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Then clearly people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stonesI think she has logic. It's not nice saying this kind of things to people.
Why would someone live in a glass house??Then clearly people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
https://vsbattles.com/threads/minor-mario-downgrades.147068/post-5355866literally what stones have i ever thrown at you
This isn’t a headcanon ordeal. This is two games that have a specific death condition be a black hole in every single stage. Black holes Mario is consistently affected by. There’s even one within the story he is completely affected by and blatantly cannot resist. And one in the final boss of SMG2 that he is also affected by. Meanwhile MP6 has one single black hole mini game and that’s literally it. If black holes were not intended to be dangerous to Mario, he would not have been almost killed by one at the end of Galaxy 1, they would not have been used as the kill method for falling offstage in every stage, and he would not have been pulled in by one during the final boss of Galaxy 2. Mario is consistently shown to be affected by the pull of black holes and has a single feat of the contrary. It is the definition of inconsistent and an outlier, and should not be included.Wow, making a double standard that fits your favor but has about as much weight as "miyamoto clearly intended this to be the case" type head cannon to explain away game mechanic based deaths. Seriously stop arguing at this point, you have no real anti-feats and continuing on at this point is honestly sad to watch.
oh okay that's good, i was worried i'd accidentally said something actually offensive
please god deliver me from this hellI think at this point we need mods to start giving their opinions on this
Surviving doesn't equal tanking, you can survive a tsunami without tanking the wave. Don't blame me for the abstract wording on the profile.That isn't even true, the page says he has it from SURVIVING black holes lol
not gonna lie, you kinda got me scratchin head with that oneSurviving doesn't equal tanking, you can survive a tsunami without tanking the wave. Don't blame me for the abstract wording on the profile.
That's cause "surviving" can interpreted in different ways depending on the context.not gonna lie, you kinda got me scratchin head with that one
Same here. I agree with the OP.I share the same opinion as @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
Are you under the influence?Epic battle fantasy literally has blackholes with either ludicrous damage or straight instant death and characters still have resistances to it, your nonsensically trying to raise the bar on what counts as resistance or not. Most of your points have either been countered with either on wiki scailing or small time calculations which you never even tried putting a single measurements to a single blackhole you mentioned to point out anything mathematically substantial to say it's factually inconsistent.
Seriously come up with a better argument, you pretty much going down hill at this point.
That same blackhole in the story was created from the loss in stability from the Grand Star which upscale from the powerstars which create blackholes like this which actually has a calc unlike the MP6 Blackhole which doesn't even have one, and the blackhole in SMG1 literally took a whole army of lumas to stop it and lumas can even birth new entrie galaxies. Which at this point already draws a pretty big line that Blackholes in SMG1 have way stronger creditable scailing behind it than your point on MP6 being anywhere close in scale to it.
Why are you using the scan that is being argued again qualifying, along with that black hole not really showing realistic properties.The one in galaxy 1/2 could also be a more powerful black hole. Furthermore, he was endangered by it, but its not explicitly confirmed he would die to it. Barely surviving a black hole is enough for black hole resistance.
Your comment contradicts itself, and they are literally outside of it, they are being drawn in, yes, but they are not inside it.
No, he doesn't, what, they literally go inside it, and it suddenly collapses (makes zero sense btw) and spits them out (what I said before).Does this "Mario still dies to blackholes" premise still even work. cause Mario still "dies" to a blackhole in MP6
If that is the reason why Mario got it, then he never should've got it in the first place, because that is just LS + Speed at most, nothing more.so using SMG1 as a page of anti-feats doesn't make sense cause Mario resistance isn't from tanking a blackhole like Bowser, Mario gets his from being able to against the gravitational pull which is practically the lowest form of a resistance that doesn't garinty you don't die.
He literally can't even swim out, what, if someone goes into the black hole during the minigame, they can't get out, they lose.But if your suspension of disbelief is literally that high to not even belief Mario even has minor resistances to blackholes just from out swimming it then so be it.
I agree nonetheless
Well I honestly question the resistance for everyone but bowser, given the black hole not being that realistic, but ehthe black hole resistance can also be axed from Luigi's as well, since he's playable in both galaxy games
I think you need 2 staff agreements for this to go through, no?Yeah it should be removed from Luigi too, good catch.
Is one staff agreement here enough or should we call some more?
First of all, the black holes that can affect Mario in SMG are regularly much smaller than the one in MP6, so the higher suction/gravity argument doesn't apply. Secondly, why is Mario dying to a black hole game mechanics, but him surviving it in a party game not? Realistically speaking, if it "killed" him, there wouldn't be any game to play anymore, which is obviously something the developers want to avoid.But as for the black hole example or just calling it an outlier. Most of the "Anti-Feats" are commonly seen game mechanics and about as consistent as basically every video game character dying from pits or from water. Also, it's important to note resistance =/= immunity which the anti-feats given are legit and especially the plot point in Galaxy 1 are proof that he isn't immune, but it doesn't disprove that he can resist black hole pulls to an extent. Some black holes are bigger and have stronger suctions and the Mario bros consistently demonstrated the ability to resist a pull of a black hole and delay the process. Delaying a black hole's pull is still resistance to the pull of a black hole and at minimum a resistance to extreme gravity. Which shouldn't be ignored outright and resistance to high gravity is consistent for other reasons. Some change in details I do not mind or making the resistance to black holes fairly limited I do not mind, but he has solid resistance none of the less.
Black hole resistance is specifically for resisting the forces something would experience within the event horizon of a black hole rather than its gravitational pull, something Mario does not withstand and is threatened by repeatedly.But as for the black hole example or just calling it an outlier. Most of the "Anti-Feats" are commonly seen game mechanics and about as consistent as basically every video game character dying from pits or from water. Also, it's important to note resistance =/= immunity which the anti-feats given are legit and especially the plot point in Galaxy 1 are proof that he isn't immune, but it doesn't disprove that he can resist black hole pulls to an extent. Some black holes are bigger and have stronger suctions and the Mario bros consistently demonstrated the ability to resist a pull of a black hole and delay the process. Delaying a black hole's pull is still resistance to the pull of a black hole and at minimum a resistance to extreme gravity. Which shouldn't be ignored outright and resistance to high gravity is consistent for other reasons. Some change in details I do not mind or making the resistance to black holes fairly limited I do not mind, but he has solid resistance none of the less.
Oh come on, the burden of proof was on you to prove the party games are game mechanics. I already showed proof of the SMG1 blackholes being more consistent death barriers rather than gravitational pull. Also that "Developer's intent" line can go both ways, I can say the developers didn't intend for the blackholes in SMG1 to have any realistic gravitational pull and for the blackholes to be more death barrier related obstacles for mario.First of all, the black holes that can affect Mario in SMG are regularly much smaller than the one in MP6, so the higher suction/gravity argument doesn't apply. Secondly, why is Mario dying to a black hole game mechanics, but him surviving it in a party game not?
As others said, getting killed via falling off pits is game mechanics and there are cutscenes that shows survive falling from orbit to not harm the Mario cast and those aren't game mechanics. The SMG series black holes are intended to be the Galaxy series version of pits from classic Mario titles, so that's the general basics. I wouldn't call characters being able to swim just fine game mechanics if they have been shown to drown instantly in other games of the respective franchise. The one at the end of Galaxy 1 was one that was big enough to engulf the entire galaxy/universe (Depending on translation), so not really an anti-feat against Black Hole BoogieSecondly, why is Mario dying to a black hole game mechanics, but him surviving it in a party game not? Realistically speaking, if it "killed" him, there wouldn't be any game to play anymore, which is obviously something the developers want to avoid.
@Starter_Pack @Armorchompy @EficienteGotcha, in that case if Mav is still here she should call some more staff :v
I’m pretty sure we have unlimited underwater breathing even with the contradicting depictions of how long the characters can survive underwater lolAs others said, getting killed via falling off pits is game mechanics and there are cutscenes that shows survive falling from orbit to not harm the Mario cast and those aren't game mechanics. The SMG series black holes are intended to be the Galaxy series version of pits from classic Mario titles, so that's the general basics. I wouldn't call characters being able to swim just fine game mechanics if they have been shown to drown instantly in other games of the respective franchise. The one at the end of Galaxy 1 was one that was big enough to engulf the entire galaxy/universe (Depending on translation), so not really an anti-feat against Black Hole Boogie
Furthermore, it was also brought up that even simply being as close to a black hole as the Mario cast was without getting sucked would require resistance to some extremely potent gravity, like millions of billions of G's roughly. Also, there is Bowser who has survived black holes in the series. And Bowser also launches himself out of a black hole quite regularly in Bowser's Inside Story.