MonsterVerse Upgrades (SPOILERS)

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Godzilla almost died to a High 6-C attack, no?

What was the 6-c attack that he almost died from?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

What was the 6-c attack that he almost died from?

Maybe is one secret attack no on else noticed on the film

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The meteor

Um no, big g was just fine

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The meteor

It did nothing to him

 

[Hellbeast]

Wait so what would the feat for the gravity be?

 

[1000TonsofFun]

The accepted calc for ghidorah here is high 6-c+. Even if the cloud values are wrong that would be high 6c. And this is the storm being moved so it would scale to KG’s ap. so still likely a slight downgrade but less so.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Isn't that environmental destruction?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I mean it's where they're all from, yes? If so I can imagine that they'd be accustomed and therefore unaffected by the gravitational shenanigans of the Hollow Earth unlike something like humans

A possible theory, but the spaceship crushing feat is still valid

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Isn't that environmental destruction?

Yes

 

[KieranH10]

New Meteor Calc is out, 36.6 Gigatons.

I also updated the old one with correct values to avoid any confusion.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Isn't that environmental destruction?

Well he physically moved the storm so I think it would scale to AP. I calculated the KE of moving the storm rather than the energy to create it (which would be way higher but only scale to environmental destruction). Similar to Thor’s storm moving.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Anyway I'll apply the speed upgrades

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Rewatched the scene a few times and talked to some people on Discord, and this is the best interpretation I can come up with regarding the gravitational inversion. We're delving into the realm of pseudoscience so it's not really easy to quantify but this is the best way to view it in my opinion

So watching the scene, this is what I think the movie is trying to say. Keep in mind this obviously violates multiple physics principles

-They enter from the entrance, Kong swings for a bit before free falling towards the centre of the Earth due to gravity
-They pass through the Hollow Earth's boundary, and suddenly gravity "inverts" to being outwards (towards the surface of the Hollow Earth) instead of inwards
-However since they were originally free falling, they have a velocity in the direction against the surface of the Hollow Earth
-Hence, they decelerate at a high magnitude, hence the "1000 miles in 2 seconds"
-After they were thrown 1000 miles we see that the ship stops and Kong and the ship suddenly starts falling in the other direction, which is the gravitational inversion

So it isn't really the ship being crushed by the weight of a planet (that's not how gravity works lol), but it was subject to a force of 1.61 billion Newtons (assuming it weighs 2 tonnes, about a heavy car).

A nice lifting strength feat for Kong crushing it, but worth nothing regarding AP.

 

[Hellbeast]

That reminds me
What would Kong ripping Mecha Goji's spine yield?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Actually wait no I take that back it might not be useless AP wise since Kong was subject to that gravitational inversion too.

Acceleration is 804 500 m/s^2 since 1000 miles in 2 seconds. Hence the initial velocity is 1 609 000 m/s. Kong is 102 m tall and by comparing that to his Skull Island height and weight via Square Cube Law we have 4 775 379.16381 kg,

(0.5*4775379.16381*1609000^2)/2 = 3.0907221e18 Joules (technically it's Watts), 738.70 megatons

Respectable supporting feat

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

That reminds me
What would Kong ripping Mecha Goji's spine yield?

Hmmn I'm not sure since I presume he's made of some super durable metal

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Are there any cool feats in the new comics if anyone’s read them? Also I made an edit here to my calc for Ghidorah’s storm push (because there were a few issues with cloud height) which is still nearly 500 gigatons. This means if there is a downgrade it probably wouldn’t be by much because Ghidorah is scaling off of moving the storm rather than creating it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Did he physically push the storm?

 

[KieranH10]

He created it and it moved around the globe with him as he flew iirc.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Did he physically push the storm?

I think so. They say in the movie that no storm moves that fast and the implication is very much that Ghidorah moves it as he flys via magic/rule of cool/some weird pseudoscience BS.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well regardless we should replace the Godzilla calc with the correct version, and move it further back in the explanation to signal that it is a supporting feat

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Well regardless we should replace the Godzilla calc with the correct version, and move it further back in the explanation to signal that it is a supporting feat

What about Kong lifting strength feat you mentioned?

Which level could it be?

And also should we add it to the profile?

 

[1000TonsofFun]

So is Ghidorah’s High 6-c feat getting added to his profile?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Did he physically push the storm?

As far as I remember, and based on what others said, the storm that Ghidorah was producing came about just by him flying about and existing and whenever it moves the storm follows him

 

[1000TonsofFun]

As far as I remember, and based on what others said, the storm that Ghidorah was producing came about just by him flying about and existing and whenever it moves the storm follows him

If it followed him he’d still physically move it though.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@1000TonsofFun yes I'm aware that he moved the storm, I just wanted to add that the storm came from Ghidorah just being around to add reason to why it scales to Ghidorah

 

[1000TonsofFun]

@1000TonsofFun yes I'm aware that he moved the storm, I just wanted to add that the storm came from Ghidorah just being around to add reason to why it scales to Ghidorah

Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

It's cool, though it's pretty consistent IIRC because when Ghidorah first awoke in Antarctica it immediately caused a storm to appear and it subsided when Ghidorah left after fighting Godzilla

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Actually yes that is the case, because in the scene where Rodan awakens one of the characters (Sam Coleman, Thomas Middleditch's character) says this and to quote from the movie:
"Guys, you remember that tropical storm where we lost Monster Zero? It's changing direction and uh, guess where it's headed now(Brazil)?" and then we see clear as day that Ghidorah is in the center of the storm and moving alongside him which definitely means that Ghidorah's storm is not just environmental destruction
Edit: I wanted to also say that in the same scene, Dr. Ilene Chen makes the observation that it isn't merely just a storm and when they use the tracker on the ship they see Ghidorah/Monster Zero at the center of it

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Actually yes that is the case, because in the scene where Rodan awakens one of the characters (Sam Coleman, Thomas Middleditch's character) says this and to quote from the movie:
"Guys, you remember that tropical storm where we lost Monster Zero? It's changing direction and uh, guess where it's headed now(Brazil)?" and then we see clear as day that Ghidorah is in the center of the storm and moving alongside him which definitely means that Ghidorah's storm is not just environmental destruction

Agree

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What about Kong lifting strength feat you mentioned?

Which level could it be?

And also should we add it to the profile?

The lifting strength is Class M which fits his current rating.

I'll put it in a blog for evaluation later.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

If Ghidorah's storms are AP applicable doesn't he have better feats? Or is that a recalc of this?

MonsterVerse - King Ghidorah feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[KieranH10]

Ghidorah's Storm is a very clear case of Environmental Destruction, it is completely non-combat applicable and cannot be used to harm opponents. Ghidorah has little reason to scale physically.
See Environmental Destruction and here's the thread where this has already been discussed and concluded.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I think that they meant that he physically pushed the storm

 

[KieranH10]

I'm fine with the KE calc, but his storm creation feat is Environmental Destruction.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I mean weren't the storms being generated from Ghidorah's energy and flight? Can't really argue about it being environmental destruction since I know not about that stuff, but the movie does seem to imply that the storms are being generated from Ghidorah

 

[1000TonsofFun]

If Ghidorah's storms are AP applicable doesn't he have better feats? Or is that a recalc of this?

MonsterVerse - King Ghidorah feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

No this calc is storm creation the other one was storm movement

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

You know I watched Godzilla 2014 for the first time a few weeks ago, and I have to wonder why the military thought that nukes were a viable option against the MUTO's when they explicitly feed off of radiation unless they assumed the explosion itself would kill them but I doubt it would've killed them

 

[1000TonsofFun]

You know I watched Godzilla 2014 for the first time a few weeks ago, and I have to wonder why the military thought that nukes were a viable option against the MUTO's when they explicitly feed off of radiation unless they assumed the explosion itself would kill them but I doubt it would've killed them

I think they say in the movie that the blast would kill them. It’s a lot of the reason why they scale from nuclear blasts

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I think they say in the movie that the blast would kill them. It’s a lot of the reason why they scale from nuclear blasts

That could be what they were implying I guess, I just think in the heat of the moment that kind of idea sounds a bit stupid