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Meliodas and Zeldris vs Asta and Yuno

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Smh… This is ridiculous.

Literally coercing debating others in conversations so I won’t see
 
Greatsage13th said:
He's in everyone's dmS actually. Everyone that is participating in this thread that is.
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Not everyone but i’m almost there

And it’s pretty positive i think


Arnoldstone18 said:
Smh… This is ridiculous.

Literally coercing debating others in conversations so I won’t see
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Not really It is mostly because We are not supposed to argue Here so as long as you don’t lie again cherry picking things out of the profiles ignoring What they say i won’t make other arguments answering yours
 
Makai64100 said:
Not really It is mostly because We are not supposed to argue Here so as long as you don’t lie again cherry picking things out of the profiles ignoring What they say i won’t make other arguments answering yours
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I do not appreciate these accusatoons.

I will not stand by and let you wank your characters so freely.

You’re creating too many contradictions in your own verse and covering it up with more claims. Some of the of the feats on their pages are blatantly wrong.

You are trying to change the outcome of this match by going into everyone’s dms to coerce them into changing their votes.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.

The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.

1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.

2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.

3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.




These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:

1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".

2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.

Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.

Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.

3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.


@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now. Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflection if it is true and it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.




SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID

Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.

Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.

Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.

Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.




So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
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Asta and Yuno FRA
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
I do not appreciate these accusatoons.

I will not stand by and let you wank your characters so freely.

You’re creating too many contradictions in your own verse and covering it up with more claims. Some of the of the feats on their pages are blatantly wrong.

You are trying to change the outcome of this match by going into everyone’s dms to coerce them into changing their votes.
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Went in 4 dms actually

Superstar didn’t answer
Greatsage
Azontr
Divine aura

I asked if help was needed or reasons why they voted for Asta and Yuno

Also I cited multiple parts of the profiles where you straight up invented shit
Like darkness being magical using a link that says it’s not
FC countering only magical attacks using the same link where it states otherwise
Danse of Avidia not being IR and precog (I answered with the profile)
Them flying using darkness with 0 magic being an outlier while I showed Grayroad derrierie and Melascula having darkness during their revival

Everything there was a mess and I just answered you
 
Makai64100 said:
Went in 4 dms actually

Superstar didn’t answer
Greatsage
Azontr
Divine aura

I asked if help was needed or reasons why they voted for Asta and Yuno

Also I cited multiple parts of the profiles where you straight up invented shit
Like darkness being magical using a link that says it’s not
FC countering only magical attacks using the same link where it states otherwise
Danse of Avidia not being IR and precog (I answered with the profile)
Them flying using darkness with 0 magic being an outlier while I showed Grayroad derrierie and Melascula having darkness during their revival

Everything there was a mess and I just answered you
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Asta and Yuno FRA
 
Why does hax potency against a character of a certain tier count as a disqualifer?

Because I'm seeing a counter to the miasma thing being that it affected Mountain level king? Does not make sense, since when was a hax potency dependent on attack potency?
 
Majinere566 said:
Why does hax potency against a character of a certain tier count as a disqualifer?

Because I'm seeing a counter to the miasma thing being that it affected Mountain level king? Does not make sense, since when was a hax potency dependent on attack potency?
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According to the page, miasma only works on weaker characters and it gave king as the strongest of the weaker character it affects. So Asta’s Anti Magic Skin and Yuno’ Mana Skin > King.
 
Majinere566 said:
Why does hax potency against a character of a certain tier count as a disqualifer?

Because I'm seeing a counter to the miasma thing being that it affected Mountain level king? Does not make sense, since when was a hax potency dependent on attack potency?
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I don’t think it’s how they argued it since i demonstrated how Elisabeth (High Archangel tier) need protection

They probably think Darkness is magical
Zel doesn’t have ranged IR and that Adaptation and precog would be enough despite ON

They Also probably think Yuno can use magic despite NE and God and God’s sealing

They also might think Danse of Avidia isn’t IR and Precog etc…

They Also seem to think NNT has no wincons following What Arnold said

Some of them agreed with him and disagreed with my points It is how it is

I foreshadowed it during the first page events 🥵
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
According to the page, miasma only works on weaker characters and it gave king as the strongest of the weaker character it affects. So Asta’s Anti Magic Skin and Yuno’ Mana Skin > King.
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I explained why it doesn’t necessarily work on weaker beings if you want you can read What i answered to you (The Elisabeth thing)

You can Also re read the part where you posted the layers and We concluded Yuno was getting nulled Also idk if it’ll help you but miasma isn’t What affected king it’s more the negative energy
 
Makai64100 said:
You already posted that Mitch😹
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