Tanks the recoil of a railgun, but he's still clearly affected.
Man, you're seriously using recoil as a debunk for LS in a SHOOTING GAME, this has to be the most disengenuous shit I've seen in a while
It's literally a game mechanic that depending on your loadout your stamina depletes faster in MGS3
Don't even have to debunk this, you did it, it's a GAME MECHANIC. The wight of the weapons doesn't come up in MGS1, MGS2, only as a gameplay mechanic in MGS3, MGS4, Peace Walker and MGS5, this is an absolute non-argument
Dramatic Framing is the reason that happens out of universe, but unless you're implying Snake willingly sat there with a Jeep on his nuts to make the whole scene cooler, it's not a usable explaination. And we don't know how he does it, so saying he did it effortlessly is a bit of a stretch, odds are he and Meryl pushed it away together just barely enough to escape it, it's not flipped over or anything.
It is actually, just like PIS is an external reason, so is dramatic framing, both can be used to explain away something it they are appropriate; and I mean,
we can clearly see that Snake doesn't even try and get out of there after the first push, he's very cool throughout the whole ordeal, so I don't know what to tell you. In the end, what we know is that Snake got out right after and that he stopped trying to get out immediately after the first try when Liquid approached him, this is hardly an anti-feat at all.
You can literally run over The Man on Fire and knock him into water to beat him, that also canonically pins him down for a while in the hospital mission. However, if you run him over in the fight, but don't knock him into water, he'll get up immediately, which implies what he struggled with was pushing the tank(? was it a tank? i don't remember, but it was a vehicle) away, not that he was knocked out by it.
I- wow, the amount of pure, unadulterated assumption here. 1 What the **** does "getting ran over" have to do with Lifting Strength exactly? 2 The Tank """pinned him down""" for a grand total of 20 seconds, and since the tank outright explodes, we can say that TMOF wasn't even trying to lift it at all. 3 it can 100% be just that the impact stunned him (knocked out isn't the appropriate term here) since right after this
Big Boss stuns him for about the same amount of time by running him over with an ambulance. Everything indicated that TMOF was simply briefly stunned and wasn't struggling with lifting it, because EVEN IF he couldn't lift the tank, why not "explode it" like he did right after getting ran over? The only logical explaination is that he was briefly stunned
And yes, if the strength that is used by a single character twice is thousands of times higher than what is normally shown, that is a little sus.
But you haven't provided a single full-exhertion feat for Snake, so there's no "normally shown" to compare the Class M stuff to, what are you talking about?
Fox has no reason to resist Snake moving his arm, because even if he did prevent him from twisting his arm at all, Snake would still throw him (it might make it easier in fact), and Fox knows that, because they've already fought, and he likely recognized that move
Are we in headcanon town and nobody told me? We went from "he was stunned, he couldn't resist" to "he wouldn't resist because he knows that that particular throw would be easier if he opposed resistance", this alone should tell you that maybe it's best to drop this and admit that Snake scales to Gray Fox. Furthermore, if we actually look at the throw, we clearly see that had Gray Fox resisted Snake's "arm bending", Snake wouldn't have had enough leverage on him to throw him away,
just look at this, had Gray Fox resisted, Snake wouldn't have been able to push him with the entirety of his torso, which most likely would have meant that Snake wouldn't have been able to throw him.
You are literally arguing these characters scale in LS solely because a dubiously canon game shows one moving the other's arm in a takedown that has nothing to do with arm-twisting.
No, I'm arguing these character scale in LS because they had just been in a hand to hand battle to the death and one of them would canonically use a fighting style that revolves entirely around grabs and throws. The very idea of Snake not even scaling to Gray Fox can only come about if you are nitpicking and going out of your way to NOT have Snake scale, because for any sane human being, being told that two characters "fought an hand to hand battle to the death" would be enough to say that "mhh, maybe it's not that likely that one is a million times stronger than the other, especially when it's the loser between the two"; the fact that Gray Fox would canonically use CQC is simply what seals the deal, there's no way Snake could have fought him without being at least comparable in Lifting Strength
If Fox was strong enough to resist that blow, he would have grabbed the leg, instead of getting hit.
Absolute non-argument, you don't dictate what Gray Fox should have done, you saying that "he could have done this" is not an argument.
So Fox is barely able to resist a casual stomp from REX, and unable or at least unwilling to try and block a stronger one.
And where did you even gather this from? Man, you're just in your own mental universe where Gray Fox dodging an attack means that he couldn't have blocked it, what's up with people assuming that just because a character dodges an attack it means that he cannot tank it.
It's not a matter of the opposition doing it or not, the calculation is invalid no matter what. Heck, since you're the one who's pushing for 8-C, you should get someone to do the calc.
We're working on it, what I'm saying is that the opposition is yet to present a single feat, and we currently have 1 8-B to 8-C calc for Snake on his profile
