once he went serious, the sins saved him by blocking his attack.

Escanor hurted him yes, but so is Ban, King and all the sins with that logic lol.

DK Brit is his true 100%, he was stronger than when he was in Zeldoris as the sins couldn't ragdoll him easily.

 

[Dooyo]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3918728
This is the thead where Assault Mode and Full Counter were concluded to be 3x.

The manga clearly stated that FC reflect the attack with more than the double power of the original attack.

It could be 3 times, 4 times, who know.

Indeed, 3 times seems a safe bet as low balling.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

If you refer back to 327,the DK never once stated anything about not being serious against Escanor. In fact, he actually stated The One was an equal to him. A few chapters before that, Near Noon Escanor did more damage than Ban or King combined. It's pretty clear that those two scaling to DK Zeldris would be an outlier when they couldn't do much even with Demon Mark Meliodas' help.

 

[Dooyo]

If you refer back to 327,the DK never once stated anything about not being serious against Escanor. In fact, he actually stated The One was an equal to him. A few chapters before that, Near Noon Escanor did more damage than Ban or King combined. It's pretty clear that those two scaling to DK Zeldris would be an outlier when they couldn't do much even with Demon Mark Meliodas' help.

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/328/5

DK: " Enough with this farce " lol

Also the fact that he didn't bother using his sword, he was playing with him.

How it is outlier for them but not for Escanor? Sound like you have bias toward Escanor and downplay Ban and King.

Like I said, all the sins damaged and ragdolled him in the next chapter to that one, so your point is moot.

They weren't serious, as simple as that, a feat is a feat, if you accept it for Escanor, for the sake of consistency, you have to accept for others or you will sound like a fanboy.

 

[Ah_Gou]

It's not calc stacking in this case. It an attack is 5 teratons and Mel counters it, it will be 15 teratons. Pretty straight forward.

 

[Dooyo]

It's not calc stacking in this case. It an attack is 5 teratons and Mel counters it, it will be 15 teratons. Pretty straight forward.

But Full Counter is a hax skill power, which has nothing to do with the user power in itself.

So why scaling it to Mel and the others?

 

[Ah_Gou]

Noone is scaling FC to the others. FC was scaled to Assault Mode as a boost in stats. Escanor tanked his own attack Full Countered and Meliodas did more damage than that with a punch.

 

[Dooyo]

Noone is scaling FC to the others. FC was scaled to Assault Mode as a boost in stats. Escanor tanked his own attack Full Countered and Meliodas did more damage than that with a punch.

But that is false equivalence, that instead isn't related to the Mael feat nor FC and AM are related, one is a hax skill that is independent to the user level, the other is a multiplier mode for combat.

 

[Ah_Gou]

What are you talking about? Care to explain it better cuz i didn't understand anything.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

@Dooyo

AM did much more damage to Escanor than his own full countered attack. Mel's Demon Mark was never remarked as impressive like Near-Noon Escanor was, meaning he is likely inferior. Thus, Assault Mode must increase Meliodas' power by more than 3x to be overcome Escanor's durability. This increase would still apply to his Prime and Post-Purgatory self unless shown otherwise. Hopefully that clears things up.

 

[Dooyo]

@Dooyo
AM did much more damage to Escanor than his own full countered attack. Mel's Demon Mark was never remarked as impressive like Near-Noon Escanor was, meaning he is likely inferior. Thus, Assault Mode must increase Meliodas' power by more than 3x to be overcome Escanor's durability. This increase would still apply to his Prime and Post-Purgatory self unless shown otherwise. Hopefully that clears things up.

But he didn't took the full countered attack, he dodged it and it exploded...

 

[Dooyo]

What are you talking about? Care to explain it better cuz i didn't understand anything.

You said that FC scale to AM, I am saying that it isn't possible because they aren't the same thing.

 

[Ah_Gou]

Steve already explained how we scale it. We don't even scale it we just use logic to determine how much of a boost in power he got. And Cruel Sun still exploded inside perfect cube, both took the full power of the blast.

 

[Dooyo]

Steve already explained how we scale it. We don't even scale it we just use logic to determine how much of a boost in power he got. And Cruel Sun still exploded inside perfect cube, both took the full power of the blast.

But you put several assumptions into your logic, like 3 times power up for AM where we don't how many times that mode makes Mel stronger, not to mention that moment, he was far from his prime as stated by Zeldoris later on.

 

[Ah_Gou]

You keep going to the same argument even though we already explained it. I'm not going to repeat myself, read the 5 comments above yours several times until you understand what we're saying cuz it's pretty straightforward.

 

[Dooyo]

You keep going to the same argument even though we already explained it. I'm not going to repeat myself, read the 5 comments above yours several times until you understand what we're saying cuz it's pretty straightforward.

I know what you are saying, I just disagree with it because that is based on assumption of a random multiplier for AM that the manga didn't say a thing about it.

Only FC gave us a reference, not his AM, we know that he is far stronger in that mode, but how much? We don't know, he could be 4 or 5 times stronger, why making 3?

 

[Ah_Gou]

@Dooyo

AM did much more damage to Escanor than his own full countered attack. Mel's Demon Mark was never remarked as impressive like Near-Noon Escanor was, meaning he is likely inferior. Thus, Assault Mode must increase Meliodas' power by more than 3x to be overcome Escanor's durability. This increase would still apply to his Prime and Post-Purgatory self unless shown otherwise. Hopefully that clears things up.

Again.

 

[Dooyo]

@Dooyo

AM did much more damage to Escanor than his own full countered attack. Mel's Demon Mark was never remarked as impressive like Near-Noon Escanor was, meaning he is likely inferior. Thus, Assault Mode must increase Meliodas' power by more than 3x to be overcome Escanor's durability. This increase would still apply to his Prime and Post-Purgatory self unless shown otherwise. Hopefully that clears things up.

Again.

Do you agree with scaling Escanor The One ultimate with 100% Gods when he couldn't do anything on his own against the DK?

 

[Dooyo]

@Dooyo
AM did much more damage to Escanor than his own full countered attack. Mel's Demon Mark was never remarked as impressive like Near-Noon Escanor was, meaning he is likely inferior. Thus, Assault Mode must increase Meliodas' power by more than 3x to be overcome Escanor's durability. This increase would still apply to his Prime and Post-Purgatory self unless shown otherwise. Hopefully that clears things up.

You still haven't explain about Escanor yet and why you are dismissing Ban and King.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

Chapter 283-285: The combined might of Meliodas, Ban, and Wild can do nothing against the Demon King. Ban learns his gift ability and attempts to use it on the Demon King. Ban instead gifts his power and is able to bypass The Ruler, but not for long since it can be turned on and off at will. Wild has to use Full Throttle to distact the Demon King. It works until his life force runs out. Ban is able to make it back to the living world, but Meliodas is intercepted. Meliodas activates his True Magic and is able to disentegrate the Demon King's arm

Chapter 300-305: The Demon King has just entered Meliodas' body powered by the 10 Commandments. Afternoon Mael, Full Wings King, and Drole's Dance Diane all try attacking him. None of them were able to lay a finger on the DK. King is the least injured among the 3 and it can be argued that he would've done better if his magic wasn't so drained. Ban is completely unharmed by DK Meliodas's storm. He is able to hold his own while Meliodas is fighting his control, as stated by Merlin. The fight between them is equal until the Demon King tells Meliodas that Elizabeth is dead. As he gets more control, his power starts rising the point that he can grapple and stab Ban with his bare hands. Gowther is able to think up a plan and the Sins along with Elizabeth enter Meliodas' mind and give him the encouragement he needs to continue resisting. Ban starts gaining the advantage as Meliodas gains more and more control. The Sins use a combo attack and they manage to drive the Demon King out.

Chapter 316: Ban, King, Diane, Merlin, and Gowther all take on the Chimera Indura. Ban reobtains Courechouse and is able to draw out his power to its very limits with Super Concentration.

Chapter 320-328: Demon King regains power beyond his original 100%, comparing it to when he was younger. The Seven Deadly Sins, minus Escanor, arrive to assist Meliodas. Demon Mark Meliodas, Corechouse Ban, and Full Wings King all fight against Full Power DK Zeldris. Pollen Garden couldn't even hold up. Escanor swoops in and blocks the next swing with his bare hand. After getting punched in the face and slashed across his body, Escanor responds with a Divine Spear and Divine Sword, leaving a sizeable whole and then cutting him in two. Ban intercepts the next attack and counters, but does no damage. Escanor, Ban, and King are tasked with holding DK Zeldris at bay while Meliodas and Gowther go into his mind. These 3 do no notable damage the entire time. Meliodas reemerges from Zeldris's minds and Escanor enters The One. Gowther states that Escanor is able to do considerable damage, and the Demon King says that he can trade blows equally. The One runs out and the Demon King punches into Escanor's gut, thinking that he has won the fight. Escanor enters The One Ultimate and proceeds to tank a barrage of punches and send DK Zeldris flying. Once Zeldris starts resisting, the Sins are immediately able to take the advantage.

Ban and King are weaker than 50% DK and might comparable to Demon Mark Meliodas. Escanor is flat out shown and stated multiple times to be comparable to Full Power DK Zeldris.

 

[Dooyo]

Chapter 283-285: The combined might of Meliodas, Ban, and Wild can do nothing against the Demon King. Ban learns his gift ability and attempts to use it on the Demon King. Ban instead gifts his power and is able to bypass The Ruler, but not for long since it can be turned on and off at will. Wild has to use Full Throttle to distact the Demon King. It works until his life force runs out. Ban is able to make it back to the living world, but Meliodas is intercepted. Meliodas activates his True Magic and is able to disentegrate the Demon King's arm
Chapter 300-305: The Demon King has just entered Meliodas' body powered by the 10 Commandments. Afternoon Mael, Full Wings King, and Drole's Dance Diane all try attacking him. None of them were able to lay a finger on the DK. King is the least injured among the 3 and it can be argued that he would've done better if his magic wasn't so drained. Ban is completely unharmed by DK Meliodas's storm. He is able to hold his own while Meliodas is fighting his control, as stated by Merlin. The fight between them is equal until the Demon King tells Meliodas that Elizabeth is dead. As he gets more control, his power starts rising the point that he can grapple and stab Ban with his bare hands. Gowther is able to think up a plan and the Sins along with Elizabeth enter Meliodas' mind and give him the encouragement he needs to continue resisting. Ban starts gaining the advantage as Meliodas gains more and more control. The Sins use a combo attack and they manage to drive the Demon King out.

Chapter 316: Ban, King, Diane, Merlin, and Gowther all take on the Chimera Indura. Ban reobtains Courechouse and is able to draw out his power to its very limits with Super Concentration.

Chapter 320-328: Demon King regains power beyond his original 100%, comparing it to when he was younger. The Seven Deadly Sins, minus Escanor, arrive to assist Meliodas. Demon Mark Meliodas, Corechouse Ban, and Full Wings King all fight against Full Power DK Zeldris. Pollen Garden couldn't even hold up. Escanor swoops in and blocks the next swing with his bare hand. After getting punched in the face and slashed across his body, Escanor responds with a Divine Spear and Divine Sword, leaving a sizeable whole and then cutting him in two. Ban intercepts the next attack and counters, but does no damage. Escanor, Ban, and King are tasked with holding DK Zeldris at bay while Meliodas and Gowther go into his mind. These 3 do no notable damage the entire time. Meliodas reemerges from Zeldris's minds and Escanor enters The One. Gowther states that Escanor is able to do considerable damage, and the Demon King says that he can trade blows equally. The One runs out and the Demon King punches into Escanor's gut, thinking that he has won the fight. Escanor enters The One Ultimate and proceeds to tank a barrage of punches and send DK Zeldris flying. Once Zeldris starts resisting, the Sins are immediately able to take the advantage.

Ban and King are weaker than 50% DK and might comparable to Demon Mark Meliodas. Escanor is flat out shown and stated multiple times to be comparable to Full Power DK Zeldris.

" Ban and King are weaker than 50% DK and might comparable to Demon Mark Meliodas. Escanor is flat out shown and stated multiple times to be comparable to Full Power DK Zeldris. "

That is completely false lol, nowhere he was stated multiple time that he was comparable to him and like I said, both of them managed to injure him which shouldn't be possible if they were weaker than his 50% self, you are still dismissing that fact on purpose.

And like I said, his true 100% is DK Britannia where he was stronger than when he was inside Zeldoris, I like how you keep being in denial about this.

 

[Ah_Gou]

Ban and King never injured the DK, just pushed him away. Escanor however did it pre-The One and absolutely smashed him in Ultimate Form.

 

[Dooyo]

Ban and King never injured the DK, just pushed him away. Escanor however did it pre-The One and absolutely smashed him in Ultimate Form.

Oh really, then explain this

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/328/6

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/328/7

You can clearly see the slash over his chest by Ban's sacred treasure attack banishing kill and King's fire of Chastifol.

Blood is clearly seen, drawing out blood from someone is called damage, an injury. It is basic common sense, no matter the mental gynastics against it.

So you scale them too or you clearly showed that you have a bias only toward Escanor and disregard others characters feat?

You realize that they also managed to damage when he was pre One which turn out that he wasn't damage at that time as confirmed by Merlin?

 

[Ah_Gou]

What are you exactly arguing? That ban and King=the one Escanor?

 

[Dooyo]

What are you exactly arguing? That ban and King=the one Escanor?

That they get the same scaling as him as they too managed to injure the Full Power Demon King Zeldris by drawing blood out of him. Remember? You said that Ban and King NEVER injure him and I proved you wrong. That is a feat for them, their best feat in the entire series for now to be honest.

That is basic scaling, The One Escanor isn't equal to the DK as we saw that he was losing and getting help unlike the DK who wasn't serious and didn't use his sword nor magic, doesn't mean he can't get scaled to him.


Scaling to someone doesn't mean that you are automatically equal to said someone lol.

 

[Ah_Gou]

Because i saw the argument for pre-noon Escanor and assumed this was during the time they were standing on the lake, because Ban and King really didn't damage DK then and Escanor did.

 

[Dooyo]

Because i saw the argument for pre-noon Escanor and assumed this was during the time they were standing on the lake, because Ban and King really didn't damage DK then and Escanor did.

They actually did like him lol during that time as well.

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/322/18

But it was revealed by Merlin that actually NONE on those 3 barely injure him lol.

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/325/5

http://www.**********.com/nanatsu-no-taizai/325/7

Merlin: " he is hardly taking any damage at all against those 3 "

 

[Ah_Gou]

But the chapter before that Escanor did more damage to him alone lol.

 

[Dooyo]

But the chapter before that Escanor did more damage to him alone lol.

Are you sleeping? That was AFTER that so called damage, you are talking about pre One right? Be consistent dude, you are all over the place.

 

[Ah_Gou]

I have always talked about his pre-noon state :|

 

[Ah_Gou]

While we're revising. Didn't Arthur absorb the magic power stored in the lake from the combined attack of the sins? Is this supposed to mean anything?

 

[Dooyo]

I have always talked about his pre-noon state :|

And provide above that he didn't do shit as stated by Merlin, are you in denial about the manga? If you claim that he damage him, so do Ban and King as I provide the link.

I knew that you had a blind bias toward Escanor lol.