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Meliodas and Zeldris vs Asta and Yuno

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Arkenis said:
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I see
 
Arkenis said:
im just showing him what the ability does lol wdym.
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It isn’t really how ON works i’ll explain it one more Time cause you are the daddy

Ominous nebulae doesn’t necessarily involve darkness.
Zeldris can use his sword
In fact you’ll see after the upgrade that darkness coated weapons count as enchantments (10x amp) for now it is only regarded as a range amp and something more solid since the darkness of their body is more solid than their base durability
 
Arkenis said:
😭 What does that even show?
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That he doesn’t need to use darkness to use ON
He can but it isn’t an obligation Just an amp
Also it doesn’t matter since Darkness won’t be dispelled by Asta but i prefer to show everything so nothing will be ignored again
 
For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.

The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.

1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.

2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.

3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.




These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:

1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".

2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.

Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.

Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.

3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.


@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now. Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflection if it is true and it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.




SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID

Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.

Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.

Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.

Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.




So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.

The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.

1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.

2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.

3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.




These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:

1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".

2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.

Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.

Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.

3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.


@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now. Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflection if it is true and it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.




SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID

Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.

Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.

Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.

Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.




So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
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At this point it becomes sad to see
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.

The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.

1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.

2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.

3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.




These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:

1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".

2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.

Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.

Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.

3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.


@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now. Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflection if it is true and it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.




SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID

Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.

Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.

Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.

Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.




So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
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Asta & Yuno FRA. Almost clear as day that darkness is magic.
 
For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.

The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.

1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.

2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.

3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.
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This is a pretty clear exemple of What We’Ve been through for days i quite litteraly wrote a book and the admin in charge of the closing litteraly told We were not allowed to argue again but ig that if you can Go against rules i will too to respond to you


Arnoldstone18 said:
Black Clover Wincon:

  • Asta negs their magic and spams attacks on them till they die. Yuno can assist by also spamming attacks on both of them simultaneously.
  • Asta negates their attempts to nullify Yuno’s magic, Yuno spams attacks on them till they die.
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Here is what you said earlier as a win condition
As stated by the destroyer type page they use Natural elements not « natural mana » or anything related to magic
Negative Energy Also null Yuno we’ve went through this a lot and your argument was using Asta’s Anti magic to say it can null feelings and use it to null NE (Which obviously nulls Yuno since you Also said that Anti magic supersedes everything in fiction that is related to magic even though it’s layered)
1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type.
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Said page blatantly say Destroyer type is the use of Natural elements and Darkness and i’ve already shown a good chunk of why i ain’t magic
In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic.
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Do you are Using this scan again…
1) As i’ve explained a few billion times this ain’t Darkness it’s litteraly called dark energy and is not solid Darkness is the solid matter that compose the body of demons and can be infused with energy etc…
On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you.
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Still ain’t darkness the same profile in a most recent added content says the following Here (BTW i used this screenshot in the last message i posted about this debate you Just ignored it to give credit to the exact same profile so you will give the same credit even though it contradict your stance)
In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period.
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AHAHAHAHAH This one is pure gold he Litteraly used the scans From this part of the profile i’ll quote
Attack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks[2][3][4][5][6][7] and amplify them many times[8][9][10][11][12]. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical darkness [5], lightning[7] and even King's disaster which is a invisbile and homing attacks
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He basically IGNORED one more Time everything except what goes in his direction first of all darkness is blatantly stated to be non magical (i made a 500 lines essay explaining why in the last authorized argument related message)

It can Also reflect natural lightning

And invisible things blablabla

Arnold you know that We can see the profiles so cropping and cherry picking points is just lying to someone that already knows the truth i’ve shown this part of the profile btw that’s pretty weird to use it while knowing i know about it
Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda.
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Pretty much isn’t them existing is a proof in itself since their body is composed of darkness and produce darkness during their first appearance With 0 magic power (due to the goddess seal) Grayroad a demon made of darkness existed
Derrierie isn’t naked and have darkness Galand fly with darkness Melascula has her darkness coat
Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying.
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Pretty famous scene in Which He counts the number of jump to cover the distance to Camelot to see if time had effects on his performance cropping it isn’t really a good argument

it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author.
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Not really you Just cropped the profiles to be dishonest
Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".
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Because We don’t need to use headcanon for things that are shown

as i said earlier Merlin couldn’t do shit against the darkness even with PC réflexion and absolute cancel that cancel all magic (since it ain’t magic she can’t do anything and i already talked about it earlier ahah)


2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.
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One of your link shows Cuzack stating said humans can’t CROSS SWORDS with them
Which is pretty obviously related to sword abilities
Your first link is one more time an attempt to bias the context since you have full knowledge of the scene and you know they’ve only became serious Once in the fight provoking intense fear
They were testing him and are blatantly stated to be able to doggystyle Arthur in terms of swordfights


Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat.
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And as i said i wasn’t agreeing with the used feats tho it wasn’t the main skill point at all

Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword.
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Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions
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i’ll quote the profile

Precognition and Instinctive Reaction via Dance of Avidya (A technique created by a blind swordsman, capable of countering any and all manner of surprise attacks),
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It is
and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.
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Already adressed this bs

Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force
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Which is precog same precog they are narratively implied to be able to bypass in terms of swords skills
and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance.
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You’ve made this circular statement a hundred times ignoring What We previously established about him getting nullified
Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves.
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LMAO didn’t he have another form of precog + it ain’t something He uses often From What i remember and it also ain’t really of use + said barrage is like 6 attacks
It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship.
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You Just ignored the context of the panels you used
In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against.
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Thought the experience argument was bad but if you want to We can cite Meliodas and Zel fighting their father that has over a billion years of age
Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts.
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Magna doesn’t even use his invisible ones at he end and Asta stated he was able to read the normal ones perfectly

Mel can copy a technique after looking at it once Which became Trillion darkness in the next showing of it

Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.
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All it means is that We do not count amps prior to the equalized form if i understand correctly
Negative energy amps them passively at the same rate it amped skelletons except hundreds of skelletons went from not being able to do shit to sins lvl in a few seconds of exposition to negative energy and Mel and Zel aren’t a hundred characters to fuel in negative energy they don’t need to divi

3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them.
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FC is despite using virtually 0 magic but i never argued for it
Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them.
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He can’t NE can cover hundreds of meters to kilometers of range
Asta can’t null feelings
Asta would null Yuno by nulling NE
If Asta tries to let Yuno some space NE will cover said space nulling Yuno

Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.
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Not while being nulled

@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen.
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And i’ve taken care of all your bs about darkness + they don’t need a head they need their hearts to live + Asta can’t null physicals + they produce darkness inside their body
Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now.
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It is Zel’s sword movements + funny how i showed ON while you showed Full React + Since Asta cannot null darkness it doesn’t change
Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflection if it is true and it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap.
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Perfect cube Also reflect magic it would not affect darkness that isn’t magic
Absolute cancel is a part of her kit and she can’t do anything to pass through lol
Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm.
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This is outdated info cursed by light shows Elisabeth needing protection against it too
According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted.
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It isn’t Elisabeth had to protect too and even basic demons exude enough to not die From miasma Makai’s miasma isn’t the strongest at all

You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page.
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Because the page have the feat…
The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.
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How isn’t it combat applicable when it litteraly was during a fight Arnold could you make an effort please



SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID
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I adressed everything
 
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Done i’ve added the scans of the revival in which the ten commandments have 0 magical power (Arnold knows this)
And Grayroad a demon made of darkness exist
Derrierie isn’t naked (And darkness cover the parts that needs to be covered)
Melasculla has her darkness coat

Demon’s darkness is inside their body it’s a physical trait him blatantly ignoring the profiles that state this:
Attack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks[2][3][4][5][6][7] and amplify them many times[8][9][10][11][12]. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical darkness [5], lightning[7] and even King's disaster which is a invisbile and homing attacks
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He litteraly used the statements From this line and took it out to bias everything that’s what i would call a lie and an obvious bias We are searching for truth in these VS threads him lying and getting things From the profile cropping them to cherry pick is one of the worst things i know and i think it could be banned since ppl can be banned for month because they are « bad debaters » like Speedster that a lot of People seems to miss out there even though he has some mid behaviors i think it’s not worse than lying to people to win something that will not even be on profiles and still getting stomped
 
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Dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as just “not reading” isn’t the approach I’d personally take but you do you
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Mhhh Using a link From the profile where it says « non magical darkness » to say it’s magical isn’t the approach i’d personally take but you do you

Ignoring the same link that says « Full Counter reflects natural elements like lightning » to use FC to say « oh darkness is magic » isn’t the approach i’d personally take but you do you

Ignoring the revival and the fact That Grayroad is darkness that Melascula has her darkness coat and Derrierie has her darkness to Hide her boobies to say « it’s an outlier to see them flying with darkness with 0 magic » isn’t the approach i’d personally take but you do you

All these things are not From me but from Arnold that ignored everything i’ve said and repeated that’s litteraly visible in the big essay i wrote responding his points he might’ve red but chose to ignore it like He chose to ignore the profiles and the lore Using scans that aren’t even related to the point and that we’ve explained many times
 
I read your points and Arnold’s points, including looking at the scans for both (was especially helpful on the NNT end since I’m not as familiar with NNT)

I still voted for Asta and Yuno
 
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