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Arent they talking about attacks?
Stated here to be magic, I thought this was the author.
I also used this very clear scan.
Attacks through magic and calls darkness an unnatural forceArent they talking about attacks?
I am confused. I understood from the manga that darkness attacks are magic but not the tangible darkness which they can use in any shape. That is just their biology.
Now in this thread the BC fans are trying to prove that their biology is magic (their body in other words). this means their body could be ereased out of existence with absolute cancel. Obviously not the case.
I think we should translate from the raw because I read this. This implies they all had 0 magic. Site. More sites have this translation. Can someone find the raws?
They used a magic item to read galands pl. That thing said 0. Why would galand be the only one with 0 magic? BC fans are now saying he depleted it somewhere off screen lol?
Zeldris saying they should take it easy is nothing weird. What if they rush and they meet the goddess race or strong people? The ones who rely on magic are (peeped)
I dont think their own body is magic. Asta wont neg their regen.
I may not react soon. Busy..
That doesn't mention the dark matter itself. It could be attacks with an element of darkness, like the flames of purgatory, which is clearly magical and dark.Attacks through magic and calls darkness an unnatural force
Yes, where can I find the raw scan?
I understood from the manga that darkness attacks are magic but not the tangible darkness which they can use in any shape. That is just their biology.
From evidence you presented I'm now leaning towards your interpretation.Obviously not the dark matter itself, but manipulating the dark matter is magic.
Still gotta know cause right now I’m thinking the Commandments just gradually recovered itOk so I have a question, I've read up to post Hendrikson demon fight, are demons just unable to regenerate their magic naturally? Is it just that they always need to eat souls or steal other's magic to replenish it?
From evidence you presented I'm now leaning towards your interpretation.
The only counterpoint I have for the NNT side would be that;
- Darkness itself or manipulating the darkness itself isn't magic as its part of their biology. If it was magic the demons like grayroad would be negged by stuff like counter vanish/ absolute cancel.
- Dark magic itself would be referring to things like hell blaze not the darkness itself
You keep saying generalization without highlighting how it is the case.Another hasty generalization grouping Galaand to others,
just because there is a statement 15 whole chapters after Galaand manifested wings doesn’t mean their magic has always been the same.
Zeldris confirms they still have some magic left by asking his comrades to take it easy, so it’s obvious that Galaand used up the little he had to fly and do other offscreen things.
unless you can provide scans of statements for Zeldris and the other demons immediately after the seal broken. Don’t bring this point up again.
Sure so their body is magic then Mel’s page litteraly says it’s not magical and it’s quite litteraly not but aye let’s rewrite NNT igObviously not the dark matter itself, but manipulating the dark matter is magic.
You straight up lied to everyone for a F&G topic damn
Stated here to be magic, I thought this was the author.
I also used this very clear scan.
You straight up lied to everyone for a F&G topic damn
Destroyer type is related to natural forces (Not magic then) and unnatural darkness (Not magic not natural)
Your panel is pretty much showing dark energy not darkness darkness is the solid matter that is considered as the demons body extensions you’ve never considered Asta as capable to nullify physicals therefore Darkness does not get nulled
If y’all think I lie go check Mel’s profile it’s indicated clearly that darkness isn’t considered as magic
How did I strawmanned them ?So tactic is to gaslight me into thinking I lied in a thread that isn’t even F&Gs and to strawman both clear scans without any counter scan of your own.
you ain’t fooling anyone other than NNT goons.
I won’t argue back and forth for another 3 days just for you to ignore basically everything I have too many threads to handle I won’t lose more time but I wanted to make sure everyone here read the profiles
I’ll re unwatch this Speedster don’t you dare spamming me with « Defend NNT with all your might »
Alright, for now, my take on this battle (assuming Asta is untouchable..):
Asta can neg Meldris attacks if darkness is magic, cool. Meldris will soon know this
NNT wincons:
BC win cons:
- Splitting Yuno and Asta from each other. Zeldris kills Yuno and eventually 1v1 or 2v1 against Asta. Or Asta is already killed by Meliodas.
- Assuming Asta is untouchable, zeldris or Meliodas can instantly amp themselves and one shot Asta. Zeldris can amp to DM1 and 2. Meliodas can amp to DM 1, 2 and Assault mode.
Honestly dont know..
I mean, how is Asta going to kill them in anyway?
Meldris:
Does Asta physically have enough strength to cut through them and destroy all their hearts?
- His body isn't magic
- Can heal
- Physically stronger
- Physically more durable (post purgatory Ban is durable enough to tank a stab from dk Meliodas). Dm2 Meliodas tanked slashes from prime DK zeldris and was still intact.
Magic types is the general name for the page they manipulate natural elements which isn’t magic and I explained it to you a few tens of timesUntil counter evidence is presented
- Destroyer Types are under Magic Types
You didn’t answer my question i’ll take that as a concession- Manipulating Darkness is considered Destroyer Types which are Magic Types
Which works through a different type of mana aka still magic- Anti Magic can negate True Magic (which manipulate natural and unatural elements)
They are 2 distinct things and while you cite his page- Meliodas manipulating darkness is known as dark magic and falls under the power of darkness on his page.
As stated a few billion times their body is made of darknessAttack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks[2][3][4][5][6][7] and amplify them many times[8][9][10][11][12]. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical darkness
So Asta can’t null physicals can’t null darkness and ON is sword skills and doesn’t even need darkness to be involved as specified a few billion times- Anti Magic can negate the power of Darkness: Which means Anti Magic can negate ON and Darkness Regeneration (the same way Asta negates Devil physiology based regeneration)
What concessionConcession accepted
No it’s factually not the profiles say otherwise the arguments say otherwise the manga say otherwiseThe preponderance of evidence is in my favor.
Thx good luck to you tooGood luck on future endeavors.
It was pretty toxic I advise you to read the entirety of the evidencesAlright, I was asked to close this thread due to toxicity (which isn't unreasonable I guess), but arguments have been presented so I don't want to do that since that would just be a complete waste of everyone's time.
I'll let a pro-BC person get one more response in and afterwards comments should be voting for which team is more likely to win.
BC is better so Asta winsI'll let apro-BC person get one more responsecounter argument in and afterwards comments should be voting for which team is more likely to win.
As for you
Anti magic can negate devil physiological regeneration which applies to NNT demons.
Asta and Yuno have amps of their own. Asta has Black Mode and he gets many times stronger and faster during battles. Yuno has spirit magic, Mana zone, can charge up attacks, and Spirit Dive amps + he gets many times stronger and faster during battle + his sword can absorbs some of their magic that’s lost in the air.
Splitting them is useless because Yuno can attack both of them simultaneously from anywhere within range thanks to Mana Zone.
While Asta is free to negate both their magic. Yuno is free to spam attacks on them.
So yes Asta and Yuno can easily adapt and cut Meliodas and Zeldris.
Ive shown you how Asta easily adapts to those faster than him, I’ve shown you that Asta can predict far better than they ever could.
Black Clover Wincon:
- Asta negs their magic and spams attacks on them till they die. Yuno can assist by also spamming attacks on both of them simultaneously.
- Asta negates their attempts to nullify Yuno’s magic, Yuno spams attacks on them till they die.
NNT wincons:
- None. They simply can’t touch them.
As for you
Up to ? They are at least mid-HighAnti magic can negate devil physiological regeneration which applies to NNT demons.
Yuno gets nulled by NE can’t attack GOD Zel have DM2 and passive amps From negative energy and miasmaAsta and Yuno have amps of their own. Asta has Black Mode and he gets many times stronger and faster during battles. Yuno has spirit magic, Mana zone, can charge up attacks, and Spirit Dive amps + he gets many times stronger and faster during battle + his sword can absorbs some of their magic that’s lost in the air.
Not if He gets nulledSplitting them is useless because Yuno can attack both of them simultaneously from anywhere within range thanks to Mana Zone.
Asta can null mana based things not natural things Just like when he null natural mana Which is still… manaWhile Asta is free to negate both their magic. Yuno is free to spam attacks on them.
They aren’t especially while attracted and tiered down to pieces by ONSo yes Asta and Yuno can easily adapt and cut Meliodas and Zeldris.
We’Ve explained and shown how ON would render speed useless anywayIve shown you how Asta easily adapts to those faster than him, I’ve shown you that Asta can predict far better than they ever could.
Black Clover Wincon:
He can’t null physicals his spam of attacks will be rendered useless by ON’s forcefieldAsta negs their magic and spams attacks on them till they die. Yuno can assist by also spamming attacks on both of them simultaneously.
He can’t negate feelings and would null Yuno while trying to avoid him getting nullified if He tries to give him space NE will fill said space + God is on Zeldris inside of ON it wouldn’t workAsta negates their attempts to nullify Yuno’s magic, Yuno spams attacks on them till they die.
That’s basically falseNNT wincons:
- None. They simply can’t touch them.
Asta is boundless and can negate the body of everyone no matter how layered and powerful (passively of course)Asta is omnipotent and untouchable
T’es beau mais NNT c’est mieux mon reuf aussi j’aurais peut être besoin de toi je vais sûrement créer un chat privé avec toiBC is better so Asta wins
now close this
I think before closing the topic, regardless of who wins. We need to clarify and prove some things. In a civilized way and without unnecessary fights.BC is better so Asta wins
now close this
Of course Seven deadly sinsI've let in the last argument. So like, no more post. Just quote me and vote for the following:
- Black Clover: @Arkenis
- Seven Deadly Sins:
- Incon:
- Close the Thread:
Okay before I do that, is this an actual approved upgrade or a upgrade trying to be pushed through that's still being debated?upgrade period is going