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Meliodas and Zeldris vs Asta and Yuno

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Qawsedf234 said:
Okay before I do that, is this an actual approved upgrade or a upgrade trying to be pushed through that's still being debated?
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It’s something that will be posted in a few days to a week depending on What We add

A big chunk of new abilities are already pushed and waiting for more opinions
 
mel and zeldris reasons
1- darkness isnt magic BUT CAN BE USED WITH IT... so even if asta negates they can still use demon darkness
2- ZEL god should negate yuno same with full counter
3- they got demonic regen neither asta or yuno can regen
4- they got years of experience far more than asta/yuno
 
Makai64100 said:
Up to ? They are at least mid-High


Yuno gets nulled by NE can’t attack GOD Zel have DM2 and passive amps From negative energy and miasma
And can use his rage amp


Not if He gets nulled


Asta can null mana based things not natural things Just like when he null natural mana Which is still… mana


They aren’t especially while attracted and tiered down to pieces by ON


We’Ve explained and shown how ON would render speed useless anyway
Same goes for his predictions
Danse of Avidia is considered Precog yet would have 0 effects on Mel and Zel




He can’t null physicals his spam of attacks will be rendered useless by ON’s forcefield

Yuno is nulled and attracted/Cut down to ribbons

He can’t negate feelings and would null Yuno while trying to avoid him getting nullified if He tries to give him space NE will fill said space + God is on Zeldris inside of ON it wouldn’t work


That’s basically false

NNT wincons:

Ominous Nebulae a vortex created by Zeldris swordskills (it doesn’t need darkness)

Negative energy to null Yuno (It null any type of magic and amps too Merlin couldn’t do shit against it)

God that grant immunity to magic to Zel and is applied to his body so no mana zone would affect him (Here)

Miasma would alter instantly their vital functions weakening them if they have Resistance
Killing them if they don’t (Here and here)

Darkness isn’t considered as magic it’s a part of the demons physiology that is Also a way to recognize Destroyer types that aren’t magic but Natural elements users unlike BC Natural MANA users
Darkness is Basically the demons body it’s like new limbs or Additional limbs they can use cause it’s their body
Therefore Darkness can’t be nullified Merlin couldn’t use perfect cube to affect Darkness since it ain’t magic and couldn’t use her absolute cancel either
The profiles states it ain’t magic

Mel and Zel can spam attacks too can bypass Precog and IR (Danse of Avidia Precognition and Instinctive Reaction via Dance of Avidya A technique created by a blind swordsman, capable of countering any and all manner of surprise attacks)

Zel has ranged IR (With Full react)

He can Also seal magic with god (Here)

Darkness has a counsciousness and limited IR is applied to it already (Limited Instinctive Reaction (No-sells a slash from Hellbram due to his darkness seems to move by itself in order to protect him[32])

Their senses cannot be thrown out (Purgatory has no effects on them they can fight despite senses being irrelevant in here)

They have rage amps and AD sufficient to blitz and one tap/harm severely people that were stronger than them to the point of one shotting the fusion of 2 characters individually superior to Zel (Mael one taps OD Zel is easily dominated up to the point of his rage boost where he blitz Mael)

They have the AP advantage and passive amps that help

Can weaken the ennemy with a ranged poison secreted by their body and kill them if they don’t resist

Their fire don’t need to touch to kill it upscale to Mid morning Escanor 60k+ degrees feat from meters

Their regen is Mid High they resist regen negation up to Mid high (Look at the physiology page)

Mel and Zel are far more skilled combat wise he admitted that and didn’t even know anything about the verse
He thinks a few AD feats would give them the win
While Mel have AD too and not only can he copy techniques instantly but he also upgrade them (in profiles)
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I added a few scans
 
Zezu1995 said:
mel and zeldris reasons
1- darkness isnt magic BUT CAN BE USED WITH IT... so even if asta negates they can still use demon darkness
2- ZEL god should negate yuno same with full counter
3- they got demonic regen neither asta or yuno can regen
4- they got years of experience far more than asta/yuno
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No more arguments they said (+ i spammed this it was ignored)
 
VsReferee said:
BC is strong but cmon.. Untouchable Asta only has to tank one good hit which drastically lowers his chances to keep up.. Asta would be killed by Dante if Yami didnt save him. So why is Arnold assuming that Asta predicts literally everything and even easily beats Meldris in even 2v1?
Meldris with instant amp can one tap Asta. Zeldris with god won't get damaged from Yuno spamming magic with manazone.
Meliodas would be able to react (although he could get hit a few times but adapts). Even Galand could react to Merlin's teleport.
If Meldris instantly amps, it's near impossible for the BC brothers to protect each other or even themselves if they can't amp instantly like them..

Even if Asta can neg Meldris body by cutting off an arm for example, Meldris can still win.
Meldris sees the effects of anti magic, so he decides to instantly amp the moment they clash and one tap..

I vote NNT
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Stop arguing We have to close it in the most pacifist manner
 
Makai64100 said:
What is grace already ?
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7 votes for one side that's by a margin of 3 or greater.
  • For a verdict, there must be at least seven votes in favor of one character/team, with a minimum difference of three votes. Some examples:
    • A final vote tally of 6-0 will be considered invalid.
    • A final vote tally of 7-0 will be considered valid.
    • A final vote tally of 7-4 will be considered valid.
    • A final vote tally of 7-5 will be considered invalid.
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First: Zeldris and Meliodas are gonna become 6-A/High 6-A, this match would need to be redone or remove from the profiles if added

Second, Speedster can´t vote, he can´t participate in matches, that means no voting

Third: Hello there
 
First: Zeldris and Meliodas are gonna become 6-A/High 6-A, this match would need to be redone or remove from the profiles if added
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That’s what I said but y’all ignored as long as NNT wasn’t defended

Second, Speedster can´t vote, he can´t participate in matches, that means no voting
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Idk about this we have 8 or 9 votes even without him
Third: Hello there
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yo i finished YYH yesterday damn your pfp is the goat
 
Makai64100 said:
That’s what I said but y’all ignored as long as NNT wasn’t defended
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I did not participate here (or minimal participation, I only talked about true magic) because I see it absurd to argue when they are in reality high 6-A and the verse needs to be upgraded with the CTR


Makai64100 said:
yo i finished YYH yesterday damn your pfp is the goat
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Ty, I only hope you did at least like the lazy ending with the rushed tournament
 
I did not participate here (or minimal participation, I only talked about true magic) because I see it absurd to argue when they are in reality high 6-A and the verse needs to be upgraded with the CTR
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Yeah most of these vs threads should be closed

Ty, I only hope you did at least like the lazy ending with the rushed tournament
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It was rushed but I liked it still
this work is so chill and the ending music is insane
 
Makai64100 said:
Up to ? They are at least mid-High


Yuno gets nulled by NE can’t attack GOD Zel have DM2 and passive amps From negative energy and miasma
And can use his rage amp


Not if He gets nulled


Asta can null mana based things not natural things Just like when he null natural mana Which is still… mana


They aren’t especially while attracted and tiered down to pieces by ON


We’Ve explained and shown how ON would render speed useless anyway
Same goes for his predictions
Danse of Avidia is considered Precog yet would have 0 effects on Mel and Zel




He can’t null physicals his spam of attacks will be rendered useless by ON’s forcefield

Yuno is nulled and attracted/Cut down to ribbons

He can’t negate feelings and would null Yuno while trying to avoid him getting nullified if He tries to give him space NE will fill said space + God is on Zeldris inside of ON it wouldn’t work


That’s basically false

NNT wincons:

Ominous Nebulae a vortex created by Zeldris swordskills (it doesn’t need darkness)

Negative energy to null Yuno (It null any type of magic and amps too Merlin couldn’t do shit against it)

God that grant immunity to magic to Zel and is applied to his body so no mana zone would affect him (Here)

Miasma would alter instantly their vital functions weakening them if they have Resistance
Killing them if they don’t (Here and here)

Darkness isn’t considered as magic it’s a part of the demons physiology that is Also a way to recognize Destroyer types that aren’t magic but Natural elements users unlike BC Natural MANA users
Darkness is Basically the demons body it’s like new limbs or Additional limbs they can use cause it’s their body
Therefore Darkness can’t be nullified Merlin couldn’t use perfect cube to affect Darkness since it ain’t magic and couldn’t use her absolute cancel either
The profiles states it ain’t magic

Mel and Zel can spam attacks too can bypass Precog and IR (Danse of Avidia Precognition and Instinctive Reaction via Dance of Avidya A technique created by a blind swordsman, capable of countering any and all manner of surprise attacks)

Zel has ranged IR (With Full react)

He can Also seal magic with god (Here)

Darkness has a counsciousness and limited IR is applied to it already (Limited Instinctive Reaction (No-sells a slash from Hellbram due to his darkness seems to move by itself in order to protect him[32])

Their senses cannot be thrown out (Purgatory has no effects on them they can fight despite senses being irrelevant in here)

They have rage amps and AD sufficient to blitz and one tap/harm severely people that were stronger than them to the point of one shotting the fusion of 2 characters individually superior to Zel (Mael one taps OD Zel is easily dominated up to the point of his rage boost where he blitz Mael)

They have the AP advantage and passive amps that help

Can weaken the ennemy with a ranged poison secreted by their body and kill them if they don’t resist

Their fire don’t need to touch to kill it upscale to Mid morning Escanor 60k+ degrees feat from meters

Their regen is Mid High they resist regen negation up to Mid high (Look at the physiology page)

Mel and Zel are far more skilled combat wise he admitted that and didn’t even know anything about the verse
He thinks a few AD feats would give them the win
While Mel have AD too and not only can he copy techniques instantly but he also upgrade them (in profiles)
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Zezu1995 said:
mel and zeldris reasons
1- darkness isnt magic BUT CAN BE USED WITH IT... so even if asta negates they can still use demon darkness
2- ZEL god should negate yuno same with full counter
3- they got demonic regen neither asta or yuno can regen
4- they got years of experience far more than asta/yuno
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Smh

My next post is going to be my final response.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I don't have an opinion at the moment. I was just asked to get the thread done rather than weigh in on it.
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I’m sorry mister admin but i’ll Go to sleep and if i see any new argument tomorrow i’ll have to respond 😩 (I might come back around 6 pm (in France) so around 10 EST if i’m not mistaken) see you tomorrow if grace isn’t already finished
 
Greatsage13th said:
About ominous nebulae, doesn't it use darkness that's propelled at extremely high speeds?
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